The Bible; Of God, Or Men?

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[Irahatam]

1. It was written by men, and therefore is not credible.2 Timothy 3:16... All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
This is where faith in God takes place. One either believes that God had men write what he wanted them to, or they don't. Faith is not a possession of all men.

2. Much of the Bible is Fiction, where pre-modern men try to explain what they don't understand. For a "fiction" book the bible even works for our day and did work in the days of it's being written. If people today just followed the last five ten commandments found at Exodus 20:13 - 17 the world would be a better place for all...
13 “You must not murder.
14 “You must not commit adultery.
15 “You must not steal.
16 “You must not testify falsely as a witness against your fellowman.
17 “You must not desire your fellowman’s house. You must not desire your fellowman’s wife, nor his slave man nor his slave girl nor his bull nor his a** nor anything that belongs to your fellowman.” granted we all don't have slave girls or asses anymore (lol, my husband would argue the latter) but the gist of the scripture is not to look longingly at what others have because it could lead you to commit a crime.
For not following those five rules, the world is a mess and one cannot turn the news on without hearing about all these crimes crimes in a single day. Often they lead to murder.

3. Any who take the Bible's words to heart are simply stupid for the above stated reasons. I might be inclined to think that oif I didn't know that it's the desire of most people I talk to to live without fear of being murdered. Most people just want to be left alone to live their lives and they have no ill will towards others.

4. The Bible does not prove that there is a God. For someone with faith that studies the bible regularly, it does. But again, faith is not a possession of all men. 2 Thessalonians 3: 2 and that we may be delivered from harmful and wicked men, for faith is not a possession of all people.

[ferret658]

Kiumaru

ferret658

I agree with Lokiogma that fiction is intentionally false. But where I disagree is that the Bible is literal and figurative; an instruction manual and a corrective tool. When the writers give descriptions of things, we have take it as figurative because they described what they saw to the best of their abilities, maybe not accurately or literally. when the Bible's writers wrote prophecies 500 years before the prophecy was fulfilled to the T, this we can take as literal. When the Bible says that something is wrong, then it is wrong. When the Bible says that a child must honor and respect their parents, and fathers are not supposed to antoagonize their children, then these situations must be corrected.

What about when the Bible contradicts itself on the rules and laws? Does that make both rules right?

Like which laws? Give me some examples because I have no idea what you're talking about. No law in the Old Testament contradicts another. Jesus' teachings supported the Old Testament law.

ferret658

The Bible does prove there is a God. There are countless scriptures that God Himself says, "I am the LORD your God."

Quote:

That's like saying that there's proof of Zeus and the Greek Gods because they interacted with the people of Ancient Greece when they needed them.

Those are two completely different things. Zeus was imaginary. (You give me conjecture, I'll give it right back)

[xLady Tsukiyox]

ferret658

Kiumaru

ferret658

I agree with Lokiogma that fiction is intentionally false. But where I disagree is that the Bible is literal and figurative; an instruction manual and a corrective tool. When the writers give descriptions of things, we have take it as figurative because they described what they saw to the best of their abilities, maybe not accurately or literally. when the Bible's writers wrote prophecies 500 years before the prophecy was fulfilled to the T, this we can take as literal. When the Bible says that something is wrong, then it is wrong. When the Bible says that a child must honor and respect their parents, and fathers are not supposed to antoagonize their children, then these situations must be corrected.

What about when the Bible contradicts itself on the rules and laws? Does that make both rules right?

Like which laws? Give me some examples because I have no idea what you're talking about. No law in the Old Testament contradicts another. Jesus' teachings supported the Old Testament law.

ferret658

The Bible does prove there is a God. There are countless scriptures that God Himself says, "I am the LORD your God."

Quote:

That's like saying that there's proof of Zeus and the Greek Gods because they interacted with the people of Ancient Greece when they needed them.

Those are two completely different things. Zeus was imaginary. (You give me conjecture, I'll give it right back)

Actually Zeus had temples and statues depicting him.

http://www.world-wonders.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/statue-of-zeus-in-olympia.gif
http://www.unmuseum.org/ztemp.htm

So how exactly was he made up?

