Premarital Sex - Sin?

[Wadzworth929]

Priestess Acadia

Sounds like God sets humanity up to fail.

Sounds to me like God is testing us. If we fail it will be because of our own weaknesses, and God has done all He can do to help us succeed without taking away our free agency.

[Wadzworth929]

The Happy Reaper

I don't believe in Him, but for the purposes of this post I'll assume he exists.

Has God ever had sex, or a lifelong sexual/romantic partner, hmm?

Actually our church does believe the God has an eternal companion who he doesn't mention to the public because it has become common to make fun of God's name, or in other words "take the name of the Lord thy God in vain". Christ has perfect empathy for everything we experience, every pain and temptation we suffer, because He came to earth and suffered those pains and temptations for Himself.

[Lady_Amalthea]

I have come to realise why God doesn't want us to have sex outside of marriage; IMO, it's because He doesn't want us to sell ourselves short since the only person worthy of having our bodies is the person who has committed themselves to you, before God and your family.
I for one won't be giving a boyfriend a piece of me; they're not worth it mrgreen

[Sadomasochist_Mistress]

before christianity, sex was celebrated, with the egyptians, the romans, anyone before christianity. Then the religion comes. Suddenly, women are harlots or witches, sex before marriage is wrong, as well as homosexuality, and people live chaste, virtuous god-fearing, judging lives.

1. What's wrong with sex before marriage if you never plan on getting married?

2. Or what if you don't believe in god? Do the rules still apply to you?

3 and last. Does anyone, much less a ficticous book written by other men (the bible), have the right to say who's life is wrong or not?

[xxMidianxx]

No it's not a sin, YES ITS A SIN. Unless you are an athiest, it's not considered anything at all but if you want to take this into a religious sense at all, concerning Christianity or anything of that nature. It is considered a sin. No questions asked. Why is it a sin? It's the closest bond you could ever share with a person and God says that one should only take part in it if, one is married under holy matrumony.

[Wadzworth929]

Novasangria

before christianity, sex was celebrated, with the egyptians, the romans, anyone before christianity. Then the religion comes. Suddenly, women are harlots or witches, sex before marriage is wrong, as well as homosexuality, and people live chaste, virtuous god-fearing, judging lives.

You completely forget the Jews. They didn't treat sex the same way the Romans or Egyptians did. They were harsher on immorality than Christianity currently is. This makes sense to me considering that at the time they were God's chosen people.

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1. What's wrong with sex before marriage if you never plan on getting married?

First off, the bible teaches that you should get married. To me it sounds like having sex before marriage and never getting married are two sins, rather than one.

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2. Or what if you don't believe in god? Do the rules still apply to you?

I suppose if you don't believe in God, then what the Bible says about this is irrelevant. Of course, without some form of God there is no purpose in morals at all. Let's all just kill and rape each other.

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3 and last. Does anyone, much less a ficticous book written by other men (the bible), have the right to say who's life is wrong or not?

Prophets of God do have the right to say what God teaches to be right or wrong. Even more, Christ, the son of God, has every right and reason to say what is right or wrong. Those writings are in the Bible for us to study.

[Lady_Amalthea]

Elvendra

Lady_Amalthea

Le Soleil Neigeux

captain blue x

u must be marreid to ur wife to have sex if ur not its called fornication. must be marreid i dont support noone.its a sin to have sex before look it up in exodus 20:its in the ten commendments...

Actually premarital sex isn't mentioned in the Ten Commandments... The only mention of sex at all is in verse 14, "You shall not commit adultery." (NIV)

Adultery is defined as, "Voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and someone other than his or her lawful spouse.: (Dictionary.com)

How is adultery any different from pre-marital sex? Both are the same since both involve you cheating on your spouse, since Biblically we are told that sex unites you with someone forever and that someone should only be your spouse

If they are the same then how come you can't divorce due to "pre-marital sex"?

back in the day you could divorce someone if they were found out not to be a virgin, that has obviously changed, though

[Lady_Amalthea]

Novasangria

before christianity, sex was celebrated, with the egyptians, the romans, anyone before christianity. Then the religion comes. Suddenly, women are harlots or witches, sex before marriage is wrong, as well as homosexuality, and people live chaste, virtuous god-fearing, judging lives.

