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[Sakura Uchiha]

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[No spare change]

How can Jews and Romans NOT exist without Jesus?
Romans were around long before Jesus supposedly roamed the earth.
No legit historical evidence of the existence of Jesus has ever been found. The only historical "evidence" that we have right now was written down by religiously influenced historians who wrote their books many years after the death of Jesus?
Many Jesuses have roamed the earth, and yes, there have been reports of a supposed "King of the Jews" named Jesus, but those reports and pieces of evidence still have to be proven to have been from Jesus' age. Many books and literal references that mention Jesus have been written many, many years after christianity was a widespread religion. No eye witness accounts have ever been written down, apart from the Bible, which is a book of lies and contradictions.

[Islamic Teacher]

I have complete Faith in the Quran as the Word of God
If the Quran says Jesus existed, Then I believe he existed

The Prophet Muhammad even said this concerning Jesus son of Mary

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (peace be upon him). He will descent (to the earth). When you see him, recognize him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet. He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him.

[Henry Hobo-Master]

Your logic is flawed. Have you ever heard of the story about the city "Troy"? Just archaeology has discovered the city Troy (or what they believe as the city of Troy), doesn't mean the story written by the man named Homer (supposedly) is 100% true.

The NT is that way too. Just because Jews and Romans did exist, does not mean that Jesus did. Just because that report on Roman Text said that "Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum" was crucified, does not actually mean that it was the same "Jesus" we all know. And that doesn't mean that "Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum" ever existed, but that his name is written on a text. Its evidence, not proof.

The difference between the two is like seeing a picture of an apple, versus having an apple right in front of you. I'm assuming that there are many theories about Jesus and not existing. This doesn't necessarily mean he ever existed, or didn't exist.

And just because Jesus existed, doesn't mean that God is real. The NT is not an autobiography, but some see it as a fictional Biography, based on real people, and a few real events.

If one ever wishes to "find God/Jesus", then you must stop looking at the things which cannot be proven.

[GunsmithKitten]

MySecretConfession

Then Jews and Romans wouldn’t exist either ..

Ummmm....hellloooo, Roman Kingdom, founded in 753BCE under Romulus. It most certainly did exist.

Ditto for the Isrealites, going at least to 1029 BCE.

[Aws10]

Jesus existing =/= god existing

[The New Wineskin]

Aws10

Jesus existing =/= god existing

This.

[Blood Valkyrie]

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You do realize that people existed long before Jesus, right?
s**t, the Israelites, God's chosen people, got along for many many years without Jesus.

[ChiyuriYami]

MySecretConfession

Then Jews and Romans wouldn’t exist either ..
I don’t get how the Jews are not only a people but a religion and culture combined
You can’t have one without the other.
I watched a history report on ancient Roman text that state there was in fact a man crucified by the title of Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum
I’m starting to really believe that Jesus did exist and the existence of a God could in fact be real

Even if an individual by such a name existed in the past, information surounding that individual may have been manipulated, altered, falsified and such..

His existance itself isn't enoguh to prove the entire religion..

[il-Lashtavar]

/invokes godwin's law

How can people say the Holocaust never happened?
I assume they opened their mouths and modulated their vocal cords.

Why do they say Jesus never existed?

Who cares? Maybe Jesus doesn't happen to have an apparent bearing on their lives. Why should they bother?

[Herald of Famine]

MySecretConfession

Then Jews and Romans wouldn’t exist either ..

What, did he save the Jews and Romans from an alien invasion or something? He is supposed to be a savior after all...

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I don’t get how the Jews are not only a people but a religion and culture combined
You can’t have one without the other.

Mad scientists and genetic modification obviously.

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I watched a history report on ancient Roman text that state there was in fact a man crucified by the title of Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum

Seems unlikely that such a thing would be in a legitimate Roman text, though can't say for sure. I mean, REX? King?

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I’m starting to really believe that Jesus did exist and the existence of a God could in fact be real

The two are pretty unrelated.

[azulmagia]

MySecretConfession

I watched a history report on ancient Roman text that state there was in fact a man crucified by the title of Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum

OK, produce it then. That doesn't sound like any Roman text I heard of.

[Requiem ex Inferni]

Yes. Clearly, a large land empire and a religion that were both around LONG before the time Jesus allegedly (and I emphasize the "allegedly" part, because a.) you didn't produce this history report, and b.) it still wouldn't prove he was the mythological figure Christians make him out to be) clearly would not exist if Jesus didn't exist either.

[BATCATGIRL]

I'm believer in Christ. Yes I believe he existed.
I mean I know in my gut he is true. But if some one ask me Oh PROVE THAT YO!
Well I can't! because its one of those things you have to experience your self in order to understand.

[IronySandwich]

Yeah, and what's with people saying Harry Potter isn't real? I mean if not for Harry Potter there would be no English and no King's Cross Station.