[Aegair]

xLady Tsukiyox

ferret658

Kiumaru

ferret658

I agree with Lokiogma that fiction is intentionally false. But where I disagree is that the Bible is literal and figurative; an instruction manual and a corrective tool. When the writers give descriptions of things, we have take it as figurative because they described what they saw to the best of their abilities, maybe not accurately or literally. when the Bible's writers wrote prophecies 500 years before the prophecy was fulfilled to the T, this we can take as literal. When the Bible says that something is wrong, then it is wrong. When the Bible says that a child must honor and respect their parents, and fathers are not supposed to antoagonize their children, then these situations must be corrected.

What about when the Bible contradicts itself on the rules and laws? Does that make both rules right?

Like which laws? Give me some examples because I have no idea what you're talking about. No law in the Old Testament contradicts another. Jesus' teachings supported the Old Testament law.

ferret658

The Bible does prove there is a God. There are countless scriptures that God Himself says, "I am the LORD your God."

Quote:

That's like saying that there's proof of Zeus and the Greek Gods because they interacted with the people of Ancient Greece when they needed them.

Those are two completely different things. Zeus was imaginary. (You give me conjecture, I'll give it right back)

Actually Zeus had temples and statues depicting him.

http://www.world-wonders.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/statue-of-zeus-in-olympia.gif
http://www.unmuseum.org/ztemp.htm

So how exactly was he made up?

I would've personally gone down the route of getting him to find evidence that Zeus was 'made-up' but this may end up turning into an interesting debate.

[xLady Tsukiyox]

Aegair

xLady Tsukiyox

ferret658

Kiumaru

ferret658

I agree with Lokiogma that fiction is intentionally false. But where I disagree is that the Bible is literal and figurative; an instruction manual and a corrective tool. When the writers give descriptions of things, we have take it as figurative because they described what they saw to the best of their abilities, maybe not accurately or literally. when the Bible's writers wrote prophecies 500 years before the prophecy was fulfilled to the T, this we can take as literal. When the Bible says that something is wrong, then it is wrong. When the Bible says that a child must honor and respect their parents, and fathers are not supposed to antoagonize their children, then these situations must be corrected.

What about when the Bible contradicts itself on the rules and laws? Does that make both rules right?

Like which laws? Give me some examples because I have no idea what you're talking about. No law in the Old Testament contradicts another. Jesus' teachings supported the Old Testament law.

ferret658

The Bible does prove there is a God. There are countless scriptures that God Himself says, "I am the LORD your God."

Quote:

That's like saying that there's proof of Zeus and the Greek Gods because they interacted with the people of Ancient Greece when they needed them.

Those are two completely different things. Zeus was imaginary. (You give me conjecture, I'll give it right back)

Actually Zeus had temples and statues depicting him.

http://www.world-wonders.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/statue-of-zeus-in-olympia.gif
http://www.unmuseum.org/ztemp.htm

So how exactly was he made up?

I would've personally gone down the route of getting him to find evidence that Zeus was 'made-up' but this may end up turning into an interesting debate.

I was going to go that way, buttt I'm on a short break and my left eye is being ******** annoying..

Also, ferrett is a she, but has male avatars.

[Aegair]

xLady Tsukiyox

Aegair

xLady Tsukiyox

ferret658

Kiumaru

What about when the Bible contradicts itself on the rules and laws? Does that make both rules right?

Like which laws? Give me some examples because I have no idea what you're talking about. No law in the Old Testament contradicts another. Jesus' teachings supported the Old Testament law.

ferret658

The Bible does prove there is a God. There are countless scriptures that God Himself says, "I am the LORD your God."

Quote:

That's like saying that there's proof of Zeus and the Greek Gods because they interacted with the people of Ancient Greece when they needed them.

