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God is always depicted as a man. Why not a women. The bible never really says what he/she/it is. My opinion is that he is genderless, the all mighty, but Adam did come before Eve. So???
 
     
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The Bible very clearly states what sex YHVH is.

Read this thread. Then we will talk.
     
Marshal67
The Bible very clearly states what sex YHVH is.

Read this thread. Then we will talk.
The english version defines it- it's a translation that is proven to be inacurate.
The origonal text does define god as male, but not always.

Personally, if the Christian god does exsist- it doesn't make sense for it to be male- men do not birth life, women do.
As for Adam before Eve- 2 comments
A. Adam was a rough draft, God saw the mistakes, and made Eve.
B. Eve was created first, decided she needed something to boggle her mind, God created Adam.
 
     
 
Blackhorn- the Legend
The origonal text does define god as male, but not always.


Did you read the link I posted? Or are you just ignoring it?

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Personally, if the Christian god does exsist- it doesn't make sense for it to be male- men do not birth life, women do.


Mankind was not originally "birthed." You cannot hold YHVH to our standards. YHVH made them, YHVH can break them

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A. Adam was a rough draft, God saw the mistakes, and made Eve.
B. Eve was created first, decided she needed something to boggle her mind, God created Adam.


Neither of which have any biblical backing whatsoever and therefore are not admissible here. Unless you have scripture to back those up.
     
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The origonal text does define god as male, but not always.


Did you read the link I posted? Or are you just ignoring it?

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Personally, if the Christian god does exsist- it doesn't make sense for it to be male- men do not birth life, women do.


Mankind was not originally "birthed." You cannot hold YHVH to our standards. YHVH made them, YHVH can break them

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A. Adam was a rough draft, God saw the mistakes, and made Eve.
B. Eve was created first, decided she needed something to boggle her mind, God created Adam.


Neither of which have any biblical backing whatsoever and therefore are not admissible here. Unless you have scripture to back those up.
I read your link post, and I happen to have my own opinions.

I can hold Yaweh to any standard I desire- it's my beleif. I will be the one to answer for it. And to create life, in any way, is still a womans job.

The bible was written and re-written by men in a society that at the time felt women were no more than objects and only marginally above slaves. Do you really think I'm going to beleive it word for word?
 
     
 
By definition, you can't predicate the Divine Nature of a gender. Gender is something that's almost entirely predicated of bodies...but by definition God is not a body. He is not composed of matter and form.

However, when God took a human nature, He did become a man. Jesus wasn't a woman.
     
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By definition, you can't predicate the Divine Nature of a gender. Gender is something that's almost entirely predicated of bodies...but by definition God is not a body. He is not composed of matter and form.

However, when God took a human nature, He did become a man. Jesus wasn't a woman.
Again, this is based on a book written by men- how much of it was Divine word, and how much of it was inturpretted differently over the generations for the benefit of men?
 
     
 
Blackhorn- the Legend
Again, this is based on a book written by men- how much of it was Divine word, and how much of it was inturpretted differently over the generations for the benefit of men?


For the record, I'd like to point out that I am a Catholic, and therefore I have other sources than the Bible to tell me that Jesus was a male. I also have the Magisterium of the Church and the Sacred Tradition passed on by the Apostles. I don't believe in Sola Scriptura, and there's no reason to do so.

If you are referring to what I said about God not being a body, I'm not pulling that from the Bible. You can find the same thing in the Neo-Platonists and the vast majority of Mideival Philosophy.
     
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Blackhorn- the Legend
Again, this is based on a book written by men- how much of it was Divine word, and how much of it was inturpretted differently over the generations for the benefit of men?


For the record, I'd like to point out that I am a Catholic, and therefore I have other sources than the Bible to tell me that Jesus was a male. I also have the Magisterium of the Church and the Sacred Tradition passed on by the Apostles. I don't believe in Sola Scriptura, and there's no reason to do so.

