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- Posted: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:08:11 +0000
1. Just pointing out, any religion holds no candle to Atheism.
As is your opinion.
2. Obviously as a parent you are going to help out. Still, the younger the better. Not many people are able to see their morals change over the time they age. Instead, you are given all you need at a young age anyway, with treats of eternal punishment on top... Later you may change faiths, adopting a new moral code, later in life. Still, when should someone pick their moral code... 18, 21, 35 maybe? When they have already lived with one for the better part of there life. When dose someone reach worthiness to control the content of their own mind, in your eyes? Just because our mind is located inside our skull, dose not mean we should subject children to moral bondage. With give or take 80,000 years if evolution under their belt... I think my children will be smart enough to manage. As will your children, weather or not you think so.
One can teach a moral code to a child and then later, at an age where the child understands such things, tell them that they are free to choose their own moral code to follow. Also, I see nothing wrong with someone picking their moral "code" at or around the age of 18, whenever they've matured internally to being an adult (not the legal definition of adult, either). Would you let your 12 or 13 year old marry? Would you let her have sex freely with older boys? If the answer is no, then why would you say "do whatever you want morally, its your choice?" If the answer is yes then I pity your children.
What I'm saying is that its very possible to "enforce" a moral code that allows you to teach your children how to be functioning human beings in the current society without making them feel "trapped" or threatened with "eternal punishment."
3. It's more or less nitpicking, I understand that their are plenty of things wrong with education. It's more of a pet-peeve of mine. Imagine walking into a classroom. The things you are being though go against what you have know for your whole life. You feel both wonder and fear as the knowledge you hold may be wrong, the new and the old. You look over at the teacher speaking these words... They can relate... Something about that always bothered me.
And the child that grew up in a religious home and has atheism and Evolution rammed into his or her brain doesn't feel the same way? You are quite obviously a narcissistic ego-centrist. You're the same as the religious whack-jobs that blow themselves up because they feel their religion is the only way to go. Broaden your mind and try thinking of other people that aren't in your own situation you a**.
4. Not everyone has an up-to-date bible. It also doesn't help that sermons tend to use the same passages year round, so the bible could be Much shorter. People pledge allegiance to their holy text just as firmly as they pledge to their god. Changing text is like changing the word of god. Many I've met consider it an insult and stick to their old(er) text. Only dose who argue on behalf of god (and preach) pick the book that best suit their goal.
You're honestly going to argue that? This may be the way you see it, but it is NOT truth. Haven't you ever heard the term "hypocrite." Trust me, there are plenty of Christians that say its "an insult" to change the word of God but then change it anyway, justifying it in whatever way they can. I grew up amongst Christians and in a Christian family, so pardon me but I have more of a grasp on just how much change has been made in the Christian dogma over the centuries. From the way you talk you have only an outsider's perspective, and things always look different from the outside. Think of looking through the surface of a pool and they way the light refracts, its the same concept. You have to go underwater (or do some geometric calculations, in which case you're opening your mind) to really know exactly where something is underwater. Same thing with looking through the "surface" of any religion.
I'm a penguin.
This is the only comment I choose to dignify this statement with.
5. Oh, I like conflict to much to agree with that. Not a bad way to live, but clearly not my way. (I submit this topic as evidence ^.^)
You have problems getting along with others don't you? This is exactly what I meant about teaching children morals at a young age. You're the kid that got "Doesn't play well with others" on his kindergarten report card. I've been there myself and I DID get a religious moral system shoved down my throat, but when I got older I realized how foolish my actions were and regretted them.
I still like argument and debate, but at least I'm smart enough to realize that if another person raises valid points maybe I need to reevaluate my own or at least examine said information in more detail with an open mind.
6. Agreed, I do not deny what I am. Still, their were quite a few Atheists early in this topic's creation who agreed that I was an a**. Somewhat debunks your statement, but still applies to me. Although, It couldn't hurt to be alot more intelligent.
At least you can admit it.
I wasn't saying all atheists are like you, but a sadly large number of them are, at least in my personal experiences.
Oh, and I hope you realize you're exactly the same as the gnostic Chritians and Muslims you're complaining about.