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My favorite has to be the finding of the runes by Odin. Two lines of Edda, but so much power.

Is that the part where he's hanging upside down from a tree, Deoridhe? *vaguely recalls a story like that*

Not upside down - that's the Hanged Man in the Tarot. Odin hangs from a spear through his chest.


Ouch eek

Man, I really know next to nothing of the stories, I'm noticing. sweatdrop
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Man, I really know next to nothing of the stories, I'm noticing. sweatdrop

Well, they tend to be very complex, and we've lost a lot over the last 2000 years. I know most of the Odin stories since I focused on him when I first became Asatru.
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Man, I really know next to nothing of the stories, I'm noticing. sweatdrop

Well, they tend to be very complex, and we've lost a lot over the last 2000 years. I know most of the Odin stories since I focused on him when I first became Asatru.
How much do you know about Thor? I want to learn as much of him (and the other gods) as I can.
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How much do you know about Thor? I want to learn as much of him (and the other gods) as I can.


Check out the links posted a few messages back, Vince. That oughta be a good place to start, I'm thinking.
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How much do you know about Thor? I want to learn as much of him (and the other gods) as I can.


Check out the links posted a few messages back, Vince. That oughta be a good place to start, I'm thinking.
I was looking for more of a personal opinion of him (I guess) but I'll check the links out too. I should have phrased that better sweatdrop
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How much do you know about Thor? I want to learn as much of him (and the other gods) as I can.

Ur, I've dealt with him some and read his stories, but I'm a dedicant of his father, not him. He is called Protector of Mankind, though, for a good reason; of all the gods, he seems the most generous toward any random human.
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How much do you know about Thor? I want to learn as much of him (and the other gods) as I can.

Ur, I've dealt with him some and read his stories, but I'm a dedicant of his father, not him. He is called Protector of Mankind, though, for a good reason; of all the gods, he seems the most generous toward any random human.
I wonder if that's why the main Asgard Xharecters on Stargate Sg-1 was named Thor? Afterall the majority of the chearcters in Stargate that are no human or Jafa are supossed to be the Gods we worshiped (or in your and Nuri's case still do)
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How much do you know about Thor? I want to learn as much of him (and the other gods) as I can.

Ur, I've dealt with him some and read his stories, but I'm a dedicant of his father, not him. He is called Protector of Mankind, though, for a good reason; of all the gods, he seems the most generous toward any random human.


Which is good, cause I can be random at times whee

I need more information on (all) this stuff. *decides to go a-hunting when she gets back from work* *takes note to bring her saltstick* wink
Once upon a time, when the thread was still full of a harmonious dissent of knowledgeable and random people with a dash of intellect just for show tossed in cause, hey, it looked cool, there was a Gaian called Ulfrikr inn Hrafn.

Don't flatter me by thinking I actually remembered the last part of his name by heart. I knew Ulfrikr, but the only reason the last part is included is because he shows as the first poster in the thread. sweatdrop

Either way! He once explained to me the Wyrd and the Orlog/Urlog. I sort of got it at the time, but recently (read: yesterday) I stumbled across a page that explained the latter term again.

And I figured, hey, maybe you other people learning new stuff wouldn't mind having a readable explanation either.

Deoridhe, if you could, I'd appreciate it if you could either verify the meaning or adjust it where necessary. I can only assume it to be correct, after all, as my memory of Ulfrikr explaining it to me is sadly just that. He explained it to me. Period. sweatdrop

Without further ado..

Germanic Law by Normanii Thiud

Second part of that page is about the Nature of Law, in which the word orlog/urlog is explained as follows..

