Population Control vs. Mass Murder

[Lychee Bae]

over population is a myth

[Michael Noire]

over population isn't a myth, its a serious problem like Leprosy or the Black plague, but just because it's a serious problem doesn't mean there's only one final solution. Around 2-4 million people are born in the United States every year. It stands to reason that deaths should roughly match these figures, and it is known that the world record for elderly isn't passing the 120 year mark. Somewhere in this mess we can determine - and the same applies to every country - whether it is worth forcing life extension laws and options upon the general populous. When birth rates are extremely low, obviously you want the society to be as safe and healthy as possible, but when birth rates are high, in the middle of a high population and lower resources, it doesn't make sense to try to keep everyone living to the age of 100+. When we choose to fight disease, cancer, drunk driving, war, or domestic violence and murder, we have to take into consideration two basic facts:

#1, everyone is going to die eventually
#2 sometimes (not always) a higher population in a country with limited resources can be detrimental to itself and future generations

Responses in terms of logistics have largely been through centralized authorities, but I've found individual responses are much better at checking the populous. Even Socrates opposed unwanted life extension measures that have become a hallmark of modern society. We glorify how many tubes and drugs it takes to keep our vegetative elders alive in a tortured state and manifest that sacrifice with enormous medical bills and destroyed families.

[r00en]

Population control should be the ability to control the birth rate and the amount of children conceived by on couple. If any at all. Now the way to do this is tricky,

do you force women to take a birth control pill? Or do you find a way to regulate the female body to stop it from reproducing without the help of a doctor?
And then is it the male for female who should be changed/fixed/regulated?
Is that a choice?

Without all those questions aside that is the only safe way for population control. In some movies that depict the 'future' most notably off the top of my head, Starship Troopers. A female soldier states that she wants to have a baby and it is easier to get a license to do so if you have enlisted. Maybe this is a good idea. Allow people who make good life decisions to have children but then..

What is a good life decision?
What about people who are simply down on their luck?
Who decides all these things?



Murder while can work as a morbid version of population control is taking the life of a human being or creature after it has a life. Depending on when people decided life starts I find with this it's best to say after birth. Just to keep it simple. Taking life does decrease the population, this is a true fact but then you run into the issue of morality.

Is it acceptable to take a life for the sake of others?
How many lives justify how many other lives?
Who is picked and why?
At what age are you an acceptable candidate?
Who kills these people


We do kick ourselves in the a** by keeping people alive as long as possible and while this is a nice idea in theory it ends up more or less a determent to the rest of the community if not population as a while. No one wants to die but it's a part of life and if you are 89+ and living in a home and are unable to even walked to the bathroom alone the only thing you really do is help create a job for one nurse. And while that is within itself helpful the recourse you consume on a daily basis doesn't even out. Between drugs, food and general care. Is that fair? Hmm...

[Anouska]

Voluntary Human Extinction Movement?

[NegaScott_7x7]

I didn't learn about population control in school. I didn't even hear that phrase until about a year ago.

Its a fine line when it comes to population control. I don't think we'll ever control it because we feel our rights are being stepped on if we are told what we can and can't do with our own lives and bodies, which I think is true, but at the same time a lot of stupid people are having children and don't know what they're doing.
The idea of needing a license to have kids has come up and a lot of people like that. But when It comes to that, I'd be worried about who gets to say what in that situation. If you really want a kid and you can take care of it, there may still be someone saying you can't because of whatever reason.
Or also the idea of birth control for men. If you're going to control something, I think it should be equal parts man and woman, its not fair to just go after women when men have a part in making children too. Its a two person process.

I think we keep a lot of things around to keep killing people.
Wars kill plenty of people.
Things which cause cancer are in just about everything now, including your deodorant.
Food is practically toxic, but really good tasting.
AIDS/HIV is killing a crapton of people now.
And crime.