Those are two completely different things. Zeus was imaginary. (You give me conjecture, I'll give it right back)

Actually Zeus had temples and statues depicting him.

http://www.world-wonders.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/statue-of-zeus-in-olympia.gif
http://www.unmuseum.org/ztemp.htm

So how exactly was he made up?

I would've personally gone down the route of getting him to find evidence that Zeus was 'made-up' but this may end up turning into an interesting debate.

I was going to go that way, buttt I'm on a short break and my left eye is being ******** annoying..

Also, ferrett is a she, but has male avatars.

Ah...

In all honesty I don't even remember if I looked at her avatar... I wasn't thinking pronouns.

[ferret658]

xLady Tsukiyox

ferret658

Kiumaru

ferret658

I agree with Lokiogma that fiction is intentionally false. But where I disagree is that the Bible is literal and figurative; an instruction manual and a corrective tool. When the writers give descriptions of things, we have take it as figurative because they described what they saw to the best of their abilities, maybe not accurately or literally. when the Bible's writers wrote prophecies 500 years before the prophecy was fulfilled to the T, this we can take as literal. When the Bible says that something is wrong, then it is wrong. When the Bible says that a child must honor and respect their parents, and fathers are not supposed to antoagonize their children, then these situations must be corrected.

What about when the Bible contradicts itself on the rules and laws? Does that make both rules right?

Like which laws? Give me some examples because I have no idea what you're talking about. No law in the Old Testament contradicts another. Jesus' teachings supported the Old Testament law.

ferret658

The Bible does prove there is a God. There are countless scriptures that God Himself says, "I am the LORD your God."

Quote:

That's like saying that there's proof of Zeus and the Greek Gods because they interacted with the people of Ancient Greece when they needed them.

Those are two completely different things. Zeus was imaginary. (You give me conjecture, I'll give it right back)

Actually Zeus had temples and statues depicting him.

http://www.world-wonders.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/statue-of-zeus-in-olympia.gif
http://www.unmuseum.org/ztemp.htm

So how exactly was he made up?

I'm fully aware that Zeus was believed to be an actual deity, that he had temples and statues and whatnot. I'm not attacking the physical proof of his quotey fingered existence. I'm attacking the lack of physical proof of him intervening in human affairs like God has. God created the world, God has spoken scientific truths, God has saved us. What has zeus done but throw a few measley thunderbolts and knock up countless women because he couldn't keep it in his pants? What scientific fact has Zeus ever made?

[Aegair]

ferret658

xLady Tsukiyox

ferret658

Kiumaru

ferret658

I agree with Lokiogma that fiction is intentionally false. But where I disagree is that the Bible is literal and figurative; an instruction manual and a corrective tool. When the writers give descriptions of things, we have take it as figurative because they described what they saw to the best of their abilities, maybe not accurately or literally. when the Bible's writers wrote prophecies 500 years before the prophecy was fulfilled to the T, this we can take as literal. When the Bible says that something is wrong, then it is wrong. When the Bible says that a child must honor and respect their parents, and fathers are not supposed to antoagonize their children, then these situations must be corrected.

What about when the Bible contradicts itself on the rules and laws? Does that make both rules right?

Like which laws? Give me some examples because I have no idea what you're talking about. No law in the Old Testament contradicts another. Jesus' teachings supported the Old Testament law.

ferret658

The Bible does prove there is a God. There are countless scriptures that God Himself says, "I am the LORD your God."

Quote:

That's like saying that there's proof of Zeus and the Greek Gods because they interacted with the people of Ancient Greece when they needed them.

Those are two completely different things. Zeus was imaginary. (You give me conjecture, I'll give it right back)

Actually Zeus had temples and statues depicting him.

http://www.world-wonders.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/statue-of-zeus-in-olympia.gif
http://www.unmuseum.org/ztemp.htm

So how exactly was he made up?

I'm fully aware that Zeus was believed to be an actual deity, that he had temples and statues and whatnot. I'm not attacking the physical proof of his quotey fingered existence. I'm attacking the lack of physical proof of him intervening in human affairs like God has. God created the world, God has spoken scientific truths, God has saved us. What has zeus done but throw a few measley thunderbolts and knock up countless women because he couldn't keep it in his pants? What scientific fact has Zeus ever made?

