Relationships and Religion

[Rookherst Returned]

Akhenaton of man

Learning about God should be their choice. The greatest soldier is one who consented to war.

Sergeant York

[Ratreoz]

A Soporific

You can, but you would be wrong. I can define "house" to mean "wood". Of course, the meaning you get out of my words would be totally different than what I'm trying to convey. You have the same case here, misapplying a word with a clear negative connotation when shooting for guilt by association.

Except I provided a definition.
Accusing me of trying to use guilt by association is ridiculous, since I have already stated that I consider the indoctrination of children the moral equivalent of brainwashing.

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I fail to see how this differs to political group, socialization, and ethics when it comes to "child indoctrination". You might consider it immoral, but wouldn't that be just because you disagree with the subject or take incredibly extreme examples as representative.

No. Any indoctrination of children is immoral. Which is why I despise the public school system of my country. Under the current government the sole focus has become to teach children what we know, forgetting the rather important subject of how we know it. I consider that borderline, if not outright, indoctrination. Doesn't matter that what they are taught is likely to be true.

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And this is repersentative how?

I'm pretty sure I stated that it happens "often", or something to that effect. The Jesus Camp example alone in my opinion means that it happens much too often, but that is of course not an isolated case.

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So, everything anyone tries to do at any point is now the reason they are paid? So I assume that I am paid by the Board of Elections to drink and party because I do so on occasion?

So you are claiming that "saving" people is not one of the main duties of Christian priests?

[MisterSam]

A Soporific

Crazy, bacause I could have sworn that the definition of branwashing was:

Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Main Entry: brain·wash·ing
Pronunciation: ˈbrān-ˌwȯ-shiŋ, -ˌwä-
Function: noun
Etymology: translation of Chinese (Beijing) xǐnǎo
Date: 1950
1 : a forcible indoctrination to induce someone to give up basic political, social, or religious beliefs and attitudes and to accept contrasting regimented ideas
2 : persuasion by propaganda or salesmanship

CITE

If it's not "forcible" or based on "propaganda or salesmanship" then it's not brainwashing.

It is forcible in the aspect that children have not yet formed a filter to knowledge that they can attain, so telling any child pieces of knowledge is pretty much forcing it into their brains.

[A Soporific]

MisterSam

A Soporific

Crazy, bacause I could have sworn that the definition of branwashing was:

Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Main Entry: brain·wash·ing
Pronunciation: ˈbrān-ˌwȯ-shiŋ, -ˌwä-
Function: noun
Etymology: translation of Chinese (Beijing) xǐnǎo
Date: 1950
1 : a forcible indoctrination to induce someone to give up basic political, social, or religious beliefs and attitudes and to accept contrasting regimented ideas
2 : persuasion by propaganda or salesmanship

CITE

If it's not "forcible" or based on "propaganda or salesmanship" then it's not brainwashing.

It is forcible in the aspect that children have not yet formed a filter to knowledge that they can attain, so telling any child pieces of knowledge is pretty much forcing it into their brains.

So, how do you NOT brainwash a child? Doesn't this mean that teaching someone to tie their shoes as children in brainwashing, as well as looking both ways to cross the street, and that the way that their society works works?

[MisterSam]

A Soporific

MisterSam

A Soporific

Crazy, bacause I could have sworn that the definition of branwashing was:

Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Main Entry: brain·wash·ing
Pronunciation: ˈbrān-ˌwȯ-shiŋ, -ˌwä-
Function: noun
Etymology: translation of Chinese (Beijing) xǐnǎo
Date: 1950
1 : a forcible indoctrination to induce someone to give up basic political, social, or religious beliefs and attitudes and to accept contrasting regimented ideas
2 : persuasion by propaganda or salesmanship

CITE

If it's not "forcible" or based on "propaganda or salesmanship" then it's not brainwashing.

It is forcible in the aspect that children have not yet formed a filter to knowledge that they can attain, so telling any child pieces of knowledge is pretty much forcing it into their brains.

So, how do you NOT brainwash a child? Doesn't this mean that teaching someone to tie their shoes as children in brainwashing, as well as looking both ways to cross the street, and that the way that their society works works?

Tying your shoes, and looking both ways before crossing the street, aren't political, social, or religious acts.

