How is it wrong to get an abortion?

[Fang-Zhun]

*Avoids argument*
Oh, and I'm pro-choice. How dare anybody, be they male or female, tell a woman what to do with her own body. The idea of abortion does not make me happy in any way, but if it's what a woman wants, don't give her s**t about it afterwards by telling her she's a murderer. People should try to focus more on those that have already been born into this world, making the planet a better place instead of crying over one lost, unborn life. Of course, it's important to keep in mind that I still favor adoption much more than abortion.
^I don't mean to make that sound heartless, but it's just my opinion.

[HardGayFooo]

Das_boogus

Das_boogus

No...Abstinence is pretty good at preventing pregnancies.

HardGayFooo

Yes, you can practice abstinence all you want. No one is going to do that because they're not you.

That isn't true...some do. However, I have a kid so...clearly I didn't practice abstinence. Please don't assume.

Then don't assume that everyone is going to take your stance and practice abstinence.

HardGayFooo

It's a human fetus, not a human being. One's viable, the other isn't.

Greek: fetus; infant; a combining form denoting relationship to the embryo, fetus, or newborn infant.

I'm curious from where you pulled that definition.

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They are one in the same...just because you said "not a human being" doesn't make it so. Still has the make up of human. It's death at any stage.

I guess an apple seed is an apple.

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"IS IT REALLY A BABY OR ‘JUST A BLOB OF TISSUE’?"

Be honest with yourself.

Does this picture

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Embryo,_8_cells.jpg

Look like this?

http://www.onlinemedicinetips.com/images/Rsv-In-Infant.jpg

Quote:

Years ago scientists did not know. Now, however, with ultrasound and other methods, they can actually "see" the unborn baby inside of the mother’s womb. Doctors can now open the womb, do surgery on an unborn baby, and close up the womb for the pregnancy to continue normally. One now famous photo shows an unborn baby 21 weeks old reaching out of the womb and grabbing the finger of the surgeon. The surgery was completed and the baby was born healthy months later. There is now no question that it is a living, growing, feeling human being long before birth.

I would like to see a source for this story so I can confirm that this surgery actually happened.

No one is questioning whether or not if it's living, I think everyone can agree that it's alive. The part we, we being the people who actually care about reproductive rights, question whether or not if it's viable. Last time I checked, fetuses aren't viable.

Quote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THS2zZ4m260 <- the silent scream
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzhz9DxhoUM&feature=related

It leaves the feeling of guilt that no one can recover from.

HardGayFooo

If you want to persuade me that abortion is murder, you'll have to use evidence instead of appealing to emotion.

Visual of a movie is the best method to demonstrate that Abortion is indeed murder.

That video does nothing more than show dead fetuses while making women feel terrible about themselves, as if they don't have enough trouble deciding if they should get an abortion or not.

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Abortion: the removal of an embryo or fetus from the uterus in order to end a pregnancy.

At least you got this defintion right...

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Pregnancy/ pregnant: having offspring developing within the body.

Fixed your definition for you.

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Murder: killing of another human being

Fixed your definition for you.

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Anyways isn't that what abortion is? to end a life of your child?

Abortion is simply ending your pregnancy. The side effect of the abortion is the fetus dying, and it dies because it's not viable. Shocking, isn't it?

[Das_boogus]

Das_boogus

Das_boogus

No...Abstinence is pretty good at preventing pregnancies.

HardGayFooo

Yes, you can practice abstinence all you want. No one is going to do that because they're not you.

That isn't true...some do. However, I have a kid so...clearly I didn't practice abstinence. Please don't assume.

HardGayFooo

Then don't assume that everyone is going to take your stance and practice abstinence.

Wasn't assuming...simply implying that abstinence is the best way against pregnancy rolleyes

HardGayFooo

It's a human fetus, not a human being. One's viable, the other isn't.

Greek: fetus; infant; a combining form denoting relationship to the embryo, fetus, or newborn infant.

HardGayFooo

I'm curious from where you pulled that definition.

Where else would you get this definition? Looking it up on the internet. Fetus is a greek word meaning "infant"

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They are one in the same...just because you said "not a human being" doesn't make it so. Still has the make up of human. It's death at any stage.

