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I used to be anti-abortion.
However, I started thinking, and I think that you need to put yourself in someone else' shoes. I mean, let's say you had sex, and got pregnant. You are sixteen years of age, and you are a great student. Would you want to throw your life away because of that? I don't think you can call a pregnant teacher a whore. What if it was an accident? Maybe the condom broke. What if you found out your baby was down syndrome, and you knew you didn't have the heart to take care of it. "Put it up for adoption." Who wants to go through all that trouble to have a kid they won't raise? |
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No, abortion is NOT the "right thing to do." Your heart already knows this which is why you pose the question.
Sadly their are ectopic pregancies that must be terminated. There are urgent emergencies when the fetus must perish. But this is always a time of mourning and those who do not mourn the loss of this precious life will suffer many years in denial until they are at last free to mourn and be reconciled for the loss and sorrow they have experienced. Also, to forgive those involved with the abortion is also necessary to peace of mind and reconciliation. heart |
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Shnsun5 I used to be anti-abortion. However, I started thinking, and I think that you need to put yourself in someone else' shoes. I mean, let's say you had sex, and got pregnant. You are sixteen years of age, and you are a great student. Would you want to throw your life away because of that? I don't think you can call a pregnant teacher a whore. What if it was an accident? Maybe the condom broke. What if you found out your baby was down syndrome, and you knew you didn't have the heart to take care of it. "Put it up for adoption." Who wants to go through all that trouble to have a kid they won't raise? It is good to think from someone elses' point of view. And this is comendable if you are able to do this and that you search yourself of understand the plight of another human being. But you are too young to see into the future. Abortion will not save this girl's life and help her to succeed as a student and in her future goals. It will have quite the opposite effect. It will begin to devastate her self esteem and her personal worth and dignity as a human being. It may cause her to lose her faith. I know of such a girl who was kidnapped. She was in her second trimester when she was found. She sought and received an abortion to "fix" her but this only further victimized her as the child she had conceived would have been the greatest joy for her, she said later. She testified that the abortion during the second trimester was the most devastating and horrifying experience of her life, worse than being kidnapped and rapped and tortured for all thsoe months! She deeply regretted that she allowed herself to hate her child because she hated the man who abused her and impregnated her. She came to this realization when many years after she was having fantasies about suffocating her children. She was worried that she would go through with it. Her psychologist explained to her that the fantasies about suffocating her children came from the "suffocating" experience of not only being kidnapped and raped and tortured, but also from the suffocating experience of her family and church leaders railroading her into having the late mid-term abortion. Has anyone the ability to describe this procedure? For I have a document by Justice Kennedy of the US Supreme Court where he has written extensively about second tri-mester aboritons in an opinion to the court when responding to partial birth abortion. He belabored the point of partial birth to go deeply into second trimester which was beyond the call of duty in his opinion. It is well worth reading. |
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Meth, the plural of anecdote is not data.
And nobody suggests, either, that abortion is a decision to be taken lightly; at least, anyone who says it is, has never been in a serious heterosexual romantic relationship, or is just so stupid he's unlikely to be able to pass on his genes. |
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Depends on the woman making the choice, honestly. It's her call, after all.
If she feels that this is the best choice for her and her family, her morals are not affronted by it and she wasn't forced into this decision against her will, then perhaps abortion is the best choice for her. In any other circumstances, it's a flat no. It's not for us to judge what a woman does with her own body. That is her choice to make, and hers alone. |
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paper_phoenix Depends on the woman making the choice, honestly. It's her call, after all. If she feels that this is the best choice for her and her family, her morals are not affronted by it and she wasn't forced into this decision against her will, then perhaps abortion is the best choice for her. In any other circumstances, it's a flat no. It's not for us to judge what a woman does with her own body. That is her choice to make, and hers alone. This should be a forbidden topic on GAIA then. Why discuss it if there is nothing to discuss? |
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Methcalarjalope This should be a forbidden topic on GAIA then. Why discuss it if there is nothing to discuss? Because people have a nasty habit of wanting to discuss the three topics that should never be brought up in mixed company: politics, religion and sex. It's part of our nature to want to air our views on such strong subjects. Human nature aside, was there anything in my post that was on-topic that you'd like to address? |
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Methcalarjalope Shaviv Meth, the plural of anecdote is not data. And nobody suggests, either, that abortion is a decision to be taken lightly; at least, anyone who says it is, has never been in a serious heterosexual romantic relationship, or is just so stupid he's unlikely to be able to pass on his genes. You would know. Thank you for your wisdom. Yes, in fact, I would. |
