The Bible; Of God, Or Men?

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[Westenblum]

ferret658

Westenblum

You still have to present a case for your claim. God spoke scientific truth, you say? I, at least, want you to elaborate on that statement. I'm not aware of any scientific discipline that arose through direct divine intervention.

The Big Bang - a spontaneous explosion creating everything.
The Bible's version - God spoke everything into existence.
Genesis 1:1

The Big Bang isn't an explosion, but an expansion of space-time. Even then, it doesn't gel with Genesis 1:1, since it wasn't a spoken event, and it wasn't generated from nothing.

Quote:

It's scientific fact that the earth was covered in a lot of water. (And this water was red because of iron in it).
Genesis 1:2

Genesis 1:2 doesn't mention water in terms of how much of the Earth was covered by it.

Quote:

The Cambrian Explosion - Massive amounts of fossils in the fossil layer shows the sudden existence of sea life
The Bible's version - God created the seas and made them teem with life.
Genesis 1:20

The Cambrian Explosion saw the emergence of most major groups of complex animals, not merely sea life. This also contradicts known observations in the fossil record, with sea sponges appearing long before the Cambrian period.

Quote:

Science - 575 million years ago, there was also the sudden existence of fully formed animals - no transitional species like Darwin suggested. No proof of macro evolution.
The Bible's Version - God created the animals that walk the earth.
Genesis 1:24

You're just lying now, and my thread shows how wrong your statements are.

[Kiumaru]

ferret658

The Big Bang - a spontaneous explosion creating everything.
The Bible's version - God spoke everything into existence.
Genesis 1:1

It's scientific fact that the earth was covered in a lot of water. (And this water was red because of iron in it).
Genesis 1:2

The Cambrian Explosion - Massive amounts of fossils in the fossil layer shows the sudden existence of sea life
The Bible's version - God created the seas and made them teem with life.
Genesis 1:20

Science - 575 million years ago, there was also the sudden existence of fully formed animals - no transitional species like Darwin suggested. No proof of macro evolution.
The Bible's Version - God created the animals that walk the earth.
Genesis 1:24

The Earth - its round and it's in space.
The Bible's version - Isaiah says the world is a sphere suspended on nothing.
(Give me some time with this one and I'll PM the scripture reference to you.)

You do realize that's through interpretation of the facts that have been proven after the fact. Before the discovery of these facts, the Bible did not give these ideas to the people. Such explanations could also be given by different mythology.

Also, there is proof of "macro evolution" as well as "evolution" in general.

[ferret658]

Westenblum

ferret658

Westenblum

You still have to present a case for your claim. God spoke scientific truth, you say? I, at least, want you to elaborate on that statement. I'm not aware of any scientific discipline that arose through direct divine intervention.

The Big Bang - a spontaneous explosion creating everything.
The Bible's version - God spoke everything into existence.
Genesis 1:1

The Big Bang isn't an explosion, but an expansion of space-time. Even then, it doesn't gel with Genesis 1:1, since it wasn't a spoken event, and it wasn't generated from nothing.

Quote:

It's scientific fact that the earth was covered in a lot of water. (And this water was red because of iron in it).
Genesis 1:2

Genesis 1:2 doesn't mention water in terms of how much of the Earth was covered by it.

Quote:

The Cambrian Explosion - Massive amounts of fossils in the fossil layer shows the sudden existence of sea life
The Bible's version - God created the seas and made them teem with life.
Genesis 1:20

The Cambrian Explosion saw the emergence of most major groups of complex animals, not merely sea life. This also contradicts known observations in the fossil record, with sea sponges appearing long before the Cambrian period.

Quote:

Science - 575 million years ago, there was also the sudden existence of fully formed animals - no transitional species like Darwin suggested. No proof of macro evolution.
The Bible's Version - God created the animals that walk the earth.
Genesis 1:24

You're just lying now, and my thread shows how wrong your statements are.

This religious bent you speak of is not what is causing me to disbelieve in evolution. It's facts that people seem to not want to look at because they're so opposed to the idea of God. And how am I lying.