HardGayFooo

I guess an apple seed is an apple.

yes...can't be anything else.

Quote:

"IS IT REALLY A BABY OR ‘JUST A BLOB OF TISSUE’?"

HardGayFooo

Be honest with yourself.

Does this picture

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Embryo,_8_cells.jpg

Look like this?

http://www.onlinemedicinetips.com/images/Rsv-In-Infant.jpg

Show more valid pictures...not links that won't show up.

Quote:

Years ago scientists did not know. Now, however, with ultrasound and other methods, they can actually "see" the unborn baby inside of the mother’s womb. Doctors can now open the womb, do surgery on an unborn baby, and close up the womb for the pregnancy to continue normally. One now famous photo shows an unborn baby 21 weeks old reaching out of the womb and grabbing the finger of the surgeon. The surgery was completed and the baby was born healthy months later. There is now no question that it is a living, growing, feeling human being long before birth.

HardGayFooo

I would like to see a source for this story so I can confirm that this surgery actually happened.

No one is questioning whether or not if it's living, I think everyone can agree that it's alive. The part we, we being the people who actually care about reproductive rights, question whether or not if it's viable. Last time I checked, fetuses aren't viable.

I'll find it for you on where I got this information. And it's Viable. there are two ways to say if it is or not. What you are leaning towards if when it's born that it is considered a baby. Which is more common. The other way is when the baby has a heart beat.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071130162850AAzdcDy

Which is fine that you think it isn't Viable unless it's outside the womb

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THS2zZ4m260 <- the silent scream
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzhz9DxhoUM&feature=related

It leaves the feeling of guilt that no one can recover from.

HardGayFooo

If you want to persuade me that abortion is murder, you'll have to use evidence instead of appealing to emotion.

Visual of a movie is the best method to demonstrate that Abortion is indeed murder.

HardGayFooo

That video does nothing more than show dead fetuses while making women feel terrible about themselves, as if they don't have enough trouble deciding if they should get an abortion or not.

Isn't dead if the fetus is still growing. It's only dead once destroyed. Which happens...wait isn't that murder? hmmm...

Quote:

Abortion: the removal of an embryo or fetus from the uterus in order to end a pregnancy.

At least you got this defintion right...

Quote:

Pregnancy/ pregnant: having offspring developing within the body.

HardGayFooo

Fixed your definition for you.

Doesn't need to be fixed

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Murder: killing of another human being

HardGayFooo

Fixed your definition for you.

Same thing...

Quote:

Anyways isn't that what abortion is? to end a life of your child?

HardGayFooo

Abortion is simply ending your pregnancy. The side effect of the abortion is the fetus dying, and it dies because it's not viable. Shocking, isn't it?

No...what's shocking is you are correcting my definitions to make them more valid. Ending your own child's life if a big decision to make. Once done the person that had the abortion had to live with that guiltiness for the rest of their lives. Drowning it with drugs, booze, cutting. I've been around girls who had that done, and you know what...they regret it. Killing your child is killing apart of yourself.

[Das_boogus]

Quinzel

Das_boogus

Quinzel

The silent scream is a shameful piece of propaganda that uses blatant video editing to knowingly create false perceptions and bolster their argument. The video of the ultra sound is played at a low speed at first and when the instruments are introduced it speeds up (watch the uterine wall, not the fetus itself) to an above-average speed and give the impression that the fetus has suddenly started panicking and flailing about. It hasn't. It's simple use of the fast-forward button.

Ever had one? and are you POSITIVE that it's "edited"? cause a suction instrument can make it look like it, due to the fact it is a SUCTION device.

