Verbal abuse is good for you

[Lesser Tile]

Hello, everyone. It's "Don't think like everyone else." time again, with your humble host Lesser Tile.

Today I want to talk about forbidden words and phrases like "Shut up, you stupid c**t." or "******** off!". Due to the global-wide internet faggotry, you'd have to find the darkest places on the internet, to be able to say these things without getting thrown out. It's even illegal in some countries.
Still, in the absence of abuse, has the world become a better place? I argue that it hasn't.

I argue that in the absence of abuse, stupidity has been allowed to run rampant. If you see somebody saying "omfg i love mah toes I LOVE MAH TOOOOOOOOEEEES LOVE TOES TOES TOOOOOEEEEEES wassup" you are no longer allowed to respond "Shut the ******** up you retard, and piss off and die.". Would this be IRL, you'd naturally smack the ******** upside the head, but as you can't do that on the internet, this is where all these misfits seek refuge. Sure, there are dividers on Gaia between all sorts of retards, but I argue that this retardation can be CURED by abuse. If I go "******** off!" to a retard, then this might actually kickstart some dormant thinking process in his/her head, kind of like a slap marks that you're not thinking hard enough.

...so I argue that we should bring back the right to be abusive. We could reserve sections for retards who don't want to think ever again, because I guess that that's their right, but on the main sites we should be allowed to be able to abuse retards for their own good.

[TANRailgun]

As far as I'm concerned, the internet is the wild west, and should remain so.

I have no problem with telling people to ******** off when they're being stupid, or trolling, but I don't go out of my way to make them feel like s**t. I don't do that IRL either, unless someone REALLY pisses me off, but in that instance it matters little if they are standing in front of me or on the other side of the world talking to me through ones and zeros.

I think most places (like Gaia) are fine with telling people off, just not with being a malicious a*****e, and I'm cool with that kinda fuzzy line to tell you the truth.

[m4sshyst3ri4]

I disagree. Verbal abuse in no way is a teaching aid. It can alter behavior some, the same way an electrode alters the behavior of a rat trying to learn that he has to press the button before he gets the cheese.

The "cure" to online keyboard spasms is firmer rules and regulations. If we all went around cursing people out for saying things that we think are "retarded" there would be nothing but huge pages of cursing.

Curse words are only curse words because we make them curse words. People think negatively about these words so they are banned, there will be more and more added to them as time goes on.

[stealthmongoose]

I wouldn't say regulation or tolerance is the key so much as information. If you inform the person with a warning as to why they're bothering you, then you are free to respond in whatever way guides your behavior so long as you realize that you have informed them of it first.

To not do so is to claim ascension over another person by virtue of their social behavior, which is folly absent of suffering.

[Lesser Tile]

stealthmongoose

I wouldn't say regulation or tolerance is the key so much as information. If you inform the person with a warning as to why they're bothering you, then you are free to respond in whatever way guides your behavior so long as you realize that you have informed them of it first.

To not do so is to claim ascension over another person by virtue of their social behavior, which is folly absent of suffering.

It sounds really weird, but I'll actually try that. I don't expect it to give any results, though, but I'll be fun to see what hapens.

However, what's this about "claiming ascension" being folly? Yes, they have some form of feelings too, but there's where the similarities end. I imagine people dragging internet cables into the heart of the Congo when I read some of these posts, but these savages are probably more likely to be from some rural outskirt of London. Still, they're savages, and I'm a whole civilization above them.

[kuriheartsyou]

m4sshyst3ri4

I disagree. Verbal abuse in no way is a teaching aid. It can alter behavior some, the same way an electrode alters the behavior of a rat trying to learn that he has to press the button before he gets the cheese.

This.

[Lesser Tile]

kuriheartsyou

m4sshyst3ri4

I disagree. Verbal abuse in no way is a teaching aid. It can alter behavior some, the same way an electrode alters the behavior of a rat trying to learn that he has to press the button before he gets the cheese.

This.

...and what is wrong with altering a behavior?

[GunsmithKitten]

Lesser Tile

...so I argue that we should bring back the right to be abusive.

I'm fine with that.

But the abusers better be ready to get as good as they give.

Sound alright?

[Lesser Tile]

GunsmithKitten

Lesser Tile

...so I argue that we should bring back the right to be abusive.

I'm fine with that.

But the abusers better be ready to get as good as they give.

Sound alright?

You mean you're going to tell me to ******** off too? I'm fine with that, but your problem isn't me, but Gaias rules.

[m4sshyst3ri4]

Lesser Tile

kuriheartsyou

m4sshyst3ri4

I disagree. Verbal abuse in no way is a teaching aid. It can alter behavior some, the same way an electrode alters the behavior of a rat trying to learn that he has to press the button before he gets the cheese.

This.

...and what is wrong with altering a behavior?

Altering isn't teaching. Altering implies that you yourself changed it and in the future there won't be such changes. So you cursed someone out to "teach" them that what they said or did was wrong, however all you've really done is fill the beloved internet with more garbage and will continue to do so since they person didn't learn anything other than they can excite you easily.

[Lesser Tile]

m4sshyst3ri4

Lesser Tile

kuriheartsyou

m4sshyst3ri4

I disagree. Verbal abuse in no way is a teaching aid. It can alter behavior some, the same way an electrode alters the behavior of a rat trying to learn that he has to press the button before he gets the cheese.

This.

...and what is wrong with altering a behavior?

Altering isn't teaching. Altering implies that you yourself changed it and in the future there won't be such changes. So you cursed someone out to "teach" them that what they said or did was wrong, however all you've really done is fill the beloved internet with more garbage and will continue to do so since they person didn't learn anything other than they can excite you easily.

Sometimes teaching somebody that they're nothing to somebody, can put things into perspective, like so:
"Do you want to know what grows between my toes?"
"******** off."
"Oh, I guess I'm not that special then. I will refrain from asking equally stupid questions in the future."

[m4sshyst3ri4]

Quote:

Sometimes teaching somebody that they're nothing to somebody, can put things into perspective, like so:
"Do you want to know what grows between my toes?"
"******** off."
"Oh, I guess I'm not that special then. I will refrain from asking equally stupid questions in the future."

Or the more likely reply:

"******** you"

Which of course brings a negative reply from you starting a chain of bad replies. Nothing learned, nothing fixed, nothing even altered save for the posts that will have to be deleted for vulgarity and spam.

[Inorei]

it's all in the way you say it. with those things banned you have to be more creative to get your rage across the wires. XD

also you say you don't want everyone to think the same but it sounds like you're expecting everyone to react to abuse in a similar way...

[Lesser Tile]

m4sshyst3ri4

Quote:

Sometimes teaching somebody that they're nothing to somebody, can put things into perspective, like so:
"Do you want to know what grows between my toes?"
"******** off."
"Oh, I guess I'm not that special then. I will refrain from asking equally stupid questions in the future."

Or the more likely reply:

"******** you"

Which of course brings a negative reply from you starting a chain of bad replies. Nothing learned, nothing fixed, nothing even altered save for the posts that will have to be deleted for vulgarity and spam.

I don't think that people respond "******** you." to "******** off.", but we're arguing a scenario where vulgarity is allowed, and "******** off." is acknowledged as an opinion.

[Kiumaru]

That doesn't really address the problem. You're only trying to mask the problem by having them shut up. It doesn't make them any less "stupid".