1. What's wrong with sex before marriage if you never plan on getting married?

2. Or what if you don't believe in god? Do the rules still apply to you?

3 and last. Does anyone, much less a ficticous book written by other men (the bible), have the right to say who's life is wrong or not?

you need to do your research because most societies did not view sex as openly as some believe they did
For instance, most of the ancient Greeks and Romans would not take a woman for their wife if she had slept with other men, since this was seen as dishonourable.
Obviously, the double standard was that men could still fool around though
mad

[Lady_Amalthea]

Icysnowgirl

STDs and unwanted pregnancies can be avoided with proper birth control use. And no, abortion is not the first defence of birth control for the majority of people.

prevented, yes, but have you seen the statistics for how many people have, or will get, an STD? Also, condoms do not protect from all STD's and even the AIDS virus can be small enough to pass through the fibers of a condom

*More than half of all people will have an STD at some point in their lifetime.

* The estimated total number of people living in the US with a viral STD is over 65 million. Every year, there are at least 15 million new cases of STDs, some of which are curable.

* More than $8 billion is spent each year to diagnose and treat STDs and their complications. This figure does not include HIV.

* Each year, one in four teens contracts an STD.

* One in two sexually active persons will contact an STD.

* About half of all new STDs in 2000 occurred among youth ages 15 to 24. The total estimated costs of these nine million new cases of these STDs was $6.5 billion, with HIV and human papillomavirus (HPV) accounting for 90% of the total burden.

* One out of 20 people in the United States will get infected with hepatitis B (HBV) some time during their lives. Hepatitis B is 100 times more infectious than HIV.

* Approximately half of HBV infections are transmitted sexually. HBV is linked to chronic liver disease, including cirrhosis and liver cancer.

* Hepatitis A and hepatitis B are the only two vaccine-preventable STDs.

* It is estimated that as many as one in four Americans have genital herpes, a lifelong (but manageable) infection, yet up to 90 percent of those with herpes are unaware they have it. With more than 50 million adults in the US with genital herpes and up to 1.6 million new infections each year, some estimates suggest that by 2025 up to 40% of all men and half of all women could be infected.

* At least 15 percent of all American women who are infertile can attribute it to tubal damage caused by pelvic inflammatory disease (PID), the result of an untreated STD. Consistent condom use reduces the risk of recurrent PID and related complications: significantly, women who reported regular use of condoms in one study were 60 percent less likely to become infertile.

* Cervical cancer in women, while preventable through regular Paps, is linked to high-risk types of HPV.

* Each year, there are almost 3 million new cases of chlamydia, many of which are in adolescents and young adults. The CDC recommends that sexually active females 25 and under should be screened at least once a year for chlamydia, even if no symptoms are present.

* Condoms have up to 12% chance of tearing/breaking/slipping off.

source: http://www.ashastd.org/learn/learn_statistics.cfm

[Mjume]

Le Soleil Neigeux

It's the general consensus that premarital sex is a sin. However, no one has ever explained to me why... In my biblical studies, I haven't been able to find any outward mention of premarital sex and it's moral standing at all.

Just wondering about the general opinion on sex outside of marriage.

Is it wrong? Why?
What makes it ok?
Should the topic be concerned with religion at all?

If you have a viewpoint, please support it! 3nodding

i don't know what uppity prudes you've been talking to, nor where you live, because i don't know someone who didn't have premarital sex, yes, even my parents and grandparents, marriage is a wishy-washy concept anyway, with naive notions on nonexistant singularities that haven't even had a rational cohesion to them, marriage is a dumb idea, and no premarital sex is an even stupider one...

also, i find it interesting that as i clicked on this thread, i had 666 gold, kinda funny...

[Mjume]

Flemavenger

Priestess Acadia

Sounds like God sets humanity up to fail.

Sounds to me like God is testing us. If we fail it will be because of our own weaknesses, and God has done all He can do to help us succeed without taking away our free agency.

and what's all this talk about god, what is god, huh?