If you are referring to what I said about God not being a body, I'm not pulling that from the Bible. You can find the same thing in the Neo-Platonists and the vast majority of Mideival Philosophy.
AGain- all written by the hand of men. It's subject to the ideas and ideologies of the male that creates them.
 
     
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Blasphemer! God is male, every good Christian knows that!

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Blackhorn- the Legend
AGain- all written by the hand of men. It's subject to the ideas and ideologies of the male that creates them.


As concerning the Magisterium of the Church

Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam
Urged by faith, we are obliged to believe and to maintain that the Church is one, holy, catholic, and also apostolic. We believe in her firmly and we confess with simplicity that outside of her there is neither salvation nor the remission of sins, as the Spouse in the Canticles [Sgs 6:8] proclaims: 'One is my dove, my perfect one. She is the only one, the chosen of her who bore her,' and she represents one sole mystical body whose Head is Christ and the head of Christ is God [1 Cor 11:3]. In her then is one Lord, one faith, one baptism [Eph 4:5]. There had been at the time of the deluge only one ark of Noah, prefiguring the one Church, which ark, having been finished to a single cubit, had only one pilot and guide, i.e., Noah, and we read that, outside of this ark, all that subsisted on the earth was destroyed.

We venerate this Church as one, the Lord having said by the mouth of the prophet: 'Deliver, O God, my soul from the sword and my only one from the hand of the dog.' [Ps 21:20] He has prayed for his soul, that is for himself, heart and body; and this body, that is to say, the Church, He has called one because of the unity of the Spouse, of the faith, of the sacraments, and of the charity of the Church. This is the tunic of the Lord, the seamless tunic, which was not rent but which was cast by lot [Jn 19:23-24]. Therefore, of the one and only Church there is one body and one head, not two heads like a monster; that is, Christ and the Vicar of Christ, Peter and the successor of Peter, since the Lord speaking to Peter Himself said: 'Feed my sheep' [Jn 21:17], meaning, my sheep in general, not these, nor those in particular, whence we understand that He entrusted all to him [Peter]. Therefore, if the Greeks or others should say that they are not confided to Peter and to his successors, they must confess not being the sheep of Christ, since Our Lord says in John 'there is one sheepfold and one shepherd.' We are informed by the texts of the gospels that in this Church and in its power are two swords; namely, the spiritual and the temporal. For when the Apostles say: 'Behold, here are two swords' [Lk 22:38] that is to say, in the Church, since the Apostles were speaking, the Lord did not reply that there were too many, but sufficient. Certainly the one who denies that the temporal sword is in the power of Peter has not listened well to the word of the Lord commanding: 'Put up thy sword into thy scabbard' [Mt 26:52]. Both, therefore, are in the power of the Church, that is to say, the spiritual and the material sword, but the former is to be administered _for_ the Church but the latter by the Church; the former in the hands of the priest; the latter by the hands of kings and soldiers, but at the will and sufferance of the priest.

However, one sword ought to be subordinated to the other and temporal authority, subjected to spiritual power. For since the Apostle said: 'There is no power except from God and the things that are, are ordained of God' [Rom 13:1-2], but they would not be ordained if one sword were not subordinated to the other and if the inferior one, as it were, were not led upwards by the other.

