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Oh and quickly... you realise the fact that there have been 123 wars started based on religion.... is not a point in religions favour right?
123 over 5,000 years is a pretty good track record. That's like, in a time we can relate to, getting sick for about 3 minutes out of your entire 70 year life.

Completely awful argument. War does not put a 'pretty good track record' on anything.
War is awful. People die in war. The fact these people died over who had a better imaginary friend just makes it all worse
Whether you like it or not the comparison is valid. I can't help that you don't like it.

Besides the point you cannot wave off religion as a cause of war. Yes often it comes to many other factors and I guess instead you could argue that religious extremists are more often the cause of wars than the religions themselves. Then I guess that means that often is isn't a fault of the religion itself, but the people who follow them
What war isn't fought over Resources or Philosophy? Religion is not a major cause of war. Does that make you feel better?
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Well wars are either fought over resources, wealth, land, or religion. Sure fighting over any of them is bad but at least if your fighting over something that actually exists its not as bad as fighting over imaginary figures. A battle over land and resources at least have a reward of something but a battle over religion has no positive outcome just one or both sides dead/mutilated/or hating the the other more than when it began.


I'm pretty sure that outcome is the same no matter what the motivation. The value of the 'reward' is subjective seeing as not everyone will find the same things worth fighting for. Whether you fight for money, land, religion, or a woman, people will be killed, mutilated and a sense of hatred will be present afterwards. That's just how war works.
My atheism does not hinge on whether or not religion has caused wars.

I've always known that wars were more complicated than that, and thus I do cringe when I see other non-believers blaming wars solely on religion.

Religion does play an undeniable role in them, though, and that's the problem.
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Citations and credible sources would help your point.
Encyclopia of Wars (3 Volume set)
Records 1763 wars. Only 123 of the wars covered have religious causes.
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Citations and credible sources would help your point.
Encyclopia of Wars (3 Volume set)
Records 1763 wars. Only 123 of the wars covered have religious causes.
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Appreciate the complement but I'm already engaged. Thank you though.
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My atheism does not hinge on whether or not religion has caused wars.

I've always known that wars were more complicated than that, and thus I do cringe when I see other non-believers blaming wars solely on religion.

Religion does play an undeniable role in them, though, and that's the problem.
So does nationalism, racism, and any other tribalistic element you can name. We are tribal creatures.
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Citations and credible sources would help your point.
Encyclopia of Wars (3 Volume set)
Records 1763 wars. Only 123 of the wars covered have religious causes.
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Appreciate the complement but I'm already engaged. Thank you though.


It's just good to know that there is proof that wars are not mostly started by religion. This view had floated around for a number of years and I wasn't sure how to respond with out truly knowing. Thanks! smile
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"Only 123 of the wars covered have religious causes."


Only he says.

Only.

Like I should be relieved or something.
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Citations and credible sources would help your point.
Encyclopia of Wars (3 Volume set)
Records 1763 wars. Only 123 of the wars covered have religious causes.
wow that was a really nice to know, thank you
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Quote:
"Only 123 of the wars covered have religious causes."


Only he says.

Only.

Like I should be relieved or something.
It means that the claim that most wars are caused by religion is a bunk claim.
a lot, but not the ones on this website.

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