Why does God allow bad things to happen to good people?

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Xiam

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Why does God allow bad things to happen to good people?

He doesn't. We do.

An even better answer, God has absolutely no control over mans world.

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Absence removes him from culpability.

Elaborate?

I don't know if there is or was a God, or if he created this universe or life, but I get the distinct impression that we are alone. I don't think he's active in this world if ever he was.

very interesting, what makes you feel this way?

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Who is worth intervening for? Or rather, what are the requirements to be a good person?

You mean as in good people? I believe that this is one of the most fundamentally frustrating questions I have ever been faced with. I really don't know.

Wouldn't you need to know what a good person is to ask why God doesn't help good people? If there are no good people then the question following is already answered. You need to meet your prerequisites first!

In the eyes of God, so to say, does he not know who is ultimately good in nature and intent and who is not? Why does a human need to answer that if it's ultimately up to God? Logic-loop?

If all fall short of the Glory of God and God is Good then all fall short of Good therefore there are no Good people. Yes/No?

I guess so. But we all know there are good people with good intent. Take God out of the equation and the possibilities of goodness are boundless.

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Riviera de la Mancha

I leave it to God to have His own reasoning. Not really my business to justify stuff for Him.

Yeah, that's how it goes; human crimes like genocide are justified because God justified them which is somewhat like ... "I said so." Oh if only it worked in the realm of humans!

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Who is worth intervening for? Or rather, what are the requirements to be a good person?

You mean as in good people? I believe that this is one of the most fundamentally frustrating questions I have ever been faced with. I really don't know.

Wouldn't you need to know what a good person is to ask why God doesn't help good people? If there are no good people then the question following is already answered. You need to meet your prerequisites first!

In the eyes of God, so to say, does he not know who is ultimately good in nature and intent and who is not? Why does a human need to answer that if it's ultimately up to God? Logic-loop?

If all fall short of the Glory of God and God is Good then all fall short of Good therefore there are no Good people. Yes/No?

I guess so. But we all know there are good people with good intent. Take God out of the equation and the possibilities of goodness are boundless.

But Human Good is not measured by an absolute standard. God being Good makes an absolute standard. Basically God is Good and God is God and humans are not Good because they are not God.

[Xiam]

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A shorter possible answer:

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Why does God allow bad things to happen to good people?

He doesn't. We do.

An even better answer, God has absolutely no control over mans world.

Pretty much. Considering the ability for Free Will, any obstruction with our intentions is a violation of something already set in place. Most bad things are due to human action. Then we have natural disasters, which is really going to occur whether we're there or not - we just happen to settle in places where it occurs a lot. So it's not really something bad, it's just something unfortunate, likely caused by our species' inability to make good choices in settlement.

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Xiam

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A shorter possible answer:

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Why does God allow bad things to happen to good people?

He doesn't. We do.

An even better answer, God has absolutely no control over mans world.

Pretty much. Considering the ability for Free Will, any obstruction with our intentions is a violation of something already set in place. Most bad things are due to human action. Then we have natural disasters, which is really going to occur whether we're there or not - we just happen to settle in places where it occurs a lot. So it's not really something bad, it's just something unfortunate, likely caused by our species' inability to make good choices in settlement.

Sure okay then. But that does not justify goodness or badness. Nor does this explain why God has any involvement in these things.

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Brandan J Cromartie

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Brandan J Cromartie

Wouldn't you need to know what a good person is to ask why God doesn't help good people? If there are no good people then the question following is already answered. You need to meet your prerequisites first!

In the eyes of God, so to say, does he not know who is ultimately good in nature and intent and who is not? Why does a human need to answer that if it's ultimately up to God? Logic-loop?

If all fall short of the Glory of God and God is Good then all fall short of Good therefore there are no Good people. Yes/No?

I guess so. But we all know there are good people with good intent. Take God out of the equation and the possibilities of goodness are boundless.

But Human Good is not measured by an absolute standard. God being Good makes an absolute standard. Basically God is Good and God is God and humans are not Good because they are not God.

Logic-loop, mind ********, cluster ********, point valid. However... surprised

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Wouldn't you need to know what a good person is to ask why God doesn't help good people? If there are no good people then the question following is already answered. You need to meet your prerequisites first!

