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Certainly, what did you want to know about it?


How many experience orbs are required to upgrade your Force Lightning?

Are you attempting to be humorous? If so you're failing horribly.


I was inebriated at the time; it must have felt like a good idea.

rofl

I really don't care if you want to joke about it, doesn't bother me at all to be honest. I can't launch lightning from my fingertips though, as much as I wish I could.


That seems an ill-considered aspect of the whole affair.

Yes, but its alright, no one else can either! sweatdrop
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Are you attempting to be humorous? If so you're failing horribly.


I was inebriated at the time; it must have felt like a good idea.

rofl

I really don't care if you want to joke about it, doesn't bother me at all to be honest. I can't launch lightning from my fingertips though, as much as I wish I could.


That seems an ill-considered aspect of the whole affair.

Yes, but its alright, no one else can either! sweatdrop


I feel safer already.
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I don't think so. The lord gives me all the power I need.

the christian view of God and divinity strikes me as completely illogical.
heh. heheheh. I always find statements like that funny, personally.

Like many religions with little to go on and evidence to suggest falsity, I believe the "power" comes from the placebo effect; that being they have power only because they believe they have power. The irony is that in religions such as Christianity the belief is that someone else has power and the followers have power through him, but the placebo effect holds true. So long as you understand the placebo effect religions such as Christianity can be logical to some extent.


ehh... believing you have power doesn't give you power, realy... it might seem like it, until someone weilds power against you.

but that wasn't what I thought was illogical anyway. just... other things... mostly the way God is viewed in Christianity.

Believing you have power does give some. The belief that you are already powerful grants confidence. This can tie into the Sith code at that point. Confidence could lead to actions taken on passion. Passion leads to strength and so on. It isn't so much the belief itself that grants power, but the placebo effect can lead to it to some extent. At the very least they feel empowered and for some that is enough.

I know what you mean about that. I used to be a Christian, but I had to question the authenticity of the bible. It was written by God through man then translated by man and re-translated by man, but we're supposed to believe man never altered anything. Somewhere around here we have an old bible which claims black people should not be allowed on holy grounds. Elsewhere an older bible says no such thing. There are bibles which say nothing about homosexuals and, as everyone knows, quite a few that do. But man never added, changed, or removed anything. (╯°-°)╯︵ ┻━┻


heh. diggin' the flipped table.

anywho, I believe that there is definitely wisdom in the Bible, but it has to be taken figuratively. but yeh... the anthropomorphic idea of God is silly. "God" if you wanna call it that (The Force, Tao, Krishna, whatever) is undescribable, undefinable, and unable to be compreheded. simple as that. omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent. all things and nothing are it, an dit is all things and nothing.

"The Tao that can be named is not the True Tao", yada yada.

actually... that reminds me. great video series, lemme bring it up.

I found this so useful. I'm on chapter 12 now.
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I see myself adopting Kreia's stance on the force more than any other. Except than rather kill the mysteries of the universe, I would rather expose their secrets should they exist.


ehh... I tend to avoid looking too much into Darth Bane and Darth Kreia, because what I have learned comes across as terribly shortsighted to me. but ya know, I realy havn't learned enough about Kreia now that you mention it. don't quite know WHAT her views are. could you elaborate them, here?


There is very little to draw from, which is what may come across as short sighted. The fact is that it is very general, yet specific in places where it has the most influence. I tend to believe that was the focus of her message in the game. A hidden gnosis, the exposure of which could spell death for her greatest enemy: the Force.

Without getting too much into the mythos of it, the gist of it is that the dark side and light side of the force are a false dichotomy or false dilemma, and that by appealing to one sense of knowledge over the other, one becomes blind to their actual irrelevance to the universe.

Darth Traya's intent was to remove 'kill' the force, by rendering the galaxy deaf to it's ways.

One of her quotes likens the force to a poison, in which she uses it to kill her opponents and immunize herself.

Comparatively, I would observe the Force as a result of the universe and it's machinations. While I do agree that light and dark sides are false dilemmas, and see that small actions can have enormous impacts if they are applied at the right moments. I, like Darth Kreia, run into the dilemma of dealing with Hunger and Pain as allies and enemies, though i do not portray them as negatives to be discarded as unwanted apprentices but as 'necessary evils' to put it bluntly.

I find the Force to be a product of the universe, and as such while I would use it as a poison, i would immunize others from it rather than deafen the galaxy to it's ways. By exposing the nature of the force to those who do not know it's nature, I immunize the universe to the unnecessary mysteries surrounding it.


the problem with that way of thinking is that it relies on the assumption that the Force is seperrate from, disjoint even, from existence or beings or consciousness. that simply isn't true. all things, all concepts, even non-being are part of The Force.


I disagree. While the force flows through the universe and is created by the universe like kinetic energy, it does not survive absent of the universe. Without the medium of the material and the physical for the force to exude from, it is as conceptually sound as Motion existing without a single object to move.

This is not to say that the force is not a part of all things. I am merely stating that the force flows through us like motion does through objects, and as a result is created by the interaction of living beings within the universe, specifically force sensitive beings or places like Korriban or Coruscant.

My position isn't that the force is separate from the universe, my assertion is that the force is a product of the universe.


One's ability to understand and discover the mysteries of the force, reveal those mysteries to others, and immunize the galaxy from that mystery are not hinged upon the ideal that the force is separate or part of the universe. It is hinged upon the nature of the force, which can be investigated as proven by the various orders of Jedi and Sith who do so.


I can see where I made my error; I was thinking that you also would have viewed the world as not being tangeable the same way it is assumed to be. silly me.

but yes, I guess I can sorta see where you are coming from when the physical world is "real" to you... but I am inclined to disagree entirely with your view.

actually, I am under the impression that The Force and "Reality" give birth to eachother. Cause and Effect, in this sense, are illusions of thought. as are all things. I think of it like this: The Force is "Pure Light" unbroken... but we cannot persieve that light in it's purity. we must view it through a prism, fragmenting it into it's many "colours"... essentially I am looking at it the same way as the Aing Tii.
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Well, being a Jedi myself I would have to say I'm not much into Sith Realism. Its a perfectly respectable path for those drawn to it, however.


would you be willing to talk to us more about Jediism? smile

Certainly, what did you want to know about it?


mostly your personal views and opinions, interpretations, and lessons. ^_^

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