The very word “law” derives from the Proto-Indo European ur-log (*Proto Indo European -reconstructed) that literally means “that which has been laid down”. This notion of law was tied closely to the Germanic conception of time. In their worldview, the Germanics saw the law as the weight of force given by past actions, in a layering effect upon the present. Thus law was built up over time, by decisions and actions reached in the past, which guide and direct the flow of the future.[16]

Because this model of fate was not preordained, but rather, shaped by the weight of forces in the past, it brought the Germanic legal system into a form of “ancestor worship” of the law; law was revered as customary decisions to be upheld because they had already been set in the Well.[17]


Notes, as found later on the page;

[16] Bauschatz, Paul The Well and the Tree London:1956

[17] The Well of Wyrd, the Germanic well-spring of the fates, who measured the fabric of history past and present to direct the future. Bauschatz.


I wasn't sure they'd be necessary or useful, but I figured I might as well leave 'em in..

As for the organization, as it says on the main page..

The Normannii Thiud aet Reik, sometimes referred to in Heathen circles as "New Normandy", is an ongoing cultural and religious project, attempting to revive the ancestral faith of the Germanic people known to history as the "Normans".

Go see for yourself.

Postal Office in New York for those of you who hang around the area biggrin
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Mmmm, wyrd and orlog - two very difficult concepts to grasp because of their alieness to modern Western thought. ^_^

"That which has been laid down," is a good way to view it. Orlog is the "fate" of the Norse, but it's not "fate" in the sense of, say, Oedipus, who was "fated" to kill his father and marry his mother. The Romans, and thus we Americans, viewed fate as something laid down, inexplicable, and inescapable. I lay this out so you can see this other way of viewing orlog.

(This may be inexact; I grok orlog on a certain level, but I'm not good enough to fully articulate it, yet.)

In contrast, orlog is viewed as that which will happen based on what has occured in the past. Orlog is, to a certain extent, mutable - but the weight of many orlogs can lead to a conclusion no one anticipates. This many orlogs interacting and reinforcing or countering each other is known as "wyrd."

The basic idea is, you make your own future. Your experiences shape your assumptions, your assumptions shape how you respond to new things, your response to new things shapes how the world around you forms, and how the world around you forms shapes your experiences. On the one had, it can be a vicious cycle. On the other hand, you have no one to blame but yourself; this gives you ultimate control, if you take it.
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(This may be inexact; I grok orlog on a certain level, but I'm not good enough to fully articulate it, yet.)

In contrast, orlog is viewed as that which will happen based on what has occured in the past. Orlog is, to a certain extent, mutable - but the weight of many orlogs can lead to a conclusion no one anticipates. This many orlogs interacting and reinforcing or countering each other is known as "wyrd."

The basic idea is, you make your own future. Your experiences shape your assumptions, your assumptions shape how you respond to new things, your response to new things shapes how the world around you forms, and how the world around you forms shapes your experiences. On the one had, it can be a vicious cycle. On the other hand, you have no one to blame but yourself; this gives you ultimate control, if you take it.


I sort of get that.. Hee. I sort of really dig it when I almost get things, but to be honest, it's also just a mite annoying. In any case, I thank you for the addition, Deoridhe. looks like I'll have something to ponder while I do deliveries biggrin

I'll check back again later, though. *waves and is off for a while*
Hmmm.. question though.. How does it work when you adopt someone into your family? Does their orlog mix with yours? Is there a part that stays 'unmixed', or what?
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Hmmm.. question though.. How does it work when you adopt someone into your family? Does their orlog mix with yours? Is there a part that stays 'unmixed', or what?

Ur, while a group may have orlog which determines what happens if they stay as a group, orlog doesn't "mix" per se, and certainly not along blood lines. For instance, the strongest group I'm in right now has no blood relations between any of us, but when something affects one of us, there's a ripple effect through the group. That would be an example of combined orlogs impacting each other.
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Be honest with yourselves.

You're just attention seekers who are trying to be different, aren't you?

You can't seriously claim that there is a legitimate reason to worship/respect gods deities who in all likelihood have never been anything but fictional, can you?

*shrugs* I have personal relevation for my gods' existence, and you are far to intelligent to even try to suggest objective evidence can undermine faith, right?

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