What has God done for you...

[Kimihiro_Watanuki]

Cyrus the Elder

Why should they keep out of political affairs?

I'll say it again: If you do not support the government, you have no business stick your nose in it's affairs and trying to sway it to your position. Each individual of an organization supporting a stance as individuals is fine. But rallying behind the banner of an organization that bitches about how the government shouldn't impose taxes on it because of, you guessed it, separation of church and state, all of a sudden ignore that very principle as soon as they feel they need a political voice.

[Lucky~9~Lives]

Kimihiro_Watanuki

I'll say it again: If you do not support the government, you have no business stick your nose in it's affairs and trying to sway it to your position.

Anyone opposed to the government has no right to involve themselves in politics and try to gain popular support?
- neutral

[Kimihiro_Watanuki]

Lucky~9~Lives

Kimihiro_Watanuki

I'll say it again: If you do not support the government, you have no business stick your nose in it's affairs and trying to sway it to your position.

Anyone opposed to the government has no right to involve themselves in politics and try to gain popular support?
- neutral

Wrong. Anyone NOT SUPPORTING (lern 2 reed) the government has no business trying to influence the way that government is run. Revolt is a completely different thing. These churches are not revolting. They are attempting to use methods set up by the government in an attempt to impose their religious morals onto the entire nation.

[Cyrus the Elder]

Kimihiro_Watanuki

Cyrus the Elder

Why should they keep out of political affairs?

I'll say it again: If you do not support the government, you have no business stick your nose in it's affairs and trying to sway it to your position. Each individual of an organization supporting a stance as individuals is fine. But rallying behind the banner of an organization that bitches about how the government shouldn't impose taxes on it because of, you guessed it, separation of church and state, all of a sudden ignore that very principle as soon as they feel they need a political voice.

First off, again, why not? You keep spouting the same s**t repeatedly without any form of foundation, your proof via assertion is unwelcome here.

Also, you're yet to adequately show that churches do not pay taxes because of separation of church and state, as opposed to not paying taxes because they're non-profit entities in the eyes of the law.

Edit: And, on top of that, you are yet to show that this corruption is "inherent" to churches because of this.

[Cyrus the Elder]

Kimihiro_Watanuki

Wrong. Anyone NOT SUPPORTING (lern 2 reed) the government has no business trying to influence the way that government is run.

Why not? I don't support my neighbors, but if I found out they were waterboarding their daughter on a daily basis, I'd likely call child protective services with the intent of "influencing" how their family is run. I see no reason as to why government should be different.

And on top of that, the individuals are still supporting the government, why do they need to support it doubly if they choose to form as a non-profit group? It'd be great if you could answer this one without simply repeating that they shouldn't this time.

[Lucky~9~Lives]

Kimihiro_Watanuki

Wrong. Anyone NOT SUPPORTING (lern 2 reed) the government has no business trying to influence the way that government is run.

WTF? Labour is in power, so the Conservatives have no business trying to influence British politics?

[Kimihiro_Watanuki]

Lucky~9~Lives

Kimihiro_Watanuki

Wrong. Anyone NOT SUPPORTING (lern 2 reed) the government has no business trying to influence the way that government is run.

WTF? Labour is in power, so the Conservatives have no business trying to influence British politics?

If those conservatives don't pay British taxes and still rally behind the banner of Conservatives. How hard is it to rally for a cause as yourself rather than as a label?

[Kimihiro_Watanuki]

Cyrus the Elder

Why not?

I've already said it. The why is "this organization is not supporting the government".

Cyrus the Elder

And on top of that, the individuals are still supporting the government, why do they need to support it doubly if they choose to form as a non-profit group?

It is not about forming a group. It is about rallying behind the banner of that group. YOU support the government, thus YOU get a say in politics. Your ORGANIZATION does not support the government and thus it should have no say. Why? Because it isn't supporting the government. It has no stake in it.

It's like trying to influence the policies of a free-market corporation when you're not even a stock holder.

[froggymama89]

Kimihiro_Watanuki

Cyrus the Elder

Why not?