[ferret658]

Kiumaru

ferret658

The Big Bang - a spontaneous explosion creating everything.
The Bible's version - God spoke everything into existence.
Genesis 1:1

It's scientific fact that the earth was covered in a lot of water. (And this water was red because of iron in it).
Genesis 1:2

The Cambrian Explosion - Massive amounts of fossils in the fossil layer shows the sudden existence of sea life
The Bible's version - God created the seas and made them teem with life.
Genesis 1:20

Science - 575 million years ago, there was also the sudden existence of fully formed animals - no transitional species like Darwin suggested. No proof of macro evolution.
The Bible's Version - God created the animals that walk the earth.
Genesis 1:24

The Earth - its round and it's in space.
The Bible's version - Isaiah says the world is a sphere suspended on nothing.
(Give me some time with this one and I'll PM the scripture reference to you.)

You do realize that's through interpretation of the facts that have been proven after the fact. Before the discovery of these facts, the Bible did not give these ideas to the people. Such explanations could also be given by different mythology.

Also, there is proof of "macro evolution" as well as "evolution" in general.

So you're telling me that if someone right now said something that was scientifically mindblowing that people just shrugged it off was to come up in a discussion 2500 years in the future, that scientifically mindblowing comment would not be credible.

[Aegair]

ferret658

Westenblum

ferret658

Westenblum

You still have to present a case for your claim. God spoke scientific truth, you say? I, at least, want you to elaborate on that statement. I'm not aware of any scientific discipline that arose through direct divine intervention.

The Big Bang - a spontaneous explosion creating everything.
The Bible's version - God spoke everything into existence.
Genesis 1:1

The Big Bang isn't an explosion, but an expansion of space-time. Even then, it doesn't gel with Genesis 1:1, since it wasn't a spoken event, and it wasn't generated from nothing.

Quote:

It's scientific fact that the earth was covered in a lot of water. (And this water was red because of iron in it).
Genesis 1:2

Genesis 1:2 doesn't mention water in terms of how much of the Earth was covered by it.

Quote:

The Cambrian Explosion - Massive amounts of fossils in the fossil layer shows the sudden existence of sea life
The Bible's version - God created the seas and made them teem with life.
Genesis 1:20

The Cambrian Explosion saw the emergence of most major groups of complex animals, not merely sea life. This also contradicts known observations in the fossil record, with sea sponges appearing long before the Cambrian period.

Quote:

Science - 575 million years ago, there was also the sudden existence of fully formed animals - no transitional species like Darwin suggested. No proof of macro evolution.
The Bible's Version - God created the animals that walk the earth.
Genesis 1:24

You're just lying now, and my thread shows how wrong your statements are.

This religious bent you speak of is not what is causing me to disbelieve in evolution. It's facts that people seem to not want to look at because they're so opposed to the idea of God.

Say what? Your petty 'arguments' are refuted so you whine about people not liking God? I would love for there to be a Deity, I'm in no way against the idea of YHWH... You are just failing to make an argument.

[ferret658]

Aegair

ferret658

Westenblum

ferret658

Westenblum

You still have to present a case for your claim. God spoke scientific truth, you say? I, at least, want you to elaborate on that statement. I'm not aware of any scientific discipline that arose through direct divine intervention.

The Big Bang - a spontaneous explosion creating everything.
The Bible's version - God spoke everything into existence.
Genesis 1:1

The Big Bang isn't an explosion, but an expansion of space-time. Even then, it doesn't gel with Genesis 1:1, since it wasn't a spoken event, and it wasn't generated from nothing.

Quote:

It's scientific fact that the earth was covered in a lot of water. (And this water was red because of iron in it).
Genesis 1:2

Genesis 1:2 doesn't mention water in terms of how much of the Earth was covered by it.

Quote:

The Cambrian Explosion - Massive amounts of fossils in the fossil layer shows the sudden existence of sea life
The Bible's version - God created the seas and made them teem with life.
Genesis 1:20

The Cambrian Explosion saw the emergence of most major groups of complex animals, not merely sea life. This also contradicts known observations in the fossil record, with sea sponges appearing long before the Cambrian period.

Quote:

Science - 575 million years ago, there was also the sudden existence of fully formed animals - no transitional species like Darwin suggested. No proof of macro evolution.
The Bible's Version - God created the animals that walk the earth.
Genesis 1:24

You're just lying now, and my thread shows how wrong your statements are.

This religious bent you speak of is not what is causing me to disbelieve in evolution. It's facts that people seem to not want to look at because they're so opposed to the idea of God.

Say what? Your petty 'arguments' are refuted so you whine about people not liking God? I would love for there to be a Deity, I'm in no way against the idea of YHWH... You are just failing to make an argument.

I gave you secular and Biblical proof.

