My Argument Against the Argument Against Christianity

[Mainerd]

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First of all, no unjustified, or snarky remarks, please be civilized.

Allow me to begin by stating three points:
1.) I am 16 years of age, so not a lot of credibility here.
2.) I am certainly NO scientist, and do not have the full perspective from other religious views.
3.) I am biased, arguing from the Christian perspective, and leaving you to argue from either scientific, or other religious standpoint.

Anyways, I figure if God was created by man, man would have created a God that allowed immoral behavior that man would condone (I.E. adultery, do what feels good)


How could God let this happen?
God has given us all the gift of free-will, meaning we have the ability to lust, persecute unjustly, also referred to as "h8ing" (an action commonly performed by h8rs.) and If God did not give us free will, we would be like mindless robots, unable to make decisions on our own. God would rather see us make the choice on our own to follow his ways, rather than force us, just like our fathers shouldn't force us to work for any one career our whole lives, same concept. But since God has given us free will, it is human nature to abuse it, and make wrong to others, even by holding something against others we are either hurting them, or ourselves. Often by holding a grudge, we also sometimes feel the need for vengeance. Although vengeance may be thrilling for the moment, it only results in more hatred, therefore more vengeance. and thus the cycle begins.
There would be no hatred in the world, nor would their be sickness if it were not for sin resulting from free-will. I'm sure we all know the story, In Genesis, God creates the first man and woman, Adam and Eve, and Satan, under the guise of a serpent, dupes Eve into eating a fruit from the Tree of Knowledge, where God has commanded Adam and Eve not to partake. Whether you believe this is true or not, is none of my business, however all evil on earth, (sickness, natural disasters) can be traced back to free will, and disobedience to God.

O HAI! Just making sure you're still awake.

Cristians are freaks/jerks/elitist snobs
Quote-Unquote Christians, who claim to have faith in God and have accepted Jesus as their savior, yet gossip about people behind their backs, are predjudiced against other minorities (LGBT, ect) and are narrow minded. If you think TRUE believers in Christ are like any of these things, please refer yourself to my previous section. HUMAN NATURE. God created all people the same, and he certainly does not wish for his own followers to attack others due to their ethnicity, lifestyle, sexual orientation, ect. However, the Bible does not condone homosexuality. I'd rather not get into it much, on risk of offending someone's beliefs, so I'll just say this. True Christians are true to their biblical beliefs. They will not persecute anyone due to lifestyle, ethnicity, or sexual orientation., God states that everyone regardless of these things, should be treated with the same kindness that your closest friends be treated with.

Once, I was speaking to one of my friends in school, and he made an unjustified remark that I admit it was slightly offended by, although I wouldn't say it surprised me. He described Christians as *ahem* "Crackheads." Sad people, sad. The most sensible people I know are Christian, (not saying any of you are or have the potential to be less sensible btw) and they are some of the happiest people on Earth. Nowadays, most people harbor timidness and hostility as everyday defenses, but in such a mean world, who wouldn't? everyone is guilty of it at some point, after all, no one living and I mean NO ONE is perfect. But just because someone is strong enough to still be friendly, compassionate, kind, or jubilant, does NOT make them a crackhead, they are just gifted, and made strong, and EVERYONE has the power to find happiness, whether it's by accepting Jesus and following the path of the Lord, or by discovering whatever makes you truly happy.

Alright, I have a feeling the more I type the less anyone will want to read, and 2:15 AM is pretty late for me to chill on the internet. Hope to see an epic conflagration of replies, peace be with you all.

[Recusant Raskolnikov]

I scanned that and came to the conclusion that you're a blind bible thumper.

Are you a blind bible thumper?

[Pale Maiden April]

Being biased against Christianity, I felt no desire to read that long post.

However, I did catch the snippet about Adam and Eve.

That reminded me of the Muslim take on the creation story.

In the Muslim interpretation, Adam and Eve not only are the only ones affected by their "original sin," but they also are both equally as guilty of the fall from grace. Eve is not criminalized in Islam like she is in Christianity/Judaism.

Therefore, Muslims do not believe in the concept of original sin because every man and woman is responsible for his/her own sins, and also women and men are equal because not only did Allah create Adam and Eve equally, but they also brought about the expulsion out of Eden equally.

I like Islam better than Christianity.

[Toddenham]

The word "Christianity" is in the title of this thread.

Now have fun trying to get anyone to take it seriously. :/

[Dothika]

Oh look, it's this thread again.

[I Shall Grant You NoMercy]

Dose that mean you hate gays, abortion,woman, and free will?

