The Bible; Of God, Or Men?

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[xLady Tsukiyox]

Aegair

xLady Tsukiyox

ferret658

You are just looking for someone to attack. It's not going to be me anymore. Have fun without a target.

None of us have called you an idiot, stupid, dumb, said your mother is fat, etc. All of these are attacks. However your arguements are what we're "attacking" so to speak. You make countless claims and have no evidence to back a single one up. You also don't have an understanding of science. If you did then you would know that the Big Bang Theory was created by a Catholic priest and that many Christians have contributed to science.

I dislike intellectually dishonest people regardless of their religion, race, sexual orientation, age, or country of origin. If you don't want people to attack your arguments then back up your claims and do some bloody research..

*Coughs* Read Kimaru's post, he was claiming the Bible accurately portrayed scientific facts that weren't even 'around' until recent centuries.

I did. Still. The point of the matter is, she doesn't know what she's ultimately talking about. I mean she claims Zeus is "made-up" and gives no proof. That's ultimately what I was getting at.

[Sins of the World]

world inside

Recently, I've noticed a few people saying a few things about the Bible.

1. It was written by men, and therefore is not credible.
2. Much of the Bible is Fiction, where pre-modern men try to explain what they don't understand.
3. Any who take the Bible's words to heart are simply stupid for the above stated reasons.
4. The Bible does not prove that there is a God.

I'm sure there are countless other views on the Bible (Care to add to that list up there?), so what I am wondering is if anyone can give me logical reasoning as to why the Bible is or is not a credible source from which to base our faith or belief in a God.

--Please try to explain your reasoning or ideals, because I'm going to respond to every reply I receive and I'd like to be able to at least understand what you're saying.--

The fact that the original text was not written in English and many things were lost i translation. So you can not logically call the bible of today the word of god, because man has translated it and Mankind has a this tendency to get things wrong. YAY FOR HUMAN ERROR!!!!

[Zika Justice]

1. It was written by men, and therefore is not credible.
It is true that it was written by men BUT every book in the bible from Genesis to Revelation was written by the men who were witness to the happenings, to deny what is written in the bible is like denying whatever a history book. For example, you keep a diary of all the major world events that are happening now, 1000 years from now, people find your diary and read it, THEIR finishing response could be something like, "This source is unreliable! I don't believe that people thought that the world would end in the year 2000 or that the twin towers were crashed in to!"
If they don't want to believe it, that's their choice but the bible is not only a reliable source of what happened 2000 years ago but it is also a guideline.
I've noticed that most of the people who don't read the bible or choose not to believe in God are slowly losing all their morals and the gap between good and bad is widening.

2. Much of the Bible is Fiction, where pre-modern men try to explain what they don't understand.
If you don't wish to read the bible or believe what is written in it, there are perfectly good non-Christian history books that say that Jesus lived and was crucified on the cross (a Roman punishment).
It doesn't say that he was the son of man in those history books but you can find more detailed stories in the bible and it all matches up with whatever you can find in the history books.

3. Any who take the Bible's words to heart are simply stupid for the above stated reasons
To call the people who believe stupid is your own choice, there's nothing anyone can do about what you think and there's not many people who care.
Though I personally think that people are stupid for NOT taking it to heart, to know God is a feeling than ANY other pleasure in the entire world and not many people can understand that besides His people.

4. The Bible does not prove that there is a God.
The bible is a rulebook, it's a guideline to life, it contains all the laws that you should follow if you wish to live a long and prosperous life. To say that the bible does not prove that there is a God is the same as saying that making this thread doesn't prove that you exist...

[sukiedo]

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1. It was written by men, and therefore is not credible.

I think it's obvious that the Bible was written by man, but that doesn't make it inherently incredible, whether you believe in its stories and teachings or not.

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2. Much of the Bible is Fiction, where pre-modern men try to explain what they don't understand.

I agree. I don't believe that the Bible is meant to be taken literally - I see it as a book of parables and myths meant to explain existence and to help mankind live a better life. Whether I believe that it achieves that objective is another story.

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3. Any who take the Bible's words to heart are simply stupid for the above stated reasons.

Now, of course not - that's just a confrontational statement. I personally would never call somebody stupid because of their religious beliefs. I don't think there's anything stupid about wanting to live a good life based on Biblical teachings - as long as it's not taken too far or too literally.

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4. The Bible does not prove that there is a God.

Such a God is inherently unprovable - isn't part of the point of faith that you believe even though your beliefs are not tangibly provable?

[Gho the Girl]

world inside

1. It was written by men, and therefore is not credible.

Guess what else is written by man?

The Constitution.
The Law.
The Bill of Rights.

Obviously, these things are not credible, and should be discarded.

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2. Much of the Bible is Fiction, where pre-modern men try to explain what they don't understand.

Prove that please.

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3. Any who take the Bible's words to heart are simply stupid for the above stated reasons.

Do you believe that darkies are people? That gays should have rights? That women are as worthy as men?

These are all ideas that were written by men. They were based on the fictatious and the real, just as you claim the Bible was.

