Darkslider
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- Posted: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 03:18:19 +0000
The missionaries came over tonight, in fact they just left. There are a few interesting things that they left me with.
1. In discussing the Atonement, it was pointed out to me that Christ didn't just suffer for the sins of the world, he also suffered/felt all the physical pains/illnesses/infrimaties of the people of the world.
This isn't anything new to me, I have know about this for a long time. The part that was so damn intrigueing was the fact that according to the missionaries. . . the pain that Christ suffered for the sins was actually less painful than the suffering for the physical problems. This was because
Now, how can that be? I was always taught that the pain Christ suffered was because of our sins and that he felt our physical pains, but it was our sins that caused him to suffer most.
Do any of the apologists know if there was a recent shift to this way of thinking? I must admit that there are few current practices of the church that I pay attention to because "if the tree is evil, it bringeth forth evil fruit"
Another thing that was brought to my attention was that because I never sent in my letter of legal resignation from the church. . . I am still considered a member, and the requirements might be different. Even though I left the church completely, due to a technicality, the missionaries do not "hold the keys to . . . your rejoining the church". I actually have to speak with a bishop to find out what is going to be required.
I think I am going to show up to some random ward and talk to the first bishop that I see. "But I don't have a bishop! I haven't been to church in 6 years."
Or I will just talk to my fiance's bishop, because he knows that I exist.
1. In discussing the Atonement, it was pointed out to me that Christ didn't just suffer for the sins of the world, he also suffered/felt all the physical pains/illnesses/infrimaties of the people of the world.
This isn't anything new to me, I have know about this for a long time. The part that was so damn intrigueing was the fact that according to the missionaries. . . the pain that Christ suffered for the sins was actually less painful than the suffering for the physical problems. This was because
Elder M***
The "pain" or guilt that is suffered by people, spiritually, for sinning is a more general experience. The feeling is the same no matter what sin is commited even if the cause of it is different, because all sins are us breaking a commandment.
Now, how can that be? I was always taught that the pain Christ suffered was because of our sins and that he felt our physical pains, but it was our sins that caused him to suffer most.
Do any of the apologists know if there was a recent shift to this way of thinking? I must admit that there are few current practices of the church that I pay attention to because "if the tree is evil, it bringeth forth evil fruit"
Another thing that was brought to my attention was that because I never sent in my letter of legal resignation from the church. . . I am still considered a member, and the requirements might be different. Even though I left the church completely, due to a technicality, the missionaries do not "hold the keys to . . . your rejoining the church". I actually have to speak with a bishop to find out what is going to be required.
I think I am going to show up to some random ward and talk to the first bishop that I see. "But I don't have a bishop! I haven't been to church in 6 years."
Or I will just talk to my fiance's bishop, because he knows that I exist.