[Cyrus the Elder]

MisterSam

A Soporific

MisterSam

A Soporific

Crazy, bacause I could have sworn that the definition of branwashing was:

Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Main Entry: brain·wash·ing
Pronunciation: ˈbrān-ˌwȯ-shiŋ, -ˌwä-
Function: noun
Etymology: translation of Chinese (Beijing) xǐnǎo
Date: 1950
1 : a forcible indoctrination to induce someone to give up basic political, social, or religious beliefs and attitudes and to accept contrasting regimented ideas
2 : persuasion by propaganda or salesmanship

CITE

If it's not "forcible" or based on "propaganda or salesmanship" then it's not brainwashing.

It is forcible in the aspect that children have not yet formed a filter to knowledge that they can attain, so telling any child pieces of knowledge is pretty much forcing it into their brains.

So, how do you NOT brainwash a child? Doesn't this mean that teaching someone to tie their shoes as children in brainwashing, as well as looking both ways to cross the street, and that the way that their society works works?

Tying your shoes, and looking both ways before crossing the street, aren't political, social, or religious acts.

I dunno, in the right context tying one's shoes and looking both ways could be considered social acts. ninja

[MisterSam]

Cyrus the Elder

MisterSam

A Soporific

MisterSam

A Soporific

Crazy, bacause I could have sworn that the definition of branwashing was:

Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Main Entry: brain·wash·ing
Pronunciation: ˈbrān-ˌwȯ-shiŋ, -ˌwä-
Function: noun
Etymology: translation of Chinese (Beijing) xǐnǎo
Date: 1950
1 : a forcible indoctrination to induce someone to give up basic political, social, or religious beliefs and attitudes and to accept contrasting regimented ideas
2 : persuasion by propaganda or salesmanship

CITE

If it's not "forcible" or based on "propaganda or salesmanship" then it's not brainwashing.

It is forcible in the aspect that children have not yet formed a filter to knowledge that they can attain, so telling any child pieces of knowledge is pretty much forcing it into their brains.

So, how do you NOT brainwash a child? Doesn't this mean that teaching someone to tie their shoes as children in brainwashing, as well as looking both ways to cross the street, and that the way that their society works works?

Tying your shoes, and looking both ways before crossing the street, aren't political, social, or religious acts.

I dunno, in the right context tying one's shoes and looking both ways could be considered social acts. ninja

Only if you stretched the idea super hard. neutral

[Cyrus the Elder]

MisterSam

Cyrus the Elder

MisterSam

A Soporific

MisterSam

It is forcible in the aspect that children have not yet formed a filter to knowledge that they can attain, so telling any child pieces of knowledge is pretty much forcing it into their brains.

So, how do you NOT brainwash a child? Doesn't this mean that teaching someone to tie their shoes as children in brainwashing, as well as looking both ways to cross the street, and that the way that their society works works?

Tying your shoes, and looking both ways before crossing the street, aren't political, social, or religious acts.

I dunno, in the right context tying one's shoes and looking both ways could be considered social acts. ninja

Only if you stretched the idea super hard. neutral

Not any harder than I stretch my taffy 3nodding

[A Soporific]

But the question still stands. How can you NOT brainwash children under that definition?

[Cyrus the Elder]

A Soporific

But the question still stands. How can you NOT brainwash children under that definition?

Soundproof plastic bubbles. 3nodding

That are....uh....painted black, yeah. ninja

[A Soporific]

Cyrus the Elder

A Soporific

But the question still stands. How can you NOT brainwash children under that definition?

Soundproof plastic bubbles. 3nodding

That are....uh....painted black, yeah. ninja

But, kids die when you do that...

[Cyrus the Elder]

A Soporific

Cyrus the Elder

A Soporific

But the question still stands. How can you NOT brainwash children under that definition?

Soundproof plastic bubbles. 3nodding

That are....uh....painted black, yeah. ninja

But, kids die when you do that...

Air holes dammit! All you need is a fork! ninja

[Misses Brinks]

Well you have to be honest, instead of teaching kids what to think, you should teach them how to think. :/
I think your atheist friend should be more respective, and I can see you only want what's best, but do you really love them if you make them a certain way and not let them be themselves?
Or would you just feel guilty by not telling them of god and it's your fault they burn in hell?