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- Posted: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:21:01 +0000
Marauder_Slade
I dissagree if an unwanted/unknown child of mine is running around on the face of the planet it is a serious violation of my integrity & domain. There is a possibility that I have a child from a 1 night stand & never had the opprotunity to meet him/her; because I was raised never meeting my father I desired to never put another life though that, but I may have due to circumstances. stressed
Then perhaps you should be aware of your sexual encounters and be aware that pregnancy can, does, and will happen. Whether planned or not. But just because you wish to have it go one way doesn't mean that the woman you are with MUST follow. If you want to terminate a pregnancy but she does not, her decision over-rides yours. You may not like it, but biology dictates that since it is her body, her nutrients, her blood that is creating this creature, because she is dedicating 9 months of her life, her body, her existance, to the creation of another being, she is the sole decider of her, and her fetii's, fate.
Marauder_Slade
I wasn't asking that, I was suggesting that if it is her will to have the child & his will to terminate then a termination should ensue because "A consent to sexual intercourse does not imply a given consent to pregnancy or, further, to the continuation of said pregnancy should it occur." - your own words.
Also as we read earlier in this forum, there are possible undesireable side-effects to both pregnancy & abortion.
Also as we read earlier in this forum, there are possible undesireable side-effects to both pregnancy & abortion.
Wrong. As I have said before, since the woman is giving 90% of all that is needed for the fetus, she makes the majority of the decision. Since men cannot become pregnancy, the statement by Asexual doesn't apply to them.
Marauder_Slade
I don't tell you what to do, so I would appreciate the same curtesy. I don't believe in Dogma I believe in God who I believe used humans to write the bible. You can base your opinions on "logic" if you want; so do I; only difference is I base my "logic" on the premise that the bible is the word of God & that it is always true - "let God be true, but every man a liar" (Rom 3:4).
First of all:
Dogma: n. 1. a system of principles or tenets, as of a church. 2. a specific tenet or doctrine authoritatively laid down, as by a church: the dogma of the Assumption. 3. prescribed doctrine: political dogma. 4. a settled or established opinion, belief, or principle
Second of all, religion in a debate become null and void, as it is not a universally followed doctrine. I do not follow your bible, I do not believe in your god. Therefore, any basis, any statement that you make with bibilcal references is irrelevant.
Thirdly, prove that the word of God is always true. And without bibilcal reference, as it has already been shown, by not just myself but many others, to be an invalid source for debate.
Marauder_Slade
I dissagree there are multiple passages that state that child killing is wrong & against the will of God "And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart." (Jer 7:31) like I said there is no difference in the humanity of a baby before or after it's born so if in the old days they did their abortions after birth & nowadays we do ours before birth makes no difference to me.
Oh really? God killed the firstborn sons of all the men of Egypt. God commanded Abraham to kill his son, Jacob. God decreed to Abraham that whenever he did a census, no children under the age of 1 month were to be included.
So not only did God promote, and inact, homicide, but he also does not see children under the age of 1 month to be considered people for census.
Marauder_Slade
Opinion based on what? Have you even read the bible? It appears you have made a judgement based on heresay.
On the fact that the Bible cannot be validated as an actual historical text. That has been manipulated, reworded, and defiled by many a monk and priest for hundreds of years, so we don't know what the ACTUAL text may have said. We have bastardized it to the point that we've got several dozen different types of bibles, each of which have different saying, meanings, and scriptures.
And, seeing that I HAVE read the bible and still do not consider is a valid ethical text, I base my opinion on my personal experience.
Marauder_Slade
I am just stating opinions & asking questions - I do not feel it nessisary to defend any opinion of mine, any defence avaliable was already provided when I gave you scriptures in previous posts. If you refuse to acknoledge them then there are no words that I can say to add.
Scripture that I do not believe in or follow. Therefore, why it is valid to me? You cannot enforce your religiously based views because, as I've said before, it is not universally believed by all, and therefore becomes invalid the second a person raises their hand and declare that your beliefs are not their own. Just because you claim to have scripture, doesn't mean that it is fact.
Marauder_Slade
You think it is ironic that XxemotionalychallengedxX said that they won't judge right after they made a judgement that abortion = murder; however I agree that abortion = murder & that it is not an opinon or a judgement call, but rather a fact. I think perhaps what XxemotionalychallengedxX was trying to say is contained in this scripture "But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant." 1 Cor 14:38.
Your may think abortion equates to murder, but just because you think that way doesn't mean it is. Murder is a legal definition that, no matter how hard you try, doesn't change. And abortion fails as murder because murder is the..
1) illegal killing
2) of another person
3) with premidated malice
Abortion is not illegal, there is no other person involved (fetii are not granted the status of personhood until birthed) and there is no known premeditated malice felt towards the fetus by the mother.
So, your claims of abortin = murder means that you fail. Utterly and sadly.