"Many members of the medical community were critical of the film, describing it as misleading and deceptive. Richard Berkowitz, professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Mount Sinai Medical Center, described the film as "factually misleading and unfair".[3] John Hobbins of the Yale School of Medicine called the film's use of special effects deceptive, a form of "technical flimflam." He pointed out that the film of the ultrasound is initially run at slow speed, but that it is sped up when surgical instruments are introduced to give the impression that "the fetus is thrashing about in alarm." Hobbins questioned the titular "scream", noting that "the fetus spends lots of time with its mouth open", that the "scream" may have been a yawn, and also that "mouth" identified on the blurry ultrasound in the film may in fact have been the space between the fetal chin and chest.[3]
Fetal development experts argued that, contrary to Nathanson's assertion in the film, a fetus cannot perceive danger or make purposeful movements. David Bodian, a neurobiologist at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, stated that doctors had no evidence that a twelve-week-old fetus could feel pain, but noted the possibility of a reflex movement by a fetus in response to external stimuli such as surgical instruments. The size of the ultrasound image and of the fetus model used was also misleading, appearing to show a fetus the size of a full-term baby, while in actuality a twelve-week-old fetus is under two inches long.[3]"

Asking me if I've had an abortion is pointless.

Hmm from the sound of all the professor names you give me and the information you give me on what they said is more of them covering their own asses. There are many things they don't know. How would they know that a 12 week old fetus can't feel pain? Do they "remember" when they were 12 weeks old? no...they don't have proof of that. They justify that video so they won't be charged. Abortion is another way of saying "legalized murder".

[Quinzel]

Das_boogus

Quinzel

Das_boogus

Quinzel

The silent scream is a shameful piece of propaganda that uses blatant video editing to knowingly create false perceptions and bolster their argument. The video of the ultra sound is played at a low speed at first and when the instruments are introduced it speeds up (watch the uterine wall, not the fetus itself) to an above-average speed and give the impression that the fetus has suddenly started panicking and flailing about. It hasn't. It's simple use of the fast-forward button.

Ever had one? and are you POSITIVE that it's "edited"? cause a suction instrument can make it look like it, due to the fact it is a SUCTION device.

"Many members of the medical community were critical of the film, describing it as misleading and deceptive. Richard Berkowitz, professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Mount Sinai Medical Center, described the film as "factually misleading and unfair".[3] John Hobbins of the Yale School of Medicine called the film's use of special effects deceptive, a form of "technical flimflam." He pointed out that the film of the ultrasound is initially run at slow speed, but that it is sped up when surgical instruments are introduced to give the impression that "the fetus is thrashing about in alarm." Hobbins questioned the titular "scream", noting that "the fetus spends lots of time with its mouth open", that the "scream" may have been a yawn, and also that "mouth" identified on the blurry ultrasound in the film may in fact have been the space between the fetal chin and chest.[3]
Fetal development experts argued that, contrary to Nathanson's assertion in the film, a fetus cannot perceive danger or make purposeful movements. David Bodian, a neurobiologist at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, stated that doctors had no evidence that a twelve-week-old fetus could feel pain, but noted the possibility of a reflex movement by a fetus in response to external stimuli such as surgical instruments. The size of the ultrasound image and of the fetus model used was also misleading, appearing to show a fetus the size of a full-term baby, while in actuality a twelve-week-old fetus is under two inches long.[3]"

Asking me if I've had an abortion is pointless.

Hmm from the sound of all the professor names you give me and the information you give me on what they said is more of them covering their own asses. There are many things they don't know. How would they know that a 12 week old fetus can't feel pain? Do they "remember" when they were 12 weeks old? no...they don't have proof of that. They justify that video so they won't be charged. Abortion is another way of saying "legalized murder".

Because we know how pain works in the brain and what is necessary in order to feel it.

"The issue of fetal pain was addressed by a working group appointed by the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists in the United Kingdom. The panel consisted of experts in fetal development, law and bioethics. Dr. Anne McLaren headed the group. She commented:

The group determined that pain can only be felt by a fetus after nerve connections became established between two parts of its brain: the cortex and the thalamus. This happens about 26 weeks from conception. Professor Maria Fitzgerald of University College London, author of the working group's report, says that "little sensory input" reaches the brain of the developing fetus before 26 weeks. "Therefore reactions to noxious stimuli cannot be interpreted as feeling or perceiving pain." 8"



"During 2005-SEP, a meta-study -- a review of existing medical studies -- into fetal pain -- was conducted by six medical personnel and reported in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA).