And there's physical proof of YHVH?

Citation needed.

Also, Absense of Evidence is not Evidence of Absense.

[ferret658]

Aegair

ferret658

xLady Tsukiyox

ferret658

Kiumaru

What about when the Bible contradicts itself on the rules and laws? Does that make both rules right?

Like which laws? Give me some examples because I have no idea what you're talking about. No law in the Old Testament contradicts another. Jesus' teachings supported the Old Testament law.

ferret658

The Bible does prove there is a God. There are countless scriptures that God Himself says, "I am the LORD your God."

Quote:

That's like saying that there's proof of Zeus and the Greek Gods because they interacted with the people of Ancient Greece when they needed them.

Those are two completely different things. Zeus was imaginary. (You give me conjecture, I'll give it right back)

Actually Zeus had temples and statues depicting him.

http://www.world-wonders.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/statue-of-zeus-in-olympia.gif
http://www.unmuseum.org/ztemp.htm

So how exactly was he made up?

I'm fully aware that Zeus was believed to be an actual deity, that he had temples and statues and whatnot. I'm not attacking the physical proof of his quotey fingered existence. I'm attacking the lack of physical proof of him intervening in human affairs like God has. God created the world, God has spoken scientific truths, God has saved us. What has zeus done but throw a few measley thunderbolts and knock up countless women because he couldn't keep it in his pants? What scientific fact has Zeus ever made?

And there's physical proof of YHVH?

Citation needed.

Also, Absense of Evidence is not Evidence of Absense.

...So you're not even going to bite on the scientific stuff....okay...I see.
Nature, the laws holding the universe together, Jesus.
You would dismiss the citation I'm using, so I'm not going to bother.

[xLady Tsukiyox]

ferret658

Aegair

ferret658

xLady Tsukiyox

ferret658

Like which laws? Give me some examples because I have no idea what you're talking about. No law in the Old Testament contradicts another. Jesus' teachings supported the Old Testament law.





Those are two completely different things. Zeus was imaginary. (You give me conjecture, I'll give it right back)

Actually Zeus had temples and statues depicting him.

http://www.world-wonders.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/statue-of-zeus-in-olympia.gif
http://www.unmuseum.org/ztemp.htm

So how exactly was he made up?

I'm fully aware that Zeus was believed to be an actual deity, that he had temples and statues and whatnot. I'm not attacking the physical proof of his quotey fingered existence. I'm attacking the lack of physical proof of him intervening in human affairs like God has. God created the world, God has spoken scientific truths, God has saved us. What has zeus done but throw a few measley thunderbolts and knock up countless women because he couldn't keep it in his pants? What scientific fact has Zeus ever made?

And there's physical proof of YHVH?

Citation needed.

Also, Absense of Evidence is not Evidence of Absense.

...So you're not even going to bite on the scientific stuff....okay...I see.
Nature, the laws holding the universe together, Jesus.
You would dismiss the citation I'm using, so I'm not going to bother.

Sorry that's not going to fly. Either back up your assertions or concede.

[Awake In Flames]

Written by God or men, does it matter if the message speaks truth?

[ferret658]

xLady Tsukiyox

ferret658

Aegair

ferret658

xLady Tsukiyox

ferret658

Like which laws? Give me some examples because I have no idea what you're talking about. No law in the Old Testament contradicts another. Jesus' teachings supported the Old Testament law.





Those are two completely different things. Zeus was imaginary. (You give me conjecture, I'll give it right back)

Actually Zeus had temples and statues depicting him.

http://www.world-wonders.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/statue-of-zeus-in-olympia.gif
http://www.unmuseum.org/ztemp.htm

So how exactly was he made up?