For, according to the Blessed Dionysius, it is a law of the divinity that the lowest things reach the highest place by intermediaries. Then, according to the order of the universe, all things are not led back to order equally and immediately, but the lowest by the intermediary, and the inferior by the superior. Hence we must recognize the more clearly that spiritual power surpasses in dignity and in nobility any temporal power whatever, as spiritual things surpass the temporal. This we see very clearly also by the payment, benediction, and consecration of the tithes, but the acceptance of power itself and by the government even of things. For with truth as our witness, it belongs to spiritual power to establish the terrestrial power and to pass judgement if it has not been good. Thus is accomplished the prophecy of Jeremias concerning the Church and the ecclesiastical power: 'Behold to-day I have placed you over nations, and over kingdoms' and the rest. Therefore, if the terrestrial power err, it will be judged by the spiritual power; but if a minor spiritual power err, it will be judged by a superior spiritual power; but if the highest power of all err, it can be judged only by God, and not by man, according to the testimony of the Apostle: 'The spiritual man judgeth of all things and he himself is judged by no man' [1 Cor 2:15]. This authority, however, (though it has been given to man and is exercised by man), is not human but rather divine, granted to Peter by a divine word and reaffirmed to him (Peter) and his successors by the One Whom Peter confessed, the Lord saying to Peter himself, 'Whatsoever you shall bind on earth, shall be bound also in Heaven' etc., [Mt 16:19]. Therefore whoever resists this power thus ordained by God, resists the ordinance of God [Rom 13:2], unless he invent like Manicheus two beginnings, which is false and judged by us heretical, since according to the testimony of Moses, it is not in the beginnings but in the beginning that God created heaven and earth [Gen 1:1]. Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.


As concerning the Neo-Platonists and the other philosophers...are you clinically retarded?
 
     
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1 Unto the end, a psalm for David. The fool hath said in his heart: There is no God, They are corrupt, and are become abominable in their ways: there is none that doth good, no not one.
 
Just thought that I'd chime in here for a minute...although life and birth are maintained to be the jobs/obligations of women God is indeed a man. Else why would Jesus have called God "father"? has anyone ever stopped to think that little tidbit through? I don't think too many pay attention to the wording in the Bible although many do. I know many do because I've just read all of your arguments. You all have very valid points but I don't think anyone can change my mind to God being a man no matter how many shirts are made with these quotes "It's a girls game. Just Ask God. She told me so." and so forth.
     
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I read your link post, and I happen to have my own opinions.


How many times...

Opinions don't matter in the ED, we cite our sources here. If you want to debate opinions go to the GD and don't waste our time.

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I can hold Yaweh to any standard I desire- it's my beleif.


God is what the Bible says. To say otherwise is ludicrous since that is what the faith is based off of. Doing what you are doing is like saying 2+2=5. When you math teachers then tell you it is 4 you proceed to stick your fingers in your ears and rant about having your own belief.

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And to create life, in any way, is still a womans job.


Prove that YHVH is held to the standard of men and disprove the book of Genesis while you are at it.

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The bible was written and re-written by men in a society that at the time felt women were no more than objects and only marginally above slaves. Do you really think I'm going to believe it word for word?


The Bible says no such thing, and most of the writers had the up-most respect for women. I suggest you go back, read it again, find out what it says then come back and debate the issue.
 
     
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Speaking clearly based on logical terms, God has no use for a p***s or a v****a and therefore why should we assume God has a Gender? Pronouns are used to describe God for the sake of simplicity, or it's because that is how he appeared to people.

But still, the Gender of God is a moot point because it has no real impact on the Christian religion whether or not God has a p***s.
     
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Blackhorn- the Legend
Again, this is based on a book written by men- how much of it was Divine word, and how much of it was inturpretted differently over the generations for the benefit of men?


For the record, I'd like to point out that I am a Catholic, and therefore I have other sources than the Bible to tell me that Jesus was a male. I also have the Magisterium of the Church and the Sacred Tradition passed on by the Apostles. I don't believe in Sola Scriptura, and there's no reason to do so.

If you are referring to what I said about God not being a body, I'm not pulling that from the Bible. You can find the same thing in the Neo-Platonists and the vast majority of Mideival Philosophy.
AGain- all written by the hand of men. It's subject to the ideas and ideologies of the male that creates them.


Blasphemer! Heretic! Do ye know not that the Lord in Heaven works by way of voting and amendments from Earthly authorities?! scream

Matthew 16:19 "...whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Makes me wonder how the Inquisition faired in Heaven...
 
     
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