[Westenblum]

ferret658

Westenblum

ferret658

Westenblum

You still have to present a case for your claim. God spoke scientific truth, you say? I, at least, want you to elaborate on that statement. I'm not aware of any scientific discipline that arose through direct divine intervention.

The Big Bang - a spontaneous explosion creating everything.
The Bible's version - God spoke everything into existence.
Genesis 1:1

The Big Bang isn't an explosion, but an expansion of space-time. Even then, it doesn't gel with Genesis 1:1, since it wasn't a spoken event, and it wasn't generated from nothing.

Quote:

It's scientific fact that the earth was covered in a lot of water. (And this water was red because of iron in it).
Genesis 1:2

Genesis 1:2 doesn't mention water in terms of how much of the Earth was covered by it.

Quote:

The Cambrian Explosion - Massive amounts of fossils in the fossil layer shows the sudden existence of sea life
The Bible's version - God created the seas and made them teem with life.
Genesis 1:20

The Cambrian Explosion saw the emergence of most major groups of complex animals, not merely sea life. This also contradicts known observations in the fossil record, with sea sponges appearing long before the Cambrian period.

Quote:

Science - 575 million years ago, there was also the sudden existence of fully formed animals - no transitional species like Darwin suggested. No proof of macro evolution.
The Bible's Version - God created the animals that walk the earth.
Genesis 1:24

You're just lying now, and my thread shows how wrong your statements are.

This religious bent you speak of is not what is causing me to disbelieve in evolution. It's facts that people seem to not want to look at because they're so opposed to the idea of God.

WTF? I'm not opposed to people believing in God; I'm opposed to people twisting evidence to suit their needs. You even claim that no transitional fossils exist, which you wouldn't say at all if you knew anything about the fossil record.

[Kiumaru]

ferret658

This religious bent you speak of is not what is causing me to disbelieve in evolution. It's facts that people seem to not want to look at because they're so opposed to the idea of God.

It was stated that it is usually religiously bent not that it necessarily is bent that way. Anyway, I think it's facts that people do not want to accept evolution for whatever idea that they are opposed to evolution.

ferret658

So you're telling me that if someone right now said something that was scientifically mindblowing that people just shrugged it off was to come up in a discussion 2500 years in the future, that scientifically mindblowing comment would not be credible.

No, I am not saying that. What I am saying is that me saying something rather vague which is revisited thousands of years later and reexamined does not mean that I started whatever was found. If I said something profound, it could've been simply chance or through rudimentary ideas of the world rather than scientific fact. (For all we know, I could've been suffering from psychosis and simply spouted nonsense that could be construed later as me stating a scientific fact.)

[Westenblum]

ferret658

Aegair

ferret658

Westenblum

ferret658

The Big Bang - a spontaneous explosion creating everything.
The Bible's version - God spoke everything into existence.
Genesis 1:1

The Big Bang isn't an explosion, but an expansion of space-time. Even then, it doesn't gel with Genesis 1:1, since it wasn't a spoken event, and it wasn't generated from nothing.

Quote:

It's scientific fact that the earth was covered in a lot of water. (And this water was red because of iron in it).
Genesis 1:2

Genesis 1:2 doesn't mention water in terms of how much of the Earth was covered by it.

Quote:

The Cambrian Explosion - Massive amounts of fossils in the fossil layer shows the sudden existence of sea life
The Bible's version - God created the seas and made them teem with life.
Genesis 1:20

The Cambrian Explosion saw the emergence of most major groups of complex animals, not merely sea life. This also contradicts known observations in the fossil record, with sea sponges appearing long before the Cambrian period.

Quote:

Science - 575 million years ago, there was also the sudden existence of fully formed animals - no transitional species like Darwin suggested. No proof of macro evolution.
The Bible's Version - God created the animals that walk the earth.
Genesis 1:24

You're just lying now, and my thread shows how wrong your statements are.

This religious bent you speak of is not what is causing me to disbelieve in evolution. It's facts that people seem to not want to look at because they're so opposed to the idea of God.

Say what? Your petty 'arguments' are refuted so you whine about people not liking God? I would love for there to be a Deity, I'm in no way against the idea of YHWH... You are just failing to make an argument.

I gave you secular and Biblical proof.

You state that macroevolution and transitional fossils don't exist - wrong on both points. And Genesis' order of created "kinds" contradicts observed reality.