Medical News Today reported:

"The review found that a fetus's neurological pathways in its brain that allow for the 'conscious perception of pain' do not function until after 28 weeks' gestation. The researchers concluded that women seeking abortions before the third trimester of pregnancy should not be subjected to the risks of administering anesthesia to the fetus -- which could cause bleeding, breathing problems and other complications, including death -- for the woman." "

[Das_boogus]

Quinzel

Das_boogus

Quinzel

Das_boogus

Quinzel

The silent scream is a shameful piece of propaganda that uses blatant video editing to knowingly create false perceptions and bolster their argument. The video of the ultra sound is played at a low speed at first and when the instruments are introduced it speeds up (watch the uterine wall, not the fetus itself) to an above-average speed and give the impression that the fetus has suddenly started panicking and flailing about. It hasn't. It's simple use of the fast-forward button.

Ever had one? and are you POSITIVE that it's "edited"? cause a suction instrument can make it look like it, due to the fact it is a SUCTION device.

"Many members of the medical community were critical of the film, describing it as misleading and deceptive. Richard Berkowitz, professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Mount Sinai Medical Center, described the film as "factually misleading and unfair".[3] John Hobbins of the Yale School of Medicine called the film's use of special effects deceptive, a form of "technical flimflam." He pointed out that the film of the ultrasound is initially run at slow speed, but that it is sped up when surgical instruments are introduced to give the impression that "the fetus is thrashing about in alarm." Hobbins questioned the titular "scream", noting that "the fetus spends lots of time with its mouth open", that the "scream" may have been a yawn, and also that "mouth" identified on the blurry ultrasound in the film may in fact have been the space between the fetal chin and chest.[3]
Fetal development experts argued that, contrary to Nathanson's assertion in the film, a fetus cannot perceive danger or make purposeful movements. David Bodian, a neurobiologist at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, stated that doctors had no evidence that a twelve-week-old fetus could feel pain, but noted the possibility of a reflex movement by a fetus in response to external stimuli such as surgical instruments. The size of the ultrasound image and of the fetus model used was also misleading, appearing to show a fetus the size of a full-term baby, while in actuality a twelve-week-old fetus is under two inches long.[3]"

Asking me if I've had an abortion is pointless.

Hmm from the sound of all the professor names you give me and the information you give me on what they said is more of them covering their own asses. There are many things they don't know. How would they know that a 12 week old fetus can't feel pain? Do they "remember" when they were 12 weeks old? no...they don't have proof of that. They justify that video so they won't be charged. Abortion is another way of saying "legalized murder".

Because we know how pain works in the brain and what is necessary in order to feel it.

"The issue of fetal pain was addressed by a working group appointed by the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists in the United Kingdom. The panel consisted of experts in fetal development, law and bioethics. Dr. Anne McLaren headed the group. She commented:

The group determined that pain can only be felt by a fetus after nerve connections became established between two parts of its brain: the cortex and the thalamus. This happens about 26 weeks from conception. Professor Maria Fitzgerald of University College London, author of the working group's report, says that "little sensory input" reaches the brain of the developing fetus before 26 weeks. "Therefore reactions to noxious stimuli cannot be interpreted as feeling or perceiving pain." 8"



"During 2005-SEP, a meta-study -- a review of existing medical studies -- into fetal pain -- was conducted by six medical personnel and reported in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA).

Medical News Today reported:

"The review found that a fetus's neurological pathways in its brain that allow for the 'conscious perception of pain' do not function until after 28 weeks' gestation. The researchers concluded that women seeking abortions before the third trimester of pregnancy should not be subjected to the risks of administering anesthesia to the fetus -- which could cause bleeding, breathing problems and other complications, including death -- for the woman." "

I'd like to see the link for that please. I still have the whole survival of the fittest track of mind here. One thing we can make clear here is that it's not the child's fault for being created. Shouldn't take it out of them either by death. Heck for the whole bleeding, breathing problems, etc including death can happen even AFTER birth. Can be INCLUDED during as well...but it isn't that child's fault. People KNOW what sex brings...it is the second greatest force on this earth. Both people should know enough to use protection instead of killing a innocent being. Also to MAN up or WOMAN up when the test shows that a child is involved. The child didn't ask to be here...it was the arrogance of the parent in questioning and the lack of the right steps is why it was placed.