In the eyes of God, so to say, does he not know who is ultimately good in nature and intent and who is not? Why does a human need to answer that if it's ultimately up to God? Logic-loop?

If all fall short of the Glory of God and God is Good then all fall short of Good therefore there are no Good people. Yes/No?

I guess so. But we all know there are good people with good intent. Take God out of the equation and the possibilities of goodness are boundless.

But Human Good is not measured by an absolute standard. God being Good makes an absolute standard. Basically God is Good and God is God and humans are not Good because they are not God.

Logic-loop, mind ********, cluster ********, point valid. However... surprised

Hey, we just solved an age-old mystery. Ironically it's not actually a fallacy either! It's real solid genuine logic! We win!

There is no loop!

[Xiam]

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Xiam

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Xiam

A shorter possible answer:

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Why does God allow bad things to happen to good people?

He doesn't. We do.

An even better answer, God has absolutely no control over mans world.

Pretty much. Considering the ability for Free Will, any obstruction with our intentions is a violation of something already set in place. Most bad things are due to human action. Then we have natural disasters, which is really going to occur whether we're there or not - we just happen to settle in places where it occurs a lot. So it's not really something bad, it's just something unfortunate, likely caused by our species' inability to make good choices in settlement.

Sure okay then. But that does not justify goodness or badness. Nor does this explain why God has any involvement in these things.

I never said it justified it. I also never said God had any involvement. Hell, for that last one, I said the opposite, didn't I...?

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Brandan J Cromartie

Riviera de la Mancha

I leave it to God to have His own reasoning. Not really my business to justify stuff for Him.

Yeah, that's how it goes; human crimes like genocide are justified because God justified them which is somewhat like ... "I said so." Oh if only it worked in the realm of humans!

Slow your roll there- I never claimed God justified anything like genocide.

[Jorgunmandr]

Riviera de la Mancha

Brandan J Cromartie

Riviera de la Mancha

I leave it to God to have His own reasoning. Not really my business to justify stuff for Him.

Yeah, that's how it goes; human crimes like genocide are justified because God justified them which is somewhat like ... "I said so." Oh if only it worked in the realm of humans!

Slow your roll there- I never claimed God justified anything like genocide.

No, but you did claim that God could. That's the problem; God wanders around unchecked. Let's say that God wills for one reason or another a Tsunami tomorrow that wipes out an entire 3rd of India. Is this okay? Yes. Why? God did it. Why did he do that? Because he did. He has his reasons.

Oh. Like Noah and his story? Yes. Like Noah and his story.

Ouch.

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If all fall short of the Glory of God and God is Good then all fall short of Good therefore there are no Good people. Yes/No?

I guess so. But we all know there are good people with good intent. Take God out of the equation and the possibilities of goodness are boundless.

But Human Good is not measured by an absolute standard. God being Good makes an absolute standard. Basically God is Good and God is God and humans are not Good because they are not God.

Logic-loop, mind ********, cluster ********, point valid. However... surprised

Hey, we just solved an age-old mystery. Ironically it's not actually a fallacy either! It's real solid genuine logic! We win!

There is no loop!

We indeed do win. I never thought this moment could feel so, GOOD!!!! We should savor this moment of victory! heart blaugh mrgreen

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Xiam

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Xiam

A shorter possible answer:

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Why does God allow bad things to happen to good people?

He doesn't. We do.

An even better answer, God has absolutely no control over mans world.

Pretty much. Considering the ability for Free Will, any obstruction with our intentions is a violation of something already set in place. Most bad things are due to human action. Then we have natural disasters, which is really going to occur whether we're there or not - we just happen to settle in places where it occurs a lot. So it's not really something bad, it's just something unfortunate, likely caused by our species' inability to make good choices in settlement.

Sure okay then. But that does not justify goodness or badness. Nor does this explain why God has any involvement in these things.

I never said it justified it. I also never said God had any involvement. Hell, for that last one, I said the opposite, didn't I...?

Yup, good job!

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very interesting, what makes you feel this way?

Well I have two conceptions of God, the Christian viewpoint, and my own more general idea of what could exist and be construed as God. If you mean the Christian God, then I would say that if he is truly a loving God then he must not be active in this world to allow tragedy, or perhaps he is not a loving God at all.

As for the more general idea... I don't really know if I have a reason. More of an impression.