[ferret658]

Aegair

ferret658

Westenblum

ferret658

Westenblum

You still have to present a case for your claim. God spoke scientific truth, you say? I, at least, want you to elaborate on that statement. I'm not aware of any scientific discipline that arose through direct divine intervention.

The Big Bang - a spontaneous explosion creating everything.
The Bible's version - God spoke everything into existence.
Genesis 1:1

The Big Bang isn't an explosion, but an expansion of space-time. Even then, it doesn't gel with Genesis 1:1, since it wasn't a spoken event, and it wasn't generated from nothing.

Quote:

It's scientific fact that the earth was covered in a lot of water. (And this water was red because of iron in it).
Genesis 1:2

Genesis 1:2 doesn't mention water in terms of how much of the Earth was covered by it.

Quote:

The Cambrian Explosion - Massive amounts of fossils in the fossil layer shows the sudden existence of sea life
The Bible's version - God created the seas and made them teem with life.
Genesis 1:20

The Cambrian Explosion saw the emergence of most major groups of complex animals, not merely sea life. This also contradicts known observations in the fossil record, with sea sponges appearing long before the Cambrian period.

Quote:

Science - 575 million years ago, there was also the sudden existence of fully formed animals - no transitional species like Darwin suggested. No proof of macro evolution.
The Bible's Version - God created the animals that walk the earth.
Genesis 1:24

You're just lying now, and my thread shows how wrong your statements are.

This religious bent you speak of is not what is causing me to disbelieve in evolution. It's facts that people seem to not want to look at because they're so opposed to the idea of God.

Say what? Your petty 'arguments' are refuted so you whine about people not liking God? I would love for there to be a Deity, I'm in no way against the idea of YHWH... You are just failing to make an argument.

Because I'm supposed to be an expert in everything I talk about. Got it.

[Westenblum]

ferret658

Aegair

ferret658

Westenblum

ferret658

The Big Bang - a spontaneous explosion creating everything.
The Bible's version - God spoke everything into existence.
Genesis 1:1

The Big Bang isn't an explosion, but an expansion of space-time. Even then, it doesn't gel with Genesis 1:1, since it wasn't a spoken event, and it wasn't generated from nothing.

Quote:

It's scientific fact that the earth was covered in a lot of water. (And this water was red because of iron in it).
Genesis 1:2

Genesis 1:2 doesn't mention water in terms of how much of the Earth was covered by it.

Quote:

The Cambrian Explosion - Massive amounts of fossils in the fossil layer shows the sudden existence of sea life
The Bible's version - God created the seas and made them teem with life.
Genesis 1:20

The Cambrian Explosion saw the emergence of most major groups of complex animals, not merely sea life. This also contradicts known observations in the fossil record, with sea sponges appearing long before the Cambrian period.

Quote:

Science - 575 million years ago, there was also the sudden existence of fully formed animals - no transitional species like Darwin suggested. No proof of macro evolution.
The Bible's Version - God created the animals that walk the earth.
Genesis 1:24

You're just lying now, and my thread shows how wrong your statements are.

This religious bent you speak of is not what is causing me to disbelieve in evolution. It's facts that people seem to not want to look at because they're so opposed to the idea of God.

Say what? Your petty 'arguments' are refuted so you whine about people not liking God? I would love for there to be a Deity, I'm in no way against the idea of YHWH... You are just failing to make an argument.

Because I'm supposed to be an expert in everything I talk about. Got it.

You haven't demonstrated even passing familiarity with evolution. The more difficult stuff is going to be beyond you. What say you about ERVs, for example?

[ferret658]

Westenblum

ferret658

Aegair

ferret658

Westenblum

The Big Bang isn't an explosion, but an expansion of space-time. Even then, it doesn't gel with Genesis 1:1, since it wasn't a spoken event, and it wasn't generated from nothing.



Genesis 1:2 doesn't mention water in terms of how much of the Earth was covered by it.



The Cambrian Explosion saw the emergence of most major groups of complex animals, not merely sea life. This also contradicts known observations in the fossil record, with sea sponges appearing long before the Cambrian period.



You're just lying now, and my thread shows how wrong your statements are.

This religious bent you speak of is not what is causing me to disbelieve in evolution. It's facts that people seem to not want to look at because they're so opposed to the idea of God.

Say what? Your petty 'arguments' are refuted so you whine about people not liking God? I would love for there to be a Deity, I'm in no way against the idea of YHWH... You are just failing to make an argument.

I gave you secular and Biblical proof.