[Quinzel]

Das_boogus

Quinzel

Das_boogus

Quinzel

Das_boogus

Quinzel

The silent scream is a shameful piece of propaganda that uses blatant video editing to knowingly create false perceptions and bolster their argument. The video of the ultra sound is played at a low speed at first and when the instruments are introduced it speeds up (watch the uterine wall, not the fetus itself) to an above-average speed and give the impression that the fetus has suddenly started panicking and flailing about. It hasn't. It's simple use of the fast-forward button.

Ever had one? and are you POSITIVE that it's "edited"? cause a suction instrument can make it look like it, due to the fact it is a SUCTION device.

"Many members of the medical community were critical of the film, describing it as misleading and deceptive. Richard Berkowitz, professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Mount Sinai Medical Center, described the film as "factually misleading and unfair".[3] John Hobbins of the Yale School of Medicine called the film's use of special effects deceptive, a form of "technical flimflam." He pointed out that the film of the ultrasound is initially run at slow speed, but that it is sped up when surgical instruments are introduced to give the impression that "the fetus is thrashing about in alarm." Hobbins questioned the titular "scream", noting that "the fetus spends lots of time with its mouth open", that the "scream" may have been a yawn, and also that "mouth" identified on the blurry ultrasound in the film may in fact have been the space between the fetal chin and chest.[3]
Fetal development experts argued that, contrary to Nathanson's assertion in the film, a fetus cannot perceive danger or make purposeful movements. David Bodian, a neurobiologist at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, stated that doctors had no evidence that a twelve-week-old fetus could feel pain, but noted the possibility of a reflex movement by a fetus in response to external stimuli such as surgical instruments. The size of the ultrasound image and of the fetus model used was also misleading, appearing to show a fetus the size of a full-term baby, while in actuality a twelve-week-old fetus is under two inches long.[3]"

Asking me if I've had an abortion is pointless.

Hmm from the sound of all the professor names you give me and the information you give me on what they said is more of them covering their own asses. There are many things they don't know. How would they know that a 12 week old fetus can't feel pain? Do they "remember" when they were 12 weeks old? no...they don't have proof of that. They justify that video so they won't be charged. Abortion is another way of saying "legalized murder".

Because we know how pain works in the brain and what is necessary in order to feel it.

"The issue of fetal pain was addressed by a working group appointed by the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists in the United Kingdom. The panel consisted of experts in fetal development, law and bioethics. Dr. Anne McLaren headed the group. She commented:

The group determined that pain can only be felt by a fetus after nerve connections became established between two parts of its brain: the cortex and the thalamus. This happens about 26 weeks from conception. Professor Maria Fitzgerald of University College London, author of the working group's report, says that "little sensory input" reaches the brain of the developing fetus before 26 weeks. "Therefore reactions to noxious stimuli cannot be interpreted as feeling or perceiving pain." 8"



"During 2005-SEP, a meta-study -- a review of existing medical studies -- into fetal pain -- was conducted by six medical personnel and reported in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA).

Medical News Today reported:

"The review found that a fetus's neurological pathways in its brain that allow for the 'conscious perception of pain' do not function until after 28 weeks' gestation. The researchers concluded that women seeking abortions before the third trimester of pregnancy should not be subjected to the risks of administering anesthesia to the fetus -- which could cause bleeding, breathing problems and other complications, including death -- for the woman." "

I'd like to see the link for that please. I still have the whole survival of the fittest track of mind here. One thing we can make clear here is that it's not the child's fault for being created. Shouldn't take it out of them either by death. Heck for the whole bleeding, breathing problems, etc including death can happen even AFTER birth. Can be INCLUDED during as well...but it isn't that child's fault. People KNOW what sex brings...it is the second greatest force on this earth. Both people should know enough to use protection instead of killing a innocent being. Also to MAN up or WOMAN up when the test shows that a child is involved. The child didn't ask to be here...it was the arrogance of the parent in questioning and the lack of the right steps is why it was placed.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_pain2.htm
I can respond to the rest of that later. I'll be back.

