My Argument Against the Argument Against Christianity

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Mainerd

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Thank you for proving the theorem that you shouldn't be taken seriously.

[Mainerd]

GOD puts words on peoples' hearts to speak in order to lift up someone or give them a message that they need, thats how the Bible was written. So by NO MEANS am I stating that I feel myself superior to anyone else. We are all succeptible to the same influences.

[Razten Mizuten]

Mainerd

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First of all, no unjustified, or snarky remarks, please be civilized.

Allow me to begin by stating three points:
1.) I am 16 years of age, so not a lot of credibility here.
2.) I am certainly NO scientist, and do not have the full perspective from other religious views.
3.) I am biased, arguing from the Christian perspective, and leaving you to argue from either scientific, or other religious standpoint.

Anyways, I figure if God was created by man, man would have created a God that allowed immoral behavior that man would condone (I.E. adultery, do what feels good)


How could God let this happen?
God has given us all the gift of free-will, meaning we have the ability to lust, persecute unjustly, also referred to as "h8ing" (an action commonly performed by h8rs.) and If God did not give us free will, we would be like mindless robots, unable to make decisions on our own. God would rather see us make the choice on our own to follow his ways, rather than force us, just like our fathers shouldn't force us to work for any one career our whole lives, same concept. But since God has given us free will, it is human nature to abuse it, and make wrong to others, even by holding something against others we are either hurting them, or ourselves. Often by holding a grudge, we also sometimes feel the need for vengeance. Although vengeance may be thrilling for the moment, it only results in more hatred, therefore more vengeance. and thus the cycle begins.
There would be no hatred in the world, nor would their be sickness if it were not for sin resulting from free-will. I'm sure we all know the story, In Genesis, God creates the first man and woman, Adam and Eve, and Satan, under the guise of a serpent, dupes Eve into eating a fruit from the Tree of Knowledge, where God has commanded Adam and Eve not to partake. Whether you believe this is true or not, is none of my business, however all evil on earth, (sickness, natural disasters) can be traced back to free will, and disobedience to God.

O HAI! Just making sure you're still awake.

Cristians are freaks/jerks/elitist snobs
Quote-Unquote Christians, who claim to have faith in God and have accepted Jesus as their savior, yet gossip about people behind their backs, are predjudiced against other minorities (LGBT, ect) and are narrow minded. If you think TRUE believers in Christ are like any of these things, please refer yourself to my previous section. HUMAN NATURE. God created all people the same, and he certainly does not wish for his own followers to attack others due to their ethnicity, lifestyle, sexual orientation, ect. However, the Bible does not condone homosexuality. I'd rather not get into it much, on risk of offending someone's beliefs, so I'll just say this. True Christians are true to their biblical beliefs. They will not persecute anyone due to lifestyle, ethnicity, or sexual orientation., God states that everyone regardless of these things, should be treated with the same kindness that your closest friends be treated with.

Once, I was speaking to one of my friends in school, and he made an unjustified remark that I admit it was slightly offended by, although I wouldn't say it surprised me. He described Christians as *ahem* "Crackheads." Sad people, sad. The most sensible people I know are Christian, (not saying any of you are or have the potential to be less sensible btw) and they are some of the happiest people on Earth. Nowadays, most people harbor timidness and hostility as everyday defenses, but in such a mean world, who wouldn't? everyone is guilty of it at some point, after all, no one living and I mean NO ONE is perfect. But just because someone is strong enough to still be friendly, compassionate, kind, or jubilant, does NOT make them a crackhead, they are just gifted, and made strong, and EVERYONE has the power to find happiness, whether it's by accepting Jesus and following the path of the Lord, or by discovering whatever makes you truly happy.

Alright, I have a feeling the more I type the less anyone will want to read, and 2:15 AM is pretty late for me to chill on the internet. Hope to see an epic conflagration of replies, peace be with you all.

I'm not entirely sure what exactly you're arguing against here. Is it the view that people do bad things by not following God's plan? If so then let me say that it entirely unclear what God's plan is. For example what Ten Commandments do YOU follow? Read the passage in Deuteronomy. I count at least twelve. My point is that God's plan isn't always clear.

Also you're argument doesn't directly disprove the points against Christianity, nor does it explain why atheists aren't running around fornicating with anything that moves.

[P a v i d]

Well you already discounted yourself with me just by the title. Scientifically, you can't prove anything wrong. You do tests to show what something is rather than what it is not.

I did not bother to read the whole "essay" you decided to write and instead I am going to give what I know people say when it comes to God.

When someone says, "Proof of God is everything around us."

People will tell you:
That's appeal to ignorance, i.e. "I don't know, therefore GOD."
Yes, beauty is all around us and we are curious creatures that wonder and think. But beauty in and of itself isn't proof of anything other than that we appreciate beauty. To quote Douglas Adams: "Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?"