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paper_phoenix Methcalarjalope This should be a forbidden topic on GAIA then. Why discuss it if there is nothing to discuss? Because people have a nasty habit of wanting to discuss the three topics that should never be brought up in mixed company: politics, religion and sex. It's part of our nature to want to air our views on such strong subjects. Human nature aside, was there anything in my post that was on-topic that you'd like to address? 4laugh Yes! Those are my three favorite subjects. Surely, regarding judgement: I am forbidden to make judgements when it comes to the motive and heart of a person and their worth before Allah. I am free to make judgements about actions all day long. Look at the judgement that Shaviv just made regarding who should pro-create? |
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Shaviv Methcalarjalope Shaviv Meth, the plural of anecdote is not data. And nobody suggests, either, that abortion is a decision to be taken lightly; at least, anyone who says it is, has never been in a serious heterosexual romantic relationship, or is just so stupid he's unlikely to be able to pass on his genes. You would know. Thank you for your wisdom. Yes, in fact, I would. See, here you go! Here is your justice. Let Shaviv be the judge. |
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Methcalarjalope Surely, regarding judgement: I am forbidden to make judgements when it comes to the motive and heart of a person and their worth before Allah. I am free to make judgements about actions all day long. Why the differention between motives and actions? Isn't judging one the same as the other? And where in the Qu'ran does it state that you have the right to judge anyone at all with impunity? Quote: Look at the judgement that Shaviv just made regarding who should pro-create? What Shaviv stated was not a judgment; it was a comment on the mental and emotional maturity of those who claim that the choice to abort is one made lightly that you chose to interpret as a judgment. |
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Methcalarjalope Shaviv Methcalarjalope Shaviv Meth, the plural of anecdote is not data. And nobody suggests, either, that abortion is a decision to be taken lightly; at least, anyone who says it is, has never been in a serious heterosexual romantic relationship, or is just so stupid he's unlikely to be able to pass on his genes. You would know. Thank you for your wisdom. Yes, in fact, I would. See, here you go! Here is your justice. Let Shaviv be the judge. Hah, no. I am only a competent judge in situations that directly involve me. You are only a competent judge in situations that directly involve you. Get your judgment out of other people's wombs, if you weren't involved in creating the pregnancy in some way. And then again, if you were male, as I am, it wouldn't ultimately be your decision. As a woman - I'm assuming that you are female - yeah, ultimately it is your choice. You have made it clear: unless your life is in grave danger due to pregnancy, you are never going to knowingly and willingly take action to end that pregnancy in anything other than the most successful childbirth you can perform. You know, my mother said the same thing. Abortion is not for her. Not that it matters, since she probably couldn't become pregnant now, but when she was of child-bearing age she made that decision. She also came to the realization that it was her decision to make, and not anybody else's; and while the father of any woman's unborn child had a right to express his judgment to her, the final decision was not his, but was only that of the woman herself. I suppose I take after my parents in that way. This I truly believe: were I a woman, I would like the decision on whether or not to conceive and bear children to be entirely up to me, and I would resent any attempt by outside agents (other people, or the government) to force my hand. Therefore, I cannot endorse any course of action which attempts to compel a woman's choice in any direction. In any case, you are surely aware, it is safer and cheaper for American women to use medically induced abortion than to give birth. You know what? That says our priorities are misplaced. That says to me, instead of spending money on trying to ban abortion, trying to kill hundreds of thousands of brown people, trying to steal from the poor to give to the rich, we should be spending money to make sure that childbirth is as safe as it is in other rich countries, and to make sure that nobody has to pay for the basic human right of medical care. |
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Methcalarjalope Shaviv Methcalarjalope Shaviv Meth, the plural of anecdote is not data. And nobody suggests, either, that abortion is a decision to be taken lightly; at least, anyone who says it is, has never been in a serious heterosexual romantic relationship, or is just so stupid he's unlikely to be able to pass on his genes. You would know. Thank you for your wisdom. Yes, in fact, I would. See, here you go! Here is your justice. Let Shaviv be the judge. Ah, how intellectually dishonest typical of you. The bolded section is a prediction, on my part, of the reproductive success (read: ability to get a partner, have sex, conceive, bear a child) that will be attained by someone so stupid and thoughtless as to say that abortion is just something you can take lightly. See, actually I thought you were stating that I had never been involved in the abort/continue pregnancy decision and therefore I could not fairly judge. I thought you were making a comment that was actually relevant to the discussion. What a pity. I assumed you were being honest, upright, and intelligent. I'll try to make fewer assumptions next time. |
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