If you are against gay marriage, you are a bad Christian.

[araikoe]

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araikoe

If you are a Christian, I'm sure you believe that God will judge humankind when they die.

Let God do the judging, please.

And considering that in the US there's a separition of church and state, you can't use the sanctity of marriage defence. The only problem that will arise from gay marriage is that under equal protection, polygamy might be legalized, which I find disturbing.

Move to Amsterdam if you're not happy here.

Hey, what's wrong with polygamy if it's consensual between all parties?

Jealousy is bound to strike. And disputes over partners. And the legal part of it. Will they recieve more rights than a dual married couple? Who gets what when someone dies? Etc.

And the higher risk of STDs because of many partners. I like the idea of one. It's very idealistic to think that someone believes a "couple" of 4 or 6 will all remain faithful. Maybe they can, but I'm sure in most cases it would be chaotic.

I'm sure they have a lot of fun, but as I said, move to Amsterdam if you're not happy.


Edit - I also want to add that I have no problem with them, erm, doing their thing, but marriage is another issue.

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araikoe

Jealousy is bound to strike.

Which is an issue to be worked through in any relationship. Including monogamous ones.

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And disputes over partners.

Which everyone in the relationship is supposed to work around. The success of a poly relationship is directly dependent on how much work all parties are willing to put into it. Just like monogamous relationships.

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And the legal part of it. Will they recieve more rights than a dual married couple? Who gets what when someone dies? Etc.

This I am not properly equipped to answer. Though it does seem to be workable, considering (as you said) the Netherlands are allowing polyamorous civil unions. I figure it would depend heavily on the specific government system you're dealing with, as well as insurance companies.

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And the higher risk of STDs because of many partners.

Citations of this please? Poly people can still practice safe sex.

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I like the idea of one.

And I like the idea of being able to marry those I love, even if that means I marry more than one. But I'm not knocking on your preference of monogamy. So what reasoning is that to knock on polygamy?

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It's very idealistic to think that someone believes a "couple" of 4 or 6 will all remain faithful. Maybe they can,

Polyfidelity.

Though I'd like to know your definition of "faithful". Do you mean not dating anyone outside of the relationship, not having sex with anyone outside of the relationship, or not cheating?

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but I'm sure in most cases it would be chaotic.

Only if you let it be. Again, as with any relationship, its success is directly dependent on how much work all parties involved are willing to put into it. And then they actually have to follow through with it. Relationships are dependent on trust and communication - poly relationships are no different. In fact, communication is even more important because of the increase of people involved.

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I'm sure they have a lot of fun, but as I said, move to Amsterdam if you're not happy.

You say that as if it's easy. And what's the difference between that and someone against same sex marriage saying "if you're not happy with our laws, move to Canada"? Do you have any experience with moving out of the country? It's a b***h.

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Edit - I also want to add that I have no problem with them, erm, doing their thing, but marriage is another issue.

Why? Why can same-sex couples be extended that right but poly people can't?

[The Magical Wishing Star]

All Christians are bad Christians. No one is perfect. I lie. I steal. I cuss. I'm a bad Christian and I know and accept it. Ha, and y'know what? I'm not against gay marriage. HA!

[araikoe]

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araikoe

Jealousy is bound to strike.

Which is an issue to be worked through in any relationship. Including monogamous ones.

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And disputes over partners.

Which everyone in the relationship is supposed to work around. The success of a poly relationship is directly dependent on how much work all parties are willing to put into it. Just like monogamous relationships.

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And the legal part of it. Will they recieve more rights than a dual married couple? Who gets what when someone dies? Etc.

This I am not properly equipped to answer. Though it does seem to be workable, considering (as you said) the Netherlands are allowing polyamorous civil unions. I figure it would depend heavily on the specific government system you're dealing with, as well as insurance companies.

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And the higher risk of STDs because of many partners.

Citations of this please? Poly people can still practice safe sex.

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I like the idea of one.

And I like the idea of being able to marry those I love, even if that means I marry more than one. But I'm not knocking on your preference of monogamy. So what reasoning is that to knock on polygamy?

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It's very idealistic to think that someone believes a "couple" of 4 or 6 will all remain faithful. Maybe they can,

Polyfidelity.

Though I'd like to know your definition of "faithful". Do you mean not dating anyone outside of the relationship, not having sex with anyone outside of the relationship, or not cheating?

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but I'm sure in most cases it would be chaotic.

Only if you let it be. Again, as with any relationship, its success is directly dependent on how much work all parties involved are willing to put into it. And then they actually have to follow through with it. Relationships are dependent on trust and communication - poly relationships are no different. In fact, communication is even more important because of the increase of people involved.

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I'm sure they have a lot of fun, but as I said, move to Amsterdam if you're not happy.

You say that as if it's easy. And what's the difference between that and someone against same sex marriage saying "if you're not happy with our laws, move to Canada"? Do you have any experience with moving out of the country? It's a b***h.

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Edit - I also want to add that I have no problem with them, erm, doing their thing, but marriage is another issue.

Why? Why can same-sex couples be extended that right but poly people can't?

I get what you're saying, but think about it. It would be a legal disaster waiting to happen.

About the higher risk of STD's? Condoms are only 85% effective, which is what we were told in Sex Ed.

Polyfidelity? Any romantic or sexual interaction out of the relationship of people.

Do I have experience moving overseas? Yes. From Quebec, to the US, to Japan, back to the US. I made it, didn't I?