So therefore these things must be stupid as well.

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4. The Bible does not prove that there is a God.

HOLY s**t NO WAI REALLY?

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I'm sure there are countless other views on the Bible (Care to add to that list up there?), so what I am wondering is if anyone can give me logical reasoning as to why the Bible is or is not a credible source from which to base our faith or belief in a God.

--Please try to explain your reasoning or ideals, because I'm going to respond to every reply I receive and I'd like to be able to at least understand what you're saying.--

Here, lemme give you some reasoning that's about as qualitative as the stuff you gave.

What you wrote is stupid, written by a person and is therefore made of fail, and so why don't you agree with me already?

[Kiumaru]

Gho the Girl

Here, lemme give you some reasoning that's about as qualitative as the stuff you gave.

What you wrote is stupid, written by a person and is therefore made of fail, and so why don't you agree with me already?

But what you wrote is also written by a person and is thus not credible. This as well. My gosh, we've run into a credibility conundrum.

Anyway, I'm guessing that the assumption being presented is that the Bible was written by man and man is fallible, thus making the Bible fallible as well. Of course, not everything made by men is fallible. But the fact that such a book seems to be filled with incredible stuff that could be categorized along with the rest of mythology.

[Gho the Girl]

Kiumaru

Gho the Girl

Here, lemme give you some reasoning that's about as qualitative as the stuff you gave.

What you wrote is stupid, written by a person and is therefore made of fail, and so why don't you agree with me already?

But what you wrote is also written by a person and is thus not credible. This as well. My gosh, we've run into a credibility conundrum.

Anyway, I'm guessing that the assumption being presented is that the Bible was written by man and man is fallible, thus making the Bible fallible as well. Of course, not everything made by men is fallible. But the fact that such a book seems to be filled with incredible stuff that could be categorized along with the rest of mythology.

There's a difference between saying it's fallible and saying it's non-credible.

Doctors are humans, and thus, are fallible. Are they a credible source to go to for medical treatment? Yes, yes they are, even if they do make mistakes from time to time.

See the difference?

[Gho the Girl]

Also, do tell, what has man made that isn't fallible?

[Kiumaru]

Gho the Girl

There's a difference between saying it's fallible and saying it's non-credible.

Doctors are humans, and thus, are fallible. Are they a credible source to go to for medical treatment? Yes, yes they are, even if they do make mistakes from time to time.

See the difference?

Yes, I do see the difference. I was a bit too hasty and I must concede that there is a difference between credibility and fallibility. Another thing to note, however, is that the OP did not state that those positions were her own. Merely that they are among some of the stuff said about the Bible. Thus, your ad hominem was doubly unfounded. 1) For being a fallacy, 2) For being aimed at the wrong person. I would suggest you stay away from insulting people.

Anyway, that would still leave the problem that the Bible is fallible because it was written (as well as translated and interpreted by humans).

[echoing8whisper]

world inside

Recently, I've noticed a few people saying a few things about the Bible.

1. It was written by men, and therefore is not credible.
2. Much of the Bible is Fiction, where pre-modern men try to explain what they don't understand.
3. Any who take the Bible's words to heart are simply stupid for the above stated reasons.
4. The Bible does not prove that there is a God.

I'm sure there are countless other views on the Bible (Care to add to that list up there?), so what I am wondering is if anyone can give me logical reasoning as to why the Bible is or is not a credible source from which to base our faith or belief in a God.

--Please try to explain your reasoning or ideals, because I'm going to respond to every reply I receive and I'd like to be able to at least understand what you're saying.--

Reasons why??

- For starters - The true texts are in fragments -
- Many of the same texts often don't agree in word usage.
- There are fragments and pieces of the books in the bible that were lost over time (and replaced with "[....]"
- Many different books exist that weren't canonized because they were seen as "too mystical" or "contradicting" or "an abomination to our current world order"
- The translations of the Bible are - as i said TRANSLATIONS. Translations are extremely fallible-- especially the translations coming from dead languages.
- then you have bullshit like the NIV - translations of translations.
- Many books (for example Revalation) were written in a time where Christianity was an abomination to the Gods, and thus were written in a code - that's meaning was lost over the centuries so it sounds like a really bad acid trip. or smoking the peace pipe even.

Finally - nobody can prove God. there is no physical source that can prove a deity. It's all a matter of faith. the Bible is a collection of laws and history left by ancient man. But in the end, that is all there is. Just laws and history. It can't prove anything.

[echoing8whisper]

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1. It was written by men, and therefore is not credible.
2. Much of the Bible is Fiction, where pre-modern men try to explain what they don't understand.
3. Any who take the Bible's words to heart are simply stupid for the above stated reasons.
4.The Bible does not prove that there is a God.

I'm sure there are countless other views on the Bible (Care to add to that list up there?), so what I am wondering is if anyone can give me logical reasoning as to why the Bible is or is not a credible source from which to base our faith or belief in a God.
--Please try to explain your reasoning or ideals, because I'm going to respond to every reply I receive and I'd like to be able to at least understand what you're saying.--

Gho the Girl

1. Guess what else is written by man?

The Constitution.
The Law.
The Bill of Rights.

