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How is God a bully? He tells you not to do things that are sinful, which will benefit you.


Hmmm...

Sooo do tell, boss, what's the benefit in up and leaving my girlfriend who has given me nothing but support, anchorage to sanity, and love for over 10 years now, not to mention aided me in getting financially stasble? After all, homosexuality is a sin....

Also, how am I benefitted from being prevented from working on a Sunday? Maybe I run a business who get's a large number of customers on that day, indeed, it could be the busiest day of the year for me. How does suddenly throwing that away benefit me?

Oh, and since I am nmot, as a woman, to hold authority over men, I have to give up my position at my workplace. Explain how I"m benefitted there?
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Because wives must be submissive to their husband? Let me answer this with our culture point of view of relationships:
The husband takes care of the wife.
The man wears the pants in the relationship.
The man is expected to lead the women on the right track and be a positive influence on her.

See where I'm going with this? I can see how girls would think its sexism, but its more simple to see it through our culture today.


It is sexist. Men have one boss spiritually, women have two. That's being lower in the hierarchy.
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Most believe that they are putting God first. Many are willing to die and suffer persecution for it, even it comes from those that claim to be their brethren.


The mouth speaks overflow from the heart. Luke 6:45. So if someone is giving a message without a concern for God, I wonder what's in their heart. But only God is can judge that. Regardless, a bad message is still a bad message no matter the intention. That's why it's important Christians keep others in check. Narrow is the road of righteousness and wide is the path to destruction, after all. Matthew 7:13. We all need to keep our eyes open.
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Most believe that they are putting God first. Many are willing to die and suffer persecution for it, even it comes from those that claim to be their brethren.


The mouth speaks overflow from the heart. Luke 6:45. So if someone is giving a message without a concern for God, I wonder what's in their heart. But only God is can judge that. Regardless, a bad message is still a bad message no matter the intention. That's why it's important Christians keep others in check. Narrow is the road of righteousness and wide is the path to destruction, after all. Matthew 7:13. We all need to keep our eyes open.


What you say is true, but then the problem is figuring out what the difference is between righteousness and destruction. The Catholic Church is taking basic human rights away from people with the claim to righteousness. Is it okay to stop people who truly and deeply love each other from getting married? Is it okