If you are against gay marriage, you are a bad Christian.

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Titaniumceadda

Excuse me, your interpretation is all wrong. Try learning the Bible before using it.

Try reading the first post before responding to it

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1. " Love thy neighbor as thyself" doesn't mean to want to get in their pants, and thinking a Christian MUST hate all homosexuals is a stereotype.

No one has ever said either of those things. And if they have, then they're stupid.

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2. Again, Christains do not judge these people, but merely reject their beleifs, as the Book of Exodus examples, where the people at the foot of the mountain are being homosexual and lesbianic. This enrages God's man, Mosses, and he eventually ends up with all the homosexuals and lesbians killed for their abominational sin that had noforgiveness, from their lack of asking and then repenting from what they did.

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WHAT?

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3. God has mentioned many times the Bible over that homosexuality is an abomination unto Him, which further ruins this life style. I'd provide a verse for this, but you may want to actually READ the Bible before you try using it, thanks.

Kinda like how you're supposed to read the first post? Yea, I've read the bible, quite a few times and wuite a few versions, Theology minor thx, my main thesis was all about teh Christimanities so STFU much?

(gah now I see why some of you are so bitter but this is probably the too much ice cream upset stomach talking)

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4. You DON'T have to get married. It is a choice where God unites you with who you belong with in a matromony of love, and it is a holy union.

Well you're right there, Paul and Jesus both tote the grandure of the single life and proclaim the want to be one with God and thus have no bodily lust. Sadly we can't all be saints

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Two homosexuals being united in marriage is completely wrong, becuase they lack the ability to even reproduce, for one, and, as I mentioned, it IS an abomination to God. The proof is in the pudding, or this case, the Bible.

Only infertile people can't reproduce, some people get married and don't want to reproduce, Jesus and Paul making a call for Chastity might be a sign God wants us to stop reproducing, you'll need to prove a humans primary function is for reproducing which considering what a mirical it is people do reproduce when you think about all the biology behind it, reproduction is really only questonably a function of our body, marrage is no longer just a religious thing in fact it's NEVER been just a religious thing and some religions are perfectly okay with it and the proof is no where near this proverbial pudding since the Bible says jack s**t about Homosexuality in a negative construct.

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Saying that the Bible is a mistranslation is a bit of blasphemy.

If you get the original language, no, English? Hells yea.

And no it's not Blasphamy, Blasphamy is saying God says things that God doesn't say. Coincidently, what you're doing right now.

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If you don't know what that is, look up the story of David and Goliath,

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There once was a jackass Giant that terrorized people so a little sheppard boy kicked his a** with a slingshot?

wtfux?

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and WHY do you think homosexual queers are so rejected? Becuase their love is an unnatural one, dealing with lust and rebellion against nature itself.

Nautre?
Computers, cooked meat, clothing, cars, religion, marrage.
All against nature.
Homosexuality documented in about 400 species?
no so much against nature.

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Have you seen a male horse go at it with another male horse? If you have, PLEASE send me evidence, becuase the horse is another part of nature, who follows it to further the species.

Would you like Photos or a tape?
How about Bonobo monkeys? Dogs? Swans? Chimpanzies? Penguins?

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So, according to what you say, NO laws apply from the Old Testemant? Oh, yipee! Let's go kill everyone we know, rape them, worship rocks, and loot the corpses! NOT.

Love thy neighbor as thyself and love the Lord your God with all your heart and soul and mind.
Pretty sure that covers the don't rape pillage steal or worshp anything not God
ijiot.

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That was an example of how much more out of control things would be without the 10 Commandments. You see, you merely base yourself off of your own ignorant veiw, by twisting the truth until it is unrecognizable.

back to not reading he first post. And
Law of Moses, 10 comandments and about 300 more tacked onto it, those commandments didn't stop there.

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In closing, Homosexuality is an abomination to God, and if you think this unnatural love is better than how God made nature, then you probably need therapy. Thank you.

In closing, you're an illiterate bigot who needs to read the first page and acctually address some points before spewing off lies and why yes, Blasphamy to further your hate.

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Servus Dei

1 Timothy 3:15 says that the Bible isn't the pillar and foundation of the Truth. The Church is.

You realize that saying the Bible isn't the piller of truth to tell you what the piller of truth is, is a logic circle that kind of craps out right in the middle.

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Servus Dei

Also, Catechism 1267, Ty

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Baptism makes us members of the Body of Christ: "Therefore . . . we are members one of another."71 Baptism incorporates us into the Church. From the baptismal fonts is born the one People of God of the New Covenant, which transcends all the natural or human limits of nations, cultures, races, and sexes: "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body."72

Technically, all Christians are part of the Catholic Church by their baptism. Protestants are just really, really seperated.

Wait.

If Baptism makes people perfectly equal, (One spirit one body) then why can't baptised women run the Church if they are now on equal footing with the men?

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PoeticVengeance

That's why new members are required to get baptized as soon as possible, to prevent their entrance into purgatory Limbo if they die immediately.

Dear God, you have a piss poor understanding of Catholic doctrine.

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Of course this is blasphemous to the Scriptures, and another issue I have with Catholicism, but we'll leave that for another time.

No, it isn't. stare

Wasn't limbo only recently created?

[AngryRobotsInc.]

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PoeticVengeance

That's why new members are required to get baptized as soon as possible, to prevent their entrance into purgatory Limbo if they die immediately.

Dear God, you have a piss poor understanding of Catholic doctrine.

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Of course this is blasphemous to the Scriptures, and another issue I have with Catholicism, but we'll leave that for another time.

No, it isn't. stare

Wasn't limbo only recently created?

Limbo is no longer part of Catholic canon, last I checked. Purgatory still is, but not Limbo. Limbo was commonly believed to be where unbaptized babies, the mentally disabled, and the mentally insane (both unable to convert) went when they died.