Obviously, these things are not credible, and should be discarded.

Nice straw man fallacy you have going here. What does the United States legal documents have to do with proving the existence of a deity? The correct answer is - it doesn't. The Bill of Rights and the Constitution are the systems used to support a Country that it's common knowledge in international cartography DEFINITELY exists. God and His will is completely question of faith. And only the faith-believers say he definitely exists.

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2. Prove that please.

Well, it can't be proved that it was modern fiction; however it can be proved that the people [or person] who wrote it was not alive for at least almost all of Genesis, as he wrote about the world before man existed, and covered the lives of men who lived over 200 years.

To be noted - The two accounts of creation - there was YHWH (singular, from the Southern Kingdom) who created the world, and then there was Elohim (plural, from the Northern former Pagan converts) tale. So what she is saying is - while poorly worded, not too far off.

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3.Do you believe that darkies are people? That gays should have rights? That women are as worthy as men?
These are all ideas that were written by men. They were based on the fictatious and the real, just as you claim the Bible was.
So therefore these things must be stupid as well.

Poorly made point*cough cough* straw man.*cough*

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4. HOLY s**t NO WAI REALLY?

wow. just wow. you completely missed the point of this post.

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Here, lemme give you some reasoning that's about as qualitative as the stuff you gave.

What you wrote is stupid, written by a person and is therefore made of fail, and so why don't you agree with me already?

And what YOU wrote was pathetic, uneducated, loaded with fallacy and therefore is made of fail, so why were you so hungry to sound like a complete idiot?

Seriously, people come to forums because they want to learn. Not because they want to be bashed. So why not teach and debate instead of being a uneducated Biblewaving jackass who most likely can't support (or even make) your points?? Jeez.

[Cyrus the Elder]

echoing8whisper

Nice straw man fallacy you have going here. What does the United States legal documents have to do with proving the existence of a deity? The correct answer is - it doesn't. The Bill of Rights and the Constitution are the systems used to support a Country that it's common knowledge in international cartography DEFINITELY exists. God and His will is completely question of faith. And only the faith-believers say he definitely exists.

It's not a straw-man, it's an example given to show that the basis for the first statement, that something is not credible simply because it is written by men, is false. Perhaps you should take some basic lessons in logic and learn the difference between an example and a straw-man before you go spouting off about things you do not understand.

Edit: And where did Gho claim to be trying to prove that YHVH exists? Last I checked, Gho was merely trying to show that the post that was responded to wasn't cogent.

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Well, it can't be proved that it was modern fiction; however it can be proved that the people [or person] who wrote it was not alive for at least almost all of Genesis, as he wrote about the world before man existed, and covered the lives of men who lived over 200 years.

That doesn't really show anything regarding the point, however.

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To be noted - The two accounts of creation - there was YHWH (singular, from the Southern Kingdom) who created the world, and then there was Elohim (plural, from the Northern former Pagan converts) tale. So what she is saying is - while poorly worded, not too far off.

Southern Kingdom of....what? neutral For that matter, Northern pagan converts of....where? neutral

No, you know what, screw it, reading that broke my brain too much, so:

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Poorly made point*cough cough* straw man.*cough*

You really need to go take that logic course to see the difference between showing an example intended to demonstrate that the argument presented isn't logically cogent, and a straw-man. Watching you bend fallacies over a table and have your way with them just isn't pleasant at all for those of us who've actually learned our s**t in logic.

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wow. just wow. you completely missed the point of this post.

No, not really.

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And what YOU wrote was pathetic, uneducated, loaded with fallacy and therefore is made of fail, so why were you so hungry to sound like a complete idiot?

No, what you wrote was "pathetic, uneducated, loaded with fallacy, and therefore is made of fail" you don't even seem to know the difference between an example addressing the cogency of an argument as opposed to a straw-man fallacy. "So why were you so hungry to sound like a complete idiot?"

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Seriously, people come to forums because they want to learn. Not because they want to be bashed.

The two are not mutually exclusive for a start, and for a finish Gho hardly "bashed" them, merely disagreed in a rather blunt manner.

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So why not teach and debate instead of being a uneducated Biblewaving jackass who most likely can't support (or even make) your points?? Jeez.

I'm sorry, you lost me at "uneducated Biblewaving jackass". I happen to know for a fact that Gho is far from uneducated, rarely waves a Bible, and is not really a jackass.

[Celeblin Galadeneryn]

Why is Gho waving a bible? Is she hot?

[Gho the Girl]

Celeblin Galadeneryn

Why is Gho waving a bible? Is she hot?

Unconsciounably so. *dances to "La Tortura."

[Celeblin Galadeneryn]

Gho the Girl

Celeblin Galadeneryn

Why is Gho waving a bible? Is she hot?

Unconsciounably so. *dances to "La Tortura."

I think this calls for three snaps in a Z formation.