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Kelevra Black
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God said do not eat of the tree of life, Eve even said it. Btw, its an author who wrote Genesis, not authors.
None of that changes the fact that God lied, tried to withhold knowledge, and then punished the entire human race for something that Adam and Eve did before they had any knowledge of Good and Evil. They did not know they were sinning...
If God did not want him to eat of the tree, he should not have placed it there.
God set them up to fail by placing it there and not giving them the intellectual or moral foundation to make moral judgments based on what he had said, and the contradictory statement the serpent had said.
When they did fail, God should have taught them that what they did was wrong.
But that imposes the question, "Why was it wrong?"
At the end of the day, God lied, not the serpent.
God cursed the entire human race for something two people did, and he didn't get his way.
He threw a temper tantrum...
The serpent exposed his lie and told Eve the truth.
And God is supposed to be the good one?
If you believe that, you're brainwashed.
Lied about what? That they would die?
The payment of sin is death But Adam and Eve didn't die straightaway because of His Mercy. (He delayed the payment by killing a lamb as a symbol of what he would do later on) Then Jesus died on the cross to fulfill the payment. Also... http://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/BQA/k/257/Did-God-Lie-Adam-Eve-Genesis-217.htm
He set them up huh? I can't tell you how many times I Used this illustration but here it goes...
Little johnny's father sets a cookie in the cookie jar. The father tells little johnny NOT to eat the cookie or else he would get a beating. The father knows little johnny loves cookies. Little johnny nods. Little johnny waits for his dad to leave the kitchen. When it looked clear, little johnny took the cookie and ate it. When the father came back, he saw guilt on little johnny's face. Also, he noticed the cookie was missing...
Now, who was at fault? The father or little johnny? And why? And what do you think the consequence was?
Also, this will basically sum it up...
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110812130607AAqIF8T
Although I. Don't agree about the part about christ's sacrafice not covering the sins of adam and eve.
Nope, I'm not brainwashed. Lol :l
Okay. I can see how your illustration is similar, but it isn't the same.
Let's fix it up so the comparison is a little closer.
Little Johnny's father sets a cookie in the cookie jar. The father tells little Johnny NOT to eat the cookie or else he'll DIE. The father knows little Johnny loves cookies. Little Johnny nods. Once Little Johnny's father leaves the kitchen, in comes little Johnny's mother, who then tells Little Johnny that he CAN have the cookie, and that he won't DIE if he eats it.
Little Johnny currently has no knowledge of good or evil, nor has he ever been in this situation before, thus he is not equipped in terms of intellect or experience to make a moral judgment about the contradiction between what his father and mother are saying about what will happen if he eats the cookie.
Johnny chooses to eat the cookie. When his father comes back, Johnny admits truthfully to eating the cookie, and then God doesn't kill Johnny, Johnny doesn't die at all...
Now, Little Johnny can only be held accountable to a certain degree, since he never had to deal with a situation like this before. The rational thing to do would be for Johnny's father to have a talk with his mother, who was the one that actually put little Johnny in this situation where he could have the cookie by telling him he would not die for eating it.
It is actually the mother who should be held responsible for this. But given that she actually told the truth, since Little Johnny went on to live another 900 years, it should be the Father who changes his ways, since he lied to the child to begin with.
But let us humor you and assume that the father is still in the right... Why not just educate Little Johnny on why what he did was wrong? Is that not the patient and loving thing to do?
Instead, Little Johnny's father not only punishes Little Johnny, but he punishes Little Johnny's kids, and their kids, and their kids, and their kids, and their kids, and their kids, and their kids... And so on.
God lied about what would happen if Adam and Eve ate the apple.
He said they would die the day they ate the apple.
They didn't...
God lied.
You seem to b brainwashed, believing that God is always good, even if we can't understand it. Which is just plain ridiculous and it a very obvious demonstration of something called "special pleading."
It's a lot like saying:
"God did a few good things, therefor anything he does is good, even the stuff we might see as bad. All those people he killed when he flooded the Earth, the child he slowly murdered over a period of seven days because David seduced Bathsheba, killing the first born of Egypt (from the Pharaoh's first born to the first born of the slave at the mill, despite the fact that it was the Pharaoh that said no), all of that must have been good too. We couldn't possibly understand God's mind, but we can definitely understand when he does good, but when he does something bad, we just don't understand."
If you believe that a person can not know God's mind, but believe they can recognize when he does good, but his acts of evil are simply misunderstood... You are brainwashed.
God is not good.
God lied to the first humans.
Punished children for the sins of others.
Killed almost all the human race...
I feel like you didn't read my essay at all.
I feel like you maybe read the first couple paragraphs and then skipped over the rest and jumped straight into your reply. I addressed all of this pretty thoroughly.