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AngryRobotsInc.

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Dei Servus

PoeticVengeance

That's why new members are required to get baptized as soon as possible, to prevent their entrance into purgatory Limbo if they die immediately.

Dear God, you have a piss poor understanding of Catholic doctrine.

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Of course this is blasphemous to the Scriptures, and another issue I have with Catholicism, but we'll leave that for another time.

No, it isn't. stare

Wasn't limbo only recently created?

Limbo is no longer part of Catholic canon, last I checked. Purgatory still is, but not Limbo. Limbo was commonly believed to be where unbaptized babies, the mentally disabled, and the mentally insane (both unable to convert) went when they died.

Ah I knew it went one way or the other (Either it was recently created or recently removed) I remember my teacher making... well not really a hulabaloo but more used that announcement to launch into Cathlocism and the afterlife in our Christian Philosophy class

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AngryRobotsInc.

Limbo is no longer part of Catholic canon, last I checked. Purgatory still is, but not Limbo. Limbo was commonly believed to be where unbaptized babies, the mentally disabled, and the mentally insane (both unable to convert) went when they died.

It wasn't canon to begin with. But it always has been, and still is fairly popular theological speculation that is commonly accepted by many Catholics. St. Augustine preached it, after all.

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Dei Servus

AngryRobotsInc.

Limbo is no longer part of Catholic canon, last I checked. Purgatory still is, but not Limbo. Limbo was commonly believed to be where unbaptized babies, the mentally disabled, and the mentally insane (both unable to convert) went when they died.

It wasn't canon to begin with. But it always has been, and still is fairly popular theological speculation that is commonly accepted by many Catholics. St. Augustine preached it, after all.

Hmm....the article I read said it was canon, but was no longer. Unfortunately, I can't remember where the article was, so I'll need to go hunting to look into it further. We never really touched on Limbo in my CCD classes.

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AngryRobotsInc.

Hmm....the article I read said it was canon, but was no longer. Unfortunately, I can't remember where the article was, so I'll need to go hunting to look into it further. We never really touched on Limbo in my CCD classes.

If by canon you mean infallible doctrine, no, it was never canon. Again, it was merely a widely accepted position that many in the Church had taken, and many of the early Church Fathers advocated.

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If Baptism makes people perfectly equal, (One spirit one body) then why can't baptised women run the Church if they are now on equal footing with the men?

It doesn't make us perfectly equal. It gives us an equal chance of salvation and status as people in the eyes of God. But I am still a man, and you are still a woman.

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Dei Servus

AngryRobotsInc.

Hmm....the article I read said it was canon, but was no longer. Unfortunately, I can't remember where the article was, so I'll need to go hunting to look into it further. We never really touched on Limbo in my CCD classes.

If by canon you mean infallible doctrine, no, it was never canon. Again, it was merely a widely accepted position that many in the Church had taken, and many of the early Church Fathers advocated.

Then can someone give a word for it? Because if it isn't part of the doctrine...yet is believed by a large portion of the following...what is it? Mass delusion? I actually mean that seriously, not as an insult. What in the world would it be called?

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TrunkstheSlayer

Then can someone give a word for it? Because if it isn't part of the doctrine...yet is believed by a large portion of the following...what is it? Mass delusion? I actually mean that seriously, not as an insult. What in the world would it be called?

It's a popular theological speculation that hasn't been officially canonized or condemned by the Church. It's basically a "believe it or not" type deal.

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Dei Servus

TrunkstheSlayer

Then can someone give a word for it? Because if it isn't part of the doctrine...yet is believed by a large portion of the following...what is it? Mass delusion? I actually mean that seriously, not as an insult. What in the world would it be called?

It's a popular theological speculation that hasn't been officially canonized or condemned by the Church. It's basically a "believe it or not" type deal.

If it existed though...wouldn't an authority have 'sealed the deal' so to speak and said so by now?
I mean it makes no sense to buy into it if the main authority has never said "yep, it's there"...then again I suppose the opposite could potentially apply...though not as strongly.
Why doesn't someone just, oh I dunno, ask the bleedin Pope and get a direct answer?
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Now my brain hurts. How the hell did this come up?

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TrunkstheSlayer

If it existed though...wouldn't an authority have 'sealed the deal' so to speak and said so by now?
I mean it makes no sense to buy into it if the main authority has never said "yep, it's there"...then again I suppose the opposite could potentially apply...though not as strongly.
Why doesn't someone just, oh I dunno, ask the bleedin Pope and get a direct answer?
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I have no idea. The Holy See has left it more or less up in the open for the last 2000 years. I doubt they are gonna say one way or the other any time soon.

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PoeticVengeance

Servus Dei

linaloki

o_O ORLY? Last I checked, being baptized was just a proclaimation of your faith, and was not required for entry into heaven.

Not according to the Catholic faith.

"Unless a man be born of water and spirit, he cannot have life everlasting."
"Remember brethren, when I baptised you, you were baptised into the death of Christ."

Um, Loki... Servus is actually right about baptism, for Catholics it is required for entry into heaven.

That's why new members are required to get baptized as soon as possible, to prevent their entrance into purgatory if they die immediately.

Of course this is blasphemous to the Scriptures, and another issue I have with Catholicism, but we'll leave that for another time.

I know this, actually. I mentioned it in the original post, but he cut it off... I was saying that Biblically, there's no definitive mention of a water baptism required to go to heaven, and there's proof that one isn't needed. The Catholics, however, believe in one baptism, the forgiveness of sin. Baptism is needed to cleanse the body of original sin in order to prevent the baby from going into limbo.

At least, limbo used to be where they went... >.< I may not have stayed with the Church as long as you did, Poe, but I stuck around long enough. wink