While we're on the subject of beauty, the world we live in is also mired with ugliness and suffering. Therefore one could argue that such incredible unjust suffering is in fact evidence that no benevolent, omnipotent, omniscient God could reasonably or logically exist. To quote the philosopher Epicurus (341 - 240): "“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

Further more, even ignoring all the above: WHICH god? Why would the Christian god be any more true or real than, say, Allah? Or Jehovah? Or the Hindu gods? Or Thor / Odin? Or Ahura Mazda? There is no empirical reason why any god would exist over another. The adherents of most of these faiths usually claim that their god is the one and only true god and that god's holy book is absolutely true, because their holy book says so, which is circular logic.

There are other arguments to different questions but this was the one I had been researching recently so there.

[Artorious_75]

You title would be better understood it it was:
My Argument Against Atheism.

[Neophenx de Chrysalya]

His April

Being biased against Christianity, I felt no desire to read that long post.

However, I did catch the snippet about Adam and Eve.

That reminded me of the Muslim take on the creation story.

In the Muslim interpretation, Adam and Eve not only are the only ones affected by their "original sin," but they also are both equally as guilty of the fall from grace. Eve is not criminalized in Islam like she is in Christianity/Judaism.

Therefore, Muslims do not believe in the concept of original sin because every man and woman is responsible for his/her own sins, and also women and men are equal because not only did Allah create Adam and Eve equally, but they also brought about the expulsion out of Eden equally.

I like Islam better than Christianity.

Oddly enough, my Christian pastor pointed out how the Bible seems to suggest that Adam was the original one at fault. Sure, Eve was the first to eat the Apple, but Adam was the one who God specifically told not to eat the fruit. Adam could have been a man and say "No" when Eve told him to have a bite, but instead he decided to listen to his stomach, and afterward HE blamed Eve for his own bad choice.

Moral of the story: Not all Christians victimize women because of Eve. If you're going to judge, judge by the heart of the individual rather than grouping all people who say they believe something as one whole blob. I'll be the first to admit a lot of people call themselves Christians but make us all look bad. Westboro Baptists, anyone?

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[thefluffygamer]

Mainerd

Recusant Raskolnikov

I scanned that and came to the conclusion that you're a blind bible thumper.

Are you a blind bible thumper?

First of all in order to fully comprehend something you must observe it in full light, and not arrive at pre-assumed conclusions. Besides, I did warn that it was long, so if you don't feel like reading the whole thing, don't make assumptions. Just like any book, you can't say it sucks until you've read it and understood it from start to finish,

But some people spend their entire lives trying to understand and interpret the Bible. How can you, at 16 years, understand what takes many people a lifetime, and argue about it?
I'm not trying to be hostile or anything, just try and point out what you said doesn't quite make sense.

[Rainbowed-Panda]

Mainerd

Anyways, I figure if God was created by man, man would have created a God that allowed immoral behavior that man would condone (I.E. adultery, do what feels good)

Try again. Religion and moral law were not made to justify our hedonism or to tell us to do things that we enjoy. We do that without religion and even with religion. Laws, morality, religions, etc. were made for the simple purpose to control those impulses for the betterment of society as a whole. For instance, I might feel angry toward a person. What is stopping me from grabbing a lead pipe and beating him in the head repeatedly? Exactly, morality and law. So, the laws themselves were made more for natural control than to justify hedonism.

Mainerd

How could God let this happen?
God has given us all the gift of free-will, meaning we have the ability to lust, persecute unjustly, also referred to as "h8ing" (an action commonly performed by h8rs.) and If God did not give us free will, we would be like mindless robots, unable to make decisions on our own. God would rather see us make the choice on our own to follow his ways, rather than force us, just like our fathers shouldn't force us to work for any one career our whole lives, same concept. But since God has given us free will, it is human nature to abuse it, and make wrong to others, even by holding something against others we are either hurting them, or ourselves. Often by holding a grudge, we also sometimes feel the need for vengeance. Although vengeance may be thrilling for the moment, it only results in more hatred, therefore more vengeance. and thus the cycle begins.

There would be no hatred in the world, nor would their be sickness if it were not for sin resulting from free-will. I'm sure we all know the story, In Genesis, God creates the first man and woman, Adam and Eve, and Satan, under the guise of a serpent, dupes Eve into eating a fruit from the Tree of Knowledge, where God has commanded Adam and Eve not to partake. Whether you believe this is true or not, is none of my business, however all evil on earth, (sickness, natural disasters) can be traced back to free will, and disobedience to God.

And yet, he gives us free will and gives us the option of following or burning in Hell for all eternity. How in the world is that an acceptable choice to make? How would one's free will be justified by such a thing? Also, based on his supposed omnitience, He knows how we will roll in the first place, so the very concept of our "free will" is called into question.

Mainerd

O HAI! Just making sure you're still awake.

