Premarital Sex - Sin?

[Le Soleil Neigeux]

It's the general consensus that premarital sex is a sin. However, no one has ever explained to me why... In my biblical studies, I haven't been able to find any outward mention of premarital sex and it's moral standing at all.

Just wondering about the general opinion on sex outside of marriage.

Is it wrong? Why?
What makes it ok?
Should the topic be concerned with religion at all?

If you have a viewpoint, please support it! 3nodding

[captain blue x]

u must be marreid to ur wife to have sex if ur not its called fornication. must be marreid i dont support noone.its a sin to have sex before look it up in exodus 20:its in the ten commendments...

[Nine Lotus Petals Falling]

I say if two willing adults want to have sex then there is nothing wrong with it. Why would there be? After all marriage is nothing more than a ceremony. Most of the marriages in history, yes, even in the bible, were made not for love but for political and monetary reasons. What really matters is not the ceremony but the relationship. Two loving people having sex is a beautiful thing, whether they are married or not. Marriage is just a legal binding of the two people.

[Le Soleil Neigeux]

captain blue x

u must be marreid to ur wife to have sex if ur not its called fornication. must be marreid i dont support noone.its a sin to have sex before look it up in exodus 20:its in the ten commendments...

Actually premarital sex isn't mentioned in the Ten Commandments... The only mention of sex at all is in verse 14, "You shall not commit adultery." (NIV)

Adultery is defined as, "Voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and someone other than his or her lawful spouse.: (Dictionary.com)

[Le Soleil Neigeux]

Nine Lotus Petals Falling

I say if two willing adults want to have sex then there is nothing wrong with it. Why would there be? After all marriage is nothing more than a ceremony. Most of the marriages in history, yes, even in the bible, were made not for love but for political and monetary reasons. What really matters is not the ceremony but the relationship. Two loving people having sex is a beautiful thing, whether they are married or not. Marriage is just a legal binding of the two people.

Good point. -But as for the Bible, does it approve or disprove of sex before marriage? Does it even mention it at all?

[Flemavenger]

Le Soleil Neigeux

It's the general consensus that premarital sex is a sin. However, no one has ever explained to me why... In my biblical studies, I haven't been able to find any outward mention of premarital sex and it's moral standing at all.

Just wondering about the general opinion on sex outside of marriage.

Is it wrong? Why?
What makes it ok?
Should the topic be concerned with religion at all?

If you have a viewpoint, please support it! 3nodding

Wikipedia

Fornication, sometimes referred to as "premarital sex", is a term which refers to any sexual activity between consenting unmarried partners.

KJV

1 Corinthians 6:
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abuser of themselves with mankind,

KJV

Romans 1:
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder,...

[Flemavenger]

Nine Lotus Petals Falling

I say if two willing adults want to have sex then there is nothing wrong with it. Why would there be? After all marriage is nothing more than a ceremony. Most of the marriages in history, yes, even in the bible, were made not for love but for political and monetary reasons. What really matters is not the ceremony but the relationship. Two loving people having sex is a beautiful thing, whether they are married or not. Marriage is just a legal binding of the two people.

Because God desires that we be married to protect the family unit. It is common nowadays for couples to live together before getting married, as though they are "testing to see what the relationship will be like", however you are statistically more likely to get a divorce if you lived together before marriage. The family unit is vastly important for all areas of society, be it social morality or the economy. Throughout history, when the family begins to break down, so does the culture.

[AngryRobotsInc.]

Flemavenger

Because God desires that we be married to protect the family unit. It is common nowadays for couples to live together before getting married, as though they are "testing to see what the relationship will be like", however you are statistically more likely to get a divorce if you lived together before marriage. The family unit is vastly important for all areas of society, be it social morality or the economy. Throughout history, when the family begins to break down, so does the culture.

Which family unit would that be? The nuclear family? That's hardly the norm all over the world, and last I checked it's actually a minority in family set ups.

[Le Soleil Neigeux]

Flemavenger

Le Soleil Neigeux

It's the general consensus that premarital sex is a sin. However, no one has ever explained to me why... In my biblical studies, I haven't been able to find any outward mention of premarital sex and it's moral standing at all.

Just wondering about the general opinion on sex outside of marriage.

Is it wrong? Why?
What makes it ok?
Should the topic be concerned with religion at all?

If you have a viewpoint, please support it! 3nodding

Wikipedia

Fornication, sometimes referred to as "premarital sex", is a term which refers to any sexual activity between consenting unmarried partners.

KJV

1 Corinthians 6:
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abuser of themselves with mankind,

KJV

Romans 1:
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder,...

This all depends on what translation you use:

NLT - "Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality..."

