The Willow Of Darkness
Except:
1. They might not actually be free to leave.
2. The restriction might be of a legal nature.
3. There is the fact that such restriction is still wrong and produces an undesirable situation.
4. The ideas in question may gain traction and become the norm for society, then affecting anyone who lives there.
1. Unless someone is being tied down to a chair or held under threat of death, nobody is being forced.
2. They are "legal," in that within the context of said community they exist as law. One can not be a member of said community and break its rules without be excommunicated from it.
3. These restrictions and rules produce the results the community wishes. The results are merely undesirable to you... but again nobody is making you join the community... so what is your problem?
4. The ideas are not, we can not fight a maybe, a hypothetical. We best destroy it... something bad might happen.... what sort of horrible justification is that? More over, if more people wish to become Orthodox, is that not their right to make such a choice? How is what you suggest doing and what you fear the Orthodox might do any different?
The Willow Of Darkness
That is funny because liberal society(assuming this is a liberal society) actually uses it all the time. Our ideas are ways being always shaped and mould to a particular way by the prevent discourses. You just can't see it because it can often be done by absence(i.e not mentioning something) and defining your ideas by what is mentioned(censorship by you never hearing about alternate ways).
For practical reasons, the ideas and alternatives are present. Why should you and the Orthodox Jews have equal right to pursue your lives as you so chose? As long as you life and the Orthodox life does not force upon one another, who are you to care?
The Willow Of Darkness
No, we establish the principle that it is okay to interfere in a given instance, not in every single situations.
Where does the line end? You are entering into the murky waters of, its okay to interfere in the actions, thoughts and activity of a private individual, because their thoughts, actions and activity is not to the liking of another private individual (You). What is to stop the Orthodox from enacting laws against you because they find what you do distasteful?
Which is now what your for, interfering because you don't like them.
The Willow Of Darkness
Yeah well, that is just silly. There are some ideas that are just worthless and should be discarded.
So say's you.
The Willow Of Darkness
The "liberal" world you profess(which is not liberal for a lot of people because they get mistreated by people harbouring ideas about them, which cause them to be discriminated against) is parasitic on the idea building of previous generations, the instances where opposing ideas were suppressed, allowing certain ones to dominate, ones which then allow you to live "freely" further along in time. You are blind to the power of ideas an why having control over them is important because you have never been put in a situation where you've been threatened by an opposing group. You can simply say: "Oh they can simply believe what the want because it doesn't affect people" because you have never been personally threatened by the acts that result from ideas about people. They do have effects. Big ones.
You have no right to be liked, loved and admired by all. I live in an area where my tanner skin is not necessarily welcomed, I am of an ethnic group (I am in fact Jewish) that isn't exactly beloved the world over (Millions consider me part of a devilish conspiracy or two) and I go to a college where department heads can demand conformity in the class room or make your life hell for holding an idea different then there's.
Unless Orthodox Jews are psychic, or unless they are infringing on what you can do with your life or making you be Orthodox, you have no legitimate complaint to lodge.