I've already said it. The why is "this organization is not supporting the government".

Cyrus the Elder

And on top of that, the individuals are still supporting the government, why do they need to support it doubly if they choose to form as a non-profit group?

It is not about forming a group. It is about rallying behind the banner of that group. YOU support the government, thus YOU get a say in politics. Your ORGANIZATION does not support the government and thus it should have no say. Why? Because it isn't supporting the government. It has no stake in it.

It's like trying to influence the policies of a free-market corporation when you're not even a stock holder.

But I'm a consumer and the customer service was terrible so I'm going to complain to management and hope he is reprimanded. The same goes for these organizations. While they do not pay taxes they are effected by government policy and have right to speak out when they don't agree with the process. In the state of Tx schools are funded solely by property tax. I do not own my own home and therefore do not pay property tax does this mean I have no right to join the local PTA and complain about the elimination of the art program? I do not support the school finacially. Just like complaining to the manager may not result in anything happening a non-profit speaking out about something may not make anything happen. Also in the US political parties are non-profit. So under your logic they shouldn't run candidates...oh wait if they did that our government would collapse.

[Lucky~9~Lives]

Kimihiro_Watanuki

Lucky~9~Lives

Kimihiro_Watanuki

Wrong. Anyone NOT SUPPORTING (lern 2 reed) the government has no business trying to influence the way that government is run.

WTF? Labour is in power, so the Conservatives have no business trying to influence British politics?

If those conservatives don't pay British taxes and still rally behind the banner of Conservatives.

One doesn't support the government merely because one pays taxes - that just means one supports self-preservation. The Conservatives don't support Labour, ergo your reasoning is nuts.

Kimihiro_Watanuki

How hard is it to rally for a cause as yourself rather than as a label?

Dunno - maybe I answered it already?

[Math145 Kane]

Kimihiro_Watanuki

Cyrus the Elder

Why should they keep out of political affairs?

I'll say it again: If you do not support the government, you have no business stick your nose in it's affairs and trying to sway it to your position. Each individual of an organization supporting a stance as individuals is fine. But rallying behind the banner of an organization that bitches about how the government shouldn't impose taxes on it because of, you guessed it, separation of church and state, all of a sudden ignore that very principle as soon as they feel they need a political voice.

People who generally support the government don't usually want to sway it to their ideals, because the government is most likely working their way, which is why they're supporting the government.

[Math145 Kane]

Oh and God has lead me to not fall for any religious beliefs.

[froggymama89]

xLady Tsukiyox

froggymama89

Kimihiro_Watanuki

Cyrus the Elder

Why not?

I've already said it. The why is "this organization is not supporting the government".

Cyrus the Elder

And on top of that, the individuals are still supporting the government, why do they need to support it doubly if they choose to form as a non-profit group?

It is not about forming a group. It is about rallying behind the banner of that group. YOU support the government, thus YOU get a say in politics. Your ORGANIZATION does not support the government and thus it should have no say. Why? Because it isn't supporting the government. It has no stake in it.

It's like trying to influence the policies of a free-market corporation when you're not even a stock holder.

But I'm a consumer and the customer service was terrible so I'm going to complain to management and hope he is reprimanded. The same goes for these organizations. While they do not pay taxes they are effected by government policy and have right to speak out when they don't agree with the process. In the state of Tx schools are funded solely by property tax. I do not own my own home and therefore do not pay property tax does this mean I have no right to join the local PTA and complain about the elimination of the art program? I do not support the school finacially. Just like complaining to the manager may not result in anything happening a non-profit speaking out about something may not make anything happen. Also in the US political parties are non-profit. So under your logic they shouldn't run candidates...oh wait if they did that our government would collapse.

You have proof that Texas schools are paid via property tax, cause I've never heard of this.

(I live in Texas, been here for 9 years almost 10, I've never heard of this)

I've lived here all my life. In school they told us to make sure are parents pay property tax so we can go next year. Also I'm taking texas government and it's in the textbook. Actually most states support their school based on property tax. just very few support their schools with just property tax.

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