[Das_boogus]

Quinzel

Das_boogus

Quinzel

Das_boogus

Quinzel

"Many members of the medical community were critical of the film, describing it as misleading and deceptive. Richard Berkowitz, professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Mount Sinai Medical Center, described the film as "factually misleading and unfair".[3] John Hobbins of the Yale School of Medicine called the film's use of special effects deceptive, a form of "technical flimflam." He pointed out that the film of the ultrasound is initially run at slow speed, but that it is sped up when surgical instruments are introduced to give the impression that "the fetus is thrashing about in alarm." Hobbins questioned the titular "scream", noting that "the fetus spends lots of time with its mouth open", that the "scream" may have been a yawn, and also that "mouth" identified on the blurry ultrasound in the film may in fact have been the space between the fetal chin and chest.[3]
Fetal development experts argued that, contrary to Nathanson's assertion in the film, a fetus cannot perceive danger or make purposeful movements. David Bodian, a neurobiologist at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, stated that doctors had no evidence that a twelve-week-old fetus could feel pain, but noted the possibility of a reflex movement by a fetus in response to external stimuli such as surgical instruments. The size of the ultrasound image and of the fetus model used was also misleading, appearing to show a fetus the size of a full-term baby, while in actuality a twelve-week-old fetus is under two inches long.[3]"

Asking me if I've had an abortion is pointless.

Hmm from the sound of all the professor names you give me and the information you give me on what they said is more of them covering their own asses. There are many things they don't know. How would they know that a 12 week old fetus can't feel pain? Do they "remember" when they were 12 weeks old? no...they don't have proof of that. They justify that video so they won't be charged. Abortion is another way of saying "legalized murder".

Because we know how pain works in the brain and what is necessary in order to feel it.

"The issue of fetal pain was addressed by a working group appointed by the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists in the United Kingdom. The panel consisted of experts in fetal development, law and bioethics. Dr. Anne McLaren headed the group. She commented:

The group determined that pain can only be felt by a fetus after nerve connections became established between two parts of its brain: the cortex and the thalamus. This happens about 26 weeks from conception. Professor Maria Fitzgerald of University College London, author of the working group's report, says that "little sensory input" reaches the brain of the developing fetus before 26 weeks. "Therefore reactions to noxious stimuli cannot be interpreted as feeling or perceiving pain." 8"



"During 2005-SEP, a meta-study -- a review of existing medical studies -- into fetal pain -- was conducted by six medical personnel and reported in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA).

Medical News Today reported:

"The review found that a fetus's neurological pathways in its brain that allow for the 'conscious perception of pain' do not function until after 28 weeks' gestation. The researchers concluded that women seeking abortions before the third trimester of pregnancy should not be subjected to the risks of administering anesthesia to the fetus -- which could cause bleeding, breathing problems and other complications, including death -- for the woman." "

I'd like to see the link for that please. I still have the whole survival of the fittest track of mind here. One thing we can make clear here is that it's not the child's fault for being created. Shouldn't take it out of them either by death. Heck for the whole bleeding, breathing problems, etc including death can happen even AFTER birth. Can be INCLUDED during as well...but it isn't that child's fault. People KNOW what sex brings...it is the second greatest force on this earth. Both people should know enough to use protection instead of killing a innocent being. Also to MAN up or WOMAN up when the test shows that a child is involved. The child didn't ask to be here...it was the arrogance of the parent in questioning and the lack of the right steps is why it was placed.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_pain2.htm
I can respond to the rest of that later. I'll be back.

Not a problem at all...come back when you can, I'll give your provided link a look.

[The Forbidden Soul]

NerdFighterr

Wow because fetuses are people too?
Maybe your mon should have aborted you.

I only posted this cause you said wow like it was a surprise.

[l_Kimana_l]

It really comes down to what you call 'life' and what side you stand on.

For example: You are young and have an unwanted 'oops', so you have an abortion.
But lets say you are older and are now able to handle the responsibility of a child, but an accident, lets say attacked or involved in a drunk driving incident, cuts the life short and you lose the child due to someones actions and you lost the ability to have more children. Would you want that person, your attacker, to receive punishment for the child and the ability to have more children he/she took from you? And if so, what is the difference between them and you at a younger age?

It all depends on personal choices. While I am Pro-Life, I won't stand here and call you a baby killer, sense that is your choice to make, not mine.