[Mainerd]

Recusant Raskolnikov

I scanned that and came to the conclusion that you're a blind bible thumper.

Are you a blind bible thumper?

First of all in order to fully comprehend something you must observe it in full light, and not arrive at pre-assumed conclusions. Besides, I did warn that it was long, so if you don't feel like reading the whole thing, don't make assumptions. Just like any book, you can't say it sucks until you've read it and understood it from start to finish,

[Inscriven]

Mainerd

Anyways, I figure if God was created by man, man would have created a God that allowed immoral behavior that man would condone (I.E. adultery, do what feels good)

That wouldn't make sense, man would not need to create the concept of a God to validate their natural hedonism. We could very much indulge ourselves without even entertaining the idea of God.

The value of man creating God is control. A unseen but omnipresent and onimpotent force that can be brutal and violent, a being that must be feared, and certain things must be avoided to incur this guy's wrath and oh, these guys in the funny costumes know just what God doesn't like so you don't do them. God can (and is) used as a tool of fear to keep the faithful in line. This works in modern politics too, Conservatives are more prone to respond to appeals to authority, and to buy into fearmongering tactics than liberals are, and if you want proof of that you can look into the rhetoric done by the Republican candidates this election cycle, the kind of commercials that are on Fox news, all of them use an invisible evil to prey on the people to either buy a product, watch a show, or vote this way.

The threat of excommunication from the Church for going against the church's wishes was how the Catholic Church controlled so much of Europe for so long.

[Mitubati]

It's pretty obvious man probably made up God for control.

[Rear Admiral SixtyNine]

My stance is this

******** you and your phony cult of subservience

I will not be respecteful
I will not be nice

I find religion as a whole an insult to the general intelligence of humanity, and a disrespect to our ability to forge our own society

I will do what I can, when I can, to insult, antagonize, and offend religious people.
I make it my business to upset religious people, and I must admit I glean a little satisfaction from it.

I will not tolerate this tyrannical, cultist nonsense in my life

[Recusant Raskolnikov]

Mainerd

Recusant Raskolnikov

I scanned that and came to the conclusion that you're a blind bible thumper.

Are you a blind bible thumper?

First of all in order to fully comprehend something you must observe it in full light, and not arrive at pre-assumed conclusions. Besides, I did warn that it was long, so if you don't feel like reading the whole thing, don't make assumptions. Just like any book, you can't say it sucks until you've read it and understood it from start to finish,

To be perfectly honest, your signature pretty much confirms your status as a generic Christian zealot. I don't feel like reading a dull and drawn-out rant peppered with references to Jesus anyway.

And that's the worst argument I've ever heard against assumptions, if a book's s**t halfway through, I seriously doubt a solid second half will actually improve my opinion of it to any significant degree.

[Mainerd]

I Shall Grant You NoMercy

Dose that mean you hate gays, abortion,woman, and free will?

I do my absolute best to hate no one. I love free will, because it means we're not a mindless robots programmed for one purpose. Men and Women are both beautiful in God's eyes, I don't believe that one should be treated with any less compassion or respect than the other. As for abortions, I have close friends that are admirable people that had them, in one case, because this person was RAPED against her will, and she had no control over herself getting pregnant, and her family, being in a desparate financial situation, let alone her, being 14 at the time, could not support a baby. Although for my own ethical reasons, I believe that their are alternatives to abortion, such as adoption, foster care, ect. Plus, if we as humans cared about what was moral, rather than what makes us feel good, we would be able to prevent more loss of potential human greatness, just think, that unborn infant could have been the next Einstien or Ghandi.

[Venomous Vexation]

I really hope one day I can be Christian.

[Seeker-of-Justice]

I am sorry to say this. But these comments are right.

God has given us free will to either accept, or deny that which is right or wrong. And has given us the ability to choose what we see as right or wrong.

However, this is not the place to do this work.
1) you are hurting the cause more than you are helping by being so blunt and out coming with your assumptions that any who do not believe in god are going to hell.
2) you need to have a lot more to go off of to prove your point than general feelings of human nature. Because although your God is "all powerful" He has given humanity the ability to learn. And by doing so, we have gleaned a lot from our nature and our pasts. So personal feelings are out the window.

So next time you try to start a debate, try to be a little more prepared.

And in defence to all of you who hate on Christians, I would like to see your proof that a God does not exist. Because if you think that the universe was created by chance then I want you to prove me wrong that my God did not create this world.

And in my opinion, as long as a religion takes humanity to God as their savior, then I do not have a problem with it. It is close-minded thinking that has lead Christianity down its path and perhaps we should learn from our mistakes eh?