Why can same-sex couples be given the right, and not polygamists? I could use the legal disaster defense, but I guess I'm biased. Let them get married, then. I have a feeling chaos will ensue and lawsuits will pile up. What will happen in cases of divorce, parent rights, inheritance, adoption, etc.?

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araikoe

I get what you're saying, but think about it. It would be a legal disaster waiting to happen.

Like I said earlier, I am not equipped to comment on that subject. It would be arrogant of me (in a bad way) to assume I could when I don't have the resources or expertise. So I don't.

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About the higher risk of STD's? Condoms are only 85% effective, which is what we were told in Sex Ed.

Your class would be incorrect. Latex condoms are the most effective against STDs than any other form of protection.

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Polyfidelity? Any romantic or sexual interaction out of the relationship of people.

Yeah that would be polyfidelity then. That's the sum of it.

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Do I have experience moving overseas? Yes. From Quebec, to the US, to Japan, back to the US. I made it, didn't I?

Then you would also know the difficulties of doing as such, especially when you consider that not everyone is in the position to do as such. And again I would like to ask, why? You don't seem to hold that standard for same-sex couples. Why can they stay but poly people have to move?

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Why can same-sex couples be given the right, and not polygamists? I could use the legal disaster defense, but I guess I'm biased.

It's also an appeal to probability, which is a logical fallacy and is frowned upon here. You'd be much better off using an actual argument.

[araikoe]

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Why can same-sex couples be given the right, and not polygamists? I could use the legal disaster defense, but I guess I'm biased.

It's also an appeal to probability, which is a logical fallacy and is frowned upon here. You'd be much better off using an actual argument.

All right, then. *puts up hands in surrender* You win.

You had initially asked me what was wrong with polygamy. I had said that it was disturbing.

You're right, and I'm biased. There is no legal reason why polygamy shouldn't be legalized because of the separition of church and state. The same defense I used for gay marriage,

Kudos to you. hehe. 3nodding

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araikoe

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Why can same-sex couples be given the right, and not polygamists? I could use the legal disaster defense, but I guess I'm biased.

It's also an appeal to probability, which is a logical fallacy and is frowned upon here. You'd be much better off using an actual argument.

All right, then. *puts up hands in surrender* You win.

You had initially asked me what was wrong with polygamy. I had said that it was disturbing.

You're right, and I'm biased. There is no legal reason why polygamy shouldn't be legalized because of the separition of church and state. The same defense I used for gay marriage,

Kudos to you. hehe. 3nodding

Thank you for that, seriously. Most people aren't willing to reassess their position and subsequently back down when another position is presented or their points are corrected. Congratulations, you're above the norm. 3nodding You get to be awesome now.

[araikoe]

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araikoe

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Why can same-sex couples be given the right, and not polygamists? I could use the legal disaster defense, but I guess I'm biased.

It's also an appeal to probability, which is a logical fallacy and is frowned upon here. You'd be much better off using an actual argument.

All right, then. *puts up hands in surrender* You win.

You had initially asked me what was wrong with polygamy. I had said that it was disturbing.

You're right, and I'm biased. There is no legal reason why polygamy shouldn't be legalized because of the separition of church and state. The same defense I used for gay marriage,

Kudos to you. hehe. 3nodding

Thank you for that, seriously. Most people aren't willing to reassess their position and subsequently back down when another position is presented or their points are corrected. Congratulations, you're above the norm. 3nodding You get to be awesome now.

Aww thanks. hehe. 3nodding

[deadmanjay]

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linaloki

Concernedguy23

But the Bible also says homosexuality is an abomination making all of those things null.

SHELLFISH, MOTHER ********! DO YOU EAT IT?! scream

In a maze without an end--why do you still breathe?

Loki, I heart you for this post.

Sorrow made you in the heart of the dark sea

I thought that read Selfish Mother ********! Do you eat it? Which of course, changes the whole fricking post.

[Elf Lord Chiewn]

randomluvsyou

All Christians are bad Christians. No one is perfect. I lie. I steal. I cuss. I'm a bad Christian and I know and accept it. Ha, and y'know what? I'm not against gay marriage. HA!

What do you want, a cookie?

[zeffers]

I don't mind being placed under a label of being a, "bad Christian" because I am vehemently against homosexuality, and any activity in which homosexuality may occur. The judgment of other people really has no bearing on my life. As if a person has the right position to judge over someone like myself, because they are so correct in every action they partake, right...

[xLady Tsukiyox]

zeffers

I don't mind being placed under a label of being a, "bad Christian" because I am vehemently against homosexuality, and any activity in which homosexuality may occur. The judgment of other people really has no bearing on my life. As if a person has the right position to judge over someone like myself, because they are so correct in every action they partake, right...

Why are you against homosexuality? You know it's not a sin right?

[zeffers]

-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden

zeffers

I don't mind being placed under a label of being a, "bad Christian" because I am vehemently against homosexuality, and any activity in which homosexuality may occur. The judgment of other people really has no bearing on my life. As if a person has the right position to judge over someone like myself, because they are so correct in every action they partake, right...

Why are you against homosexuality? You know it's not a sin right?

Why is homosexuality not a sin?

[xLady Tsukiyox]

zeffers

-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden

zeffers

I don't mind being placed under a label of being a, "bad Christian" because I am vehemently against homosexuality, and any activity in which homosexuality may occur. The judgment of other people really has no bearing on my life. As if a person has the right position to judge over someone like myself, because they are so correct in every action they partake, right...

Why are you against homosexuality? You know it's not a sin right?

Why is homosexuality not a sin?

Why should it be a sin? Why is being who you are such a bad thing?