While I am pro-life, I do see where an abortion could be needed, such as: rape, high possibility of the child and/or mother dying, or the chance of sever abnormalities that might limit the child's life.

All-in-all, it comes down to the parents and what they think is best.

*EDIT!!*
By the this statement I was referring to OP, not my thoughts on the matter.
I will not tell anyone they are wrong in their thought, even if I don't agree with it, since it it THEIR opinions, just as I have my own opinion and would not like for someone to tell me my ideas are wrong, just because they don't understand them or are against them. Thank you!
Hope that cleared up any confusion out there.

[Lucky~9~Lives]

l_Kimana_l

While I am pro-life, I do see where an abortion could be needed, such as: rape, high possibility of the child and/or mother dying, or the chance of sever abnormalities that might limit the child's life.

All-in-all, it comes down to the parents and what they think is best.

That makes you pro-choice, not pro-life; pro-life is "what is best for the fetus".

[l_Kimana_l]

Lucky~9~Lives

l_Kimana_l

While I am pro-life, I do see where an abortion could be needed, such as: rape, high possibility of the child and/or mother dying, or the chance of sever abnormalities that might limit the child's life.

All-in-all, it comes down to the parents and what they think is best.

That makes you pro-choice, not pro-life; pro-life is "what is best for the fetus".

I was stating what OP was thinking of and responding to that... If you would read my whole quote you would understand that I am Pro-Life , with reasonable exceptions. I do not believe in your pointed out text...

[Lucky~9~Lives]

l_Kimana_l

Lucky~9~Lives

l_Kimana_l

While I am pro-life, I do see where an abortion could be needed, such as: rape, high possibility of the child and/or mother dying, or the chance of sever abnormalities that might limit the child's life.

All-in-all, it comes down to the parents and what they think is best.

That makes you pro-choice, not pro-life; pro-life is "what is best for the fetus".

I was stating what OP was thinking of and responding to that... If you would read my whole quote you would understand that I am Pro-Life , with reasonable exceptions.

Exceptions that disqualify you from being pro-life. I've emphasized above (bold red) the view that places you firmly in the pro-choice camp - the pro-life view is that it comes down to what is best for the fetus, even if that is not what the parents think is best.

[l_Kimana_l]

Lucky~9~Lives

l_Kimana_l

Lucky~9~Lives

l_Kimana_l

While I am pro-life, I do see where an abortion could be needed, such as: rape, high possibility of the child and/or mother dying, or the chance of sever abnormalities that might limit the child's life.

All-in-all, it comes down to the parents and what they think is best.

That makes you pro-choice, not pro-life; pro-life is "what is best for the fetus".

I was stating what OP was thinking of and responding to that... If you would read my whole quote you would understand that I am Pro-Life , with reasonable exceptions.

Exceptions that disqualify you from being pro-life. I've emphasized above (bold red) the view that places you firmly in the pro-choice camp - the pro-life view is that it comes down to what is best for the fetus, even if that is not what the parents think is best.

That was my response to the OP, not MY IDEAS. I was stating what most Pro-Choice people think and saying that I won't form a judgement on them, as it it THEIR CHOICE to make on the matter and for me to say that they are wrong is against my personal morals.
Pro-Life, with reasonable expectations does not make you automatically Pro-Choice, it means that you accept that if a child is born with a sever deformation, it would be best for the child to be aborted, instead of risk sever pain while alive.

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While I am pro-life, I do see where an abortion could be needed, such as: rape, high possibility of the child and/or mother dying, or the chance of sever abnormalities that might limit the child's life.

All-in-all, it comes down to the parents and what they think is best.

That makes you pro-choice, not pro-life; pro-life is "what is best for the fetus".

I was stating what OP was thinking of and responding to that... If you would read my whole quote you would understand that I am Pro-Life , with reasonable exceptions.

Exceptions that disqualify you from being pro-life. I've emphasized above (bold red) the view that places you firmly in the pro-choice camp - the pro-life view is that it comes down to what is best for the fetus, even if that is not what the parents think is best.

That was my response to the OP, not MY IDEAS.

Oh, I thought you were saying YOU think it comes down to what the parents think is best. Sorry, my bad. I am a little slow too today.
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