Fall For Fame
blackheartgirl2
Fall For Fame
I'd bite into your face...
I guess what I'm saying is, even if you weren't born with Adam and Eve's sin, you're born with an evil heart, which may very well be the definition of sin in this case. Adam and Eve ate of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and we are the descendants of them, so we inherit this knowledge.
In any case, Adam and Eve sinned when man was flawless, I don't think we're going to not sin.
... just to be close to your eyes.
How could Adam and Eve had sinned if they were flawless?
We have always had free will right? Even Adam and Eve so they always had the possibility to sin and wouldn't have been 100% flawless.
Your definition of perfect and mine apparently are different. In my eyes, being forced not to steal out of the cookie jar is less perfect than being tempted to, but choosing not to.
... just to be close to your eyes.
You didn't even define "your" definition. You said Adam and Eve were flawless.
Flawless: without any imperfections or defects; perfect (Oxford Dictionary)
Perfect: free from any flaw or defect in condition or quality; faultless (ibid.)
Faultless: free from defect or error (ibid.)
What does the Tanakh actually say?
"See, this alone I found, that God made man upright, but they have sought out many schemes." (Eccl. 7:29)
I do not see "perfect" in this verse. Let's try a different verse.
"You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, till unrighteousness was found in you." (Ezek. 28:15)
Well, let's observe Job.
"There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job, and that man was blameless and upright, one who feared God and turned away from evil." (Job 1:1)
That word "upright" is the same Hebrew word as found in Ecclesiastes 7:29. The King James Version actually uses the word "perfect" in place of "blameless". The problem is, there is nothing in the Tanakh that says that human beings have this thing called "original sin". Anyone who is upright can easily commit a wrongdoing. In this case, Adam and Eve were upright until they sinned.
To say they were flawless, however, is incorrect. If they were, then they should have never been capable of sinning. According to Jesus, whom you believe in, a good tree bears good fruit and a bad tree bears bad fruit, and a good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor a bad tree bear good fruit. By that logic, Adam and Eve should not have sinned.
Fall For Fame
I'd bite into your face...
We were given free will, but were created perfect. Having free will doesn't make you imperfect. Until you decide to disobey, you are perfect. What you're describing isn't even human, more like a robot.
... just to be close to your eyes.
There is no such thing as free will. Even if there was, the only thing that could be acted out from a perfect person would be morally perfect acts.
If the description is not human, but more like a robot, then God is a robot, since He cannot do evil.
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Yes, original sin is inherited from generations going back to Adam and Eve.
Only if you believe in that.
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Who said that God never forgave those two? Just because you punish your children does not mean you don't love them anymore.
It also does not mean that you punish your grandchild(ren) for the fault of your child(ren). Yet, that's what most Christians would like for people to believe.
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But his law was disobeyed and just punishment had to be exercised.
A place in Gehenna. I know most people who wouldn't throw their children into the fiery pits of Gehenna for all of eternity.