[Priestess Acadia]

Flemavenger

So what you are saying is that there is no sin and all of us can just do whatever we want? If that were the case we would all be running around raping each other. I find that to be really sad.

I'm saying there's no sin, however, there is imparted in each person common sense, a core system of ethics, morals, and values, and a set of instinctual traits and drives which serve to further humanity and protect the individual.

To say that because humans have natural drives and instincts, that they're immoral, or that because you have natural drives and instincts that you have the potential to act immorally is stupid. Having sex is a natural drive, created to carry on the species. Rape is not. And it's not a socially condoned practice, either. So our natural drive doesn't support it, and the constraints of our society don't support it. Everybody, regardless of faith, seems to agree that rape is reprehensible.

I find it sad that you think the natural drive to have sex can be confused with rape. That must mean, in your mind, since there's such a thin line between them, that other natural drives are only steps away for immoral actions. We all have the natural drive to eat, so we all must be steps away from cannabalism. We all have the natural drive to protect ourselves, so we're steps away from being murderers.

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God gives us all weaknesses. No one has the same weaknesses, and God will never allow Satan to tempt us beyond that which we are able to bare.

So again, you subscribe to the theory that God gives us faults for the purpose of failing? He creates sin so that we will sin?

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"The first and best victory is to conquer self; to be conquered by self is, of all things, the most shameful and vile." -Plato

Interesting... Of course, Plato was an Atheist, so I find it interesting you use a quote by an Atheist about self improvement and morals to support Christian belief.

[Priestess Acadia]

Flemavenger

Priestess Acadia

Sounds like God sets humanity up to fail.

Sounds to me like God is testing us. If we fail it will be because of our own weaknesses, and God has done all He can do to help us succeed without taking away our free agency.

So I say again, God creates tests he knows people will fail and go to hell... Which sounds a lot like God is setting people up to fail.

[Priestess Acadia]

Flemavenger

First off, the bible teaches that you should get married. To me it sounds like having sex before marriage and never getting married are two sins, rather than one.

Not getting married is a sin? So Nuns and Priests are sinning? If one is supposed to get married, when? Are you just by not being married, sinning, which means children under 18 are sinning, or are those who don't get married by a certain time sinning? So like, there's a certain age, and if you're not married by then, you're sinning? Say you're 30 and unmarried, and you die, will you go to hell for the sin of being unmarried?

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I suppose if you don't believe in God, then what the Bible says about this is irrelevant. Of course, without some form of God there is no purpose in morals at all. Let's all just kill and rape each other.

So you're saying, if it weren't for God and the looming threat of going to hell, you wouldn't do good? You would run about raping and killing people? You have no natural or instinctual drive, like the rest of us, to go about life as a productive citizen who doesn't needlessly harm people?

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Prophets of God do have the right to say what God teaches to be right or wrong. Even more, Christ, the son of God, has every right and reason to say what is right or wrong. Those writings are in the Bible for us to study.

Unless you're not Christian, of course.

[Mjume]

Priestess Acadia

Flemavenger

First off, the bible teaches that you should get married. To me it sounds like having sex before marriage and never getting married are two sins, rather than one.

Not getting married is a sin? So Nuns and Priests are sinning? If one is supposed to get married, when? Are you just by not being married, sinning, which means children under 18 are sinning, or are those who don't get married by a certain time sinning? So like, there's a certain age, and if you're not married by then, you're sinning? Say you're 30 and unmarried, and you die, will you go to hell for the sin of being unmarried?

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I suppose if you don't believe in God, then what the Bible says about this is irrelevant. Of course, without some form of God there is no purpose in morals at all. Let's all just kill and rape each other.

So you're saying, if it weren't for God and the looming threat of going to hell, you wouldn't do good? You would run about raping and killing people? You have no natural or instinctual drive, like the rest of us, to go about life as a productive citizen who doesn't needlessly harm people?

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Prophets of God do have the right to say what God teaches to be right or wrong. Even more, Christ, the son of God, has every right and reason to say what is right or wrong. Those writings are in the Bible for us to study.

Unless you're not Christian, of course.

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