NIV - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders..."

and my favorite,

YLT - "Have ye not known that the unrighteous the reign of God shall not inherit? be not led astray; neither whoremongers, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor sodomites..."

the same can be done for the Romans verse... seems pretty vague to me...

[Flemavenger]

Le Soleil Neigeux

Flemavenger

Le Soleil Neigeux

It's the general consensus that premarital sex is a sin. However, no one has ever explained to me why... In my biblical studies, I haven't been able to find any outward mention of premarital sex and it's moral standing at all.

Just wondering about the general opinion on sex outside of marriage.

Is it wrong? Why?
What makes it ok?
Should the topic be concerned with religion at all?

If you have a viewpoint, please support it! 3nodding

Wikipedia

Fornication, sometimes referred to as "premarital sex", is a term which refers to any sexual activity between consenting unmarried partners.

KJV

1 Corinthians 6:
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abuser of themselves with mankind,

KJV

Romans 1:
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder,...

This all depends on what translation you use:

NLT - "Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality..."

NIV - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders..."

and my favorite,

YLT - "Have ye not known that the unrighteous the reign of God shall not inherit? be not led astray; neither whoremongers, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor sodomites..."

the same can be done for the Romans verse... seems pretty vague to me...

The NIV and the NLT are translations of the KJV into modern language. As far as I'm concerned whatever these two say that is different from the KJV is the result of biases and opinions. The YLT is the only one which you have a point on. Would you mind posting the YLT translation of the scripture in Romans for us to discuss?

[Le Soleil Neigeux]

Sure!

"having been filled with all unrighteousness, whoredom, wickedness, covetousness, malice; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil dispositions; whisperers"

Speaking of biases and opinions, it's interesting to take into consideration how much editing the Bible has gone through over the years, what with the Catholic church taking over in Europe and, well, making it say what they wanted... not to mention the King's church... of course, that's a whole different discussion! 3nodding

[Flemavenger]

Le Soleil Neigeux

Sure!

"having been filled with all unrighteousness, whoredom, wickedness, covetousness, malice; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil dispositions; whisperers"

Speaking of biases and opinions, it's interesting to take into consideration how much editing the Bible has gone through over the years, what with the Catholic church taking over in Europe and, well, making it say what they wanted... not to mention the King's church... of course, that's a whole different discussion! 3nodding

YLT Jeramiah 3:
6 And Jehovah saith unto me, in the days of Josiah the king, `Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? She is going on every high mountain, and unto the place of every green tree, and committeth fornication there.

[Flemavenger]

Now, in my studies, the Greek word that Young was translating into "whoredom" was "porneia". The modern definition of the word "fornication" is premarital-sex, but "porneia" better means "any form of sexual immorality", which is why Young translated it as whoredom instead of fornication. However, the fact that he translated the scripture in Jeramiah as fornication means he was using the modern definition of fornication, showing that premarital sex is a sin.

[Icysnowgirl]

Some times I feel that religion was used as another form of law to help keep society in order. By looking at it through that view point, it is easier to see why the ancient people viewed sex before marriage as a sin. It makes it harder to manage people and to ensure that the children that would come from such unions would be cared for. They didn't have birth control and ways to control population as effectively as we do today, so by making sure that people are scared to have sex before marriage, they are better able to ensure that the number of unwanted children stay low. Works fine and dandy in theory, but life and social theory don't always mesh well.

There is a beautiful book that I'm reading, a translation of Amour et mariage that is written by a spiritual leader a few decades ago. He touches upon the idea that it is worse for two people to be married and not love each other but have sex then for a person to have sex with someone they truely and honestly love and aren't married to. He stresses that love was Jesus's ultimate message and that we shouldn't allow ourselves to kill our souls with duty if there is no love.

The defination of words changes over time, is the adultery we think of the same as the adultery that was penned thousands of years ago?

Flemavenger; Where did you get your statistics? And beware of confusing corelation with cause and effect.

[Le Soleil Neigeux]

Flemavenger

Le Soleil Neigeux

Sure!

"having been filled with all unrighteousness, whoredom, wickedness, covetousness, malice; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil dispositions; whisperers"

Speaking of biases and opinions, it's interesting to take into consideration how much editing the Bible has gone through over the years, what with the Catholic church taking over in Europe and, well, making it say what they wanted... not to mention the King's church... of course, that's a whole different discussion! 3nodding

YLT Jeramiah 3:
6 And Jehovah saith unto me, in the days of Josiah the king, `Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? She is going on every high mountain, and unto the place of every green tree, and committeth fornication there.

KJV - "The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot."

Tag! You're it!

Ima go on to bed! Thanks for the discussion, though! Keep it up! biggrin