I'm fully aware that Zeus was believed to be an actual deity, that he had temples and statues and whatnot. I'm not attacking the physical proof of his quotey fingered existence. I'm attacking the lack of physical proof of him intervening in human affairs like God has. God created the world, God has spoken scientific truths, God has saved us. What has zeus done but throw a few measley thunderbolts and knock up countless women because he couldn't keep it in his pants? What scientific fact has Zeus ever made?

And there's physical proof of YHVH?

Citation needed.

Also, Absense of Evidence is not Evidence of Absense.

...So you're not even going to bite on the scientific stuff....okay...I see.
Nature, the laws holding the universe together, Jesus.
You would dismiss the citation I'm using, so I'm not going to bother.

Sorry that's not going to fly. Either back up your assertions or concede.

Fine. I concede because nothing I say will make you attack me any less. One disagreement in our views of the Bible, and you come after me like nobody's business. Great way to captain a guild, I might add.

[Westenblum]

ferret658

xLady Tsukiyox

ferret658

Aegair

ferret658

I'm fully aware that Zeus was believed to be an actual deity, that he had temples and statues and whatnot. I'm not attacking the physical proof of his quotey fingered existence. I'm attacking the lack of physical proof of him intervening in human affairs like God has. God created the world, God has spoken scientific truths, God has saved us. What has zeus done but throw a few measley thunderbolts and knock up countless women because he couldn't keep it in his pants? What scientific fact has Zeus ever made?

And there's physical proof of YHVH?

Citation needed.

Also, Absense of Evidence is not Evidence of Absense.

...So you're not even going to bite on the scientific stuff....okay...I see.
Nature, the laws holding the universe together, Jesus.
You would dismiss the citation I'm using, so I'm not going to bother.

Sorry that's not going to fly. Either back up your assertions or concede.

Fine. I concede because nothing I say will make you attack me any less. One disagreement in our views of the Bible, and you come after me like nobody's business. Great way to captain a guild, I might add.

You still have to present a case for your claim. God spoke scientific truth, you say? I, at least, want you to elaborate on that statement. I'm not aware of any scientific discipline that arose through direct divine intervention.

[Kiumaru]

ferret658

I'm fully aware that Zeus was believed to be an actual deity, that he had temples and statues and whatnot. I'm not attacking the physical proof of his quotey fingered existence. I'm attacking the lack of physical proof of him intervening in human affairs like God has. God created the world, God has spoken scientific truths, God has saved us. What has zeus done but throw a few measley thunderbolts and knock up countless women because he couldn't keep it in his pants? What scientific fact has Zeus ever made?

What physical proof is there of God? What scientific truths has he spoken? Where's the proof of his intervention in human affairs? If we're saying "God created the world," why couldn't the forces of Greek mythology have done the same (which I believe chaos was what originated everything in Greek mythology. Chaos being emptiness and such)?

Why would the "creation of scientific fact" be necessary?

ferret658

Fine. I concede because nothing I say will make you attack me any less. One disagreement in our views of the Bible, and you come after me like nobody's business. Great way to captain a guild, I might add.

xLady Tsukiyox didn't attack you. There was no ad hominems included within the argument. What was argued against was your evidence and argument.

[ferret658]

Westenblum

You still have to present a case for your claim. God spoke scientific truth, you say? I, at least, want you to elaborate on that statement. I'm not aware of any scientific discipline that arose through direct divine intervention.

The Big Bang - a spontaneous explosion creating everything.
The Bible's version - God spoke everything into existence.
Genesis 1:1

It's scientific fact that the earth was covered in a lot of water. (And this water was red because of iron in it).
Genesis 1:2

The Cambrian Explosion - Massive amounts of fossils in the fossil layer shows the sudden existence of sea life
The Bible's version - God created the seas and made them teem with life.
Genesis 1:20

Science - 575 million years ago, there was also the sudden existence of fully formed animals - no transitional species like Darwin suggested. No proof of macro evolution.
The Bible's Version - God created the animals that walk the earth.
Genesis 1:24

The Earth - its round and it's in space.
The Bible's version - Isaiah says the world is a sphere suspended on nothing.
(Give me some time with this one and I'll PM the scripture reference to you.)