You state that macroevolution and transitional fossils don't exist - wrong on both points. And Genesis' order of created "kinds" contradicts observed reality.

You're telling me you honestly believe that ONE single celled organism can - by way of descent with modification - can eventually create other organisms that have different genetics. That these organisms can become so different in such a short time that they can't even procreate with other organisms? How can ONE organism with a single cell create such a vast variety of creatures in such a short period of time?

[Aegair]

ferret658

Westenblum

ferret658

Aegair

ferret658

Westenblum

The Big Bang isn't an explosion, but an expansion of space-time. Even then, it doesn't gel with Genesis 1:1, since it wasn't a spoken event, and it wasn't generated from nothing.



Genesis 1:2 doesn't mention water in terms of how much of the Earth was covered by it.



The Cambrian Explosion saw the emergence of most major groups of complex animals, not merely sea life. This also contradicts known observations in the fossil record, with sea sponges appearing long before the Cambrian period.



You're just lying now, and my thread shows how wrong your statements are.

This religious bent you speak of is not what is causing me to disbelieve in evolution. It's facts that people seem to not want to look at because they're so opposed to the idea of God.

Say what? Your petty 'arguments' are refuted so you whine about people not liking God? I would love for there to be a Deity, I'm in no way against the idea of YHWH... You are just failing to make an argument.

I gave you secular and Biblical proof.

You state that macroevolution and transitional fossils don't exist - wrong on both points. And Genesis' order of created "kinds" contradicts observed reality.

You're telling me you honestly believe that ONE single celled organism can - by way of descent with modification - can eventually create other organisms that have different genetics. That these organisms can become so different in such a short time that they can't even procreate with other organisms? How can ONE organism with a single cell create such a vast variety of creatures in such a short period of time?

Define short period of time.

[ferret658]

Westenblum

ferret658

Aegair

ferret658

Westenblum

The Big Bang isn't an explosion, but an expansion of space-time. Even then, it doesn't gel with Genesis 1:1, since it wasn't a spoken event, and it wasn't generated from nothing.



Genesis 1:2 doesn't mention water in terms of how much of the Earth was covered by it.



The Cambrian Explosion saw the emergence of most major groups of complex animals, not merely sea life. This also contradicts known observations in the fossil record, with sea sponges appearing long before the Cambrian period.



You're just lying now, and my thread shows how wrong your statements are.

This religious bent you speak of is not what is causing me to disbelieve in evolution. It's facts that people seem to not want to look at because they're so opposed to the idea of God.

Say what? Your petty 'arguments' are refuted so you whine about people not liking God? I would love for there to be a Deity, I'm in no way against the idea of YHWH... You are just failing to make an argument.

Because I'm supposed to be an expert in everything I talk about. Got it.

You haven't demonstrated even passing familiarity with evolution. The more difficult stuff is going to be beyond you. What say you about ERVs, for example?

I say, "What are ERVs?" And then the follow up remark of, "Nevermind. I could care less. I have my faith and I was just stating what I have learned. Excuse me for not living up to your standards."

[Westenblum]

ferret658

Westenblum

ferret658

Aegair

ferret658

Westenblum

The Big Bang isn't an explosion, but an expansion of space-time. Even then, it doesn't gel with Genesis 1:1, since it wasn't a spoken event, and it wasn't generated from nothing.



Genesis 1:2 doesn't mention water in terms of how much of the Earth was covered by it.



The Cambrian Explosion saw the emergence of most major groups of complex animals, not merely sea life. This also contradicts known observations in the fossil record, with sea sponges appearing long before the Cambrian period.



You're just lying now, and my thread shows how wrong your statements are.

This religious bent you speak of is not what is causing me to disbelieve in evolution. It's facts that people seem to not want to look at because they're so opposed to the idea of God.

Say what? Your petty 'arguments' are refuted so you whine about people not liking God? I would love for there to be a Deity, I'm in no way against the idea of YHWH... You are just failing to make an argument.

I gave you secular and Biblical proof.

You state that macroevolution and transitional fossils don't exist - wrong on both points. And Genesis' order of created "kinds" contradicts observed reality.

You're telling me you honestly believe that ONE single celled organism can - by way of descent with modification - can eventually create other organisms that have different genetics. That these organisms can become so different in such a short time that they can't even procreate with other organisms? How can ONE organism with a single cell create such a vast variety of creatures in such a short period of time?

You do realize we're talking about billions of years here, correct? How is that a "short period of time"?