Howdy doody to you good sir

Mainerd

Christians are freaks/jerks/elitist snobs
Quote-Unquote Christians, who claim to have faith in God and have accepted Jesus as their savior, yet gossip about people behind their backs, are predjudiced against other minorities (LGBT, ect) and are narrow minded. If you think TRUE believers in Christ are like any of these things, please refer yourself to my previous section. HUMAN NATURE. God created all people the same, and he certainly does not wish for his own followers to attack others due to their ethnicity, lifestyle, sexual orientation, ect. However, the Bible does not condone homosexuality. I'd rather not get into it much, on risk of offending someone's beliefs, so I'll just say this. True Christians are true to their biblical beliefs. They will not persecute anyone due to lifestyle, ethnicity, or sexual orientation., God states that everyone regardless of these things, should be treated with the same kindness that your closest friends be treated with.

Once, I was speaking to one of my friends in school, and he made an unjustified remark that I admit it was slightly offended by, although I wouldn't say it surprised me. He described Christians as *ahem* "Crackheads." Sad people, sad. The most sensible people I know are Christian, (not saying any of you are or have the potential to be less sensible btw) and they are some of the happiest people on Earth. Nowadays, most people harbor timidness and hostility as everyday defenses, but in such a mean world, who wouldn't? everyone is guilty of it at some point, after all, no one living and I mean NO ONE is perfect. But just because someone is strong enough to still be friendly, compassionate, kind, or jubilant, does NOT make them a crackhead, they are just gifted, and made strong, and EVERYONE has the power to find happiness, whether it's by accepting Jesus and following the path of the Lord, or by discovering whatever makes you truly happy.

Wait, He doesn't wish His followers to harm others or to attack others, and yet He puts that it is okay to stone bad children, kill homosexuals, etc.? just curious......

Also, as you keep saying "H8rs gonna H8", the whole thing about Christians being called crackheads is a prime example, so i fail to see its relevance here

[jb-pichu]

Before any others bash me for supposedly bashing the Bible, I will say this - I view it as great for training in righteousness, and I also believe Jesus Christ is God in flesh...however, here's a fact.


Many religious texts speak of a Creator of All, yet refer to Him by a different name than the Christian God Yahweh. Jehovah is actually NOT God's name, but is a poor translation and mixture of Greek and Hebrew. The name is an impossibility. We view Ahura Mazda as a false god. But again, the texts resonate often with Old Testament books, and many ancient texts were written LONG before Genesis. Same being, different name. Plus, remember that man was trying to deal with Spiritual things and came to their own conclusions.

For instance, in the Sumerian tablets of Creation, they speak of a being called Eya. Here's the thing - these tablets were written millennia before even Genesis was written. Secondly, archaeologists have found evidence that suggests human history goes as far back as even 24,000 B.C. This shakes man's theology of mankind being around for only 6,000 years.

Going back to Eya, when you look at the Scripture where Moses hears God tell him, "I am who I am," and "Tell them 'I AM' has sent you," clearly saying that would make no sense at all! When looking in the original Hebrew language, the following is read: "Eyeh Asher Eyeh," or: "I am he who is called Eyeh." Then the next part would read, "Tell them 'Eyeh' has sent you." The Sumerians, or whomever was there at the time, would have immediately remembered Eya from the Sumerian tablets and realized that Moses was actually speaking to God.

Christianity IS man-made. However, the relationship with the One True God isn't. Jesus is God in flesh, and so we come to the Father through him. Christianity states we are sinners saved by grace. But this is not scriptural. The Scriptures continually talk about God calling us saints now, that we have the Righteousness of Christ, because He IS our righteousness, holiness and salvation.

Christianity states that we must constantly ask for forgiveness. But, haven't all sins been dealt with past, present and future? All we need to do is accept what Jesus Christ did and move forward into our Destiny.

Christianity states that we must go to church on Sunday. Granted, the believers DID meet the first day of the week.....BUT, this was the first day of the week on the JEWISH calendar, not the Gregorian one. And because the Church has Jewish roots, the Sabbath would still be on the seventh day, which truly begins Friday at sundown and continues until Saturday at sundown.

Christianity states that the Pastor (Shepherd) is to do the preaching. However, this too is not correct. The Pastor watches over the flock. Another is preaching, like a Teacher, a Prophet, etc. But, if a Pastor has been given many gifts such as preaching, great! No problem!


One more thing and I'll get off my soap box. We are saved by Grace, so why do so many still follow the Law? The Law cannot mix with Grace - the two are incompatible.

"Oh, but we have to follow the Law!"

Uh...actually, no we don't. Christ fulfilled the Law, thus doing away with it; why do we continue to harp to people of all the do's and dont's and realize that we simply need to love God and love others as ourselves. In that way, we HAVE fulfilled the Law. Secondly, we need to stop focusing on our sins. Jesus has already forgiven EVERY sin we have ever committed, including our future ones! We just need to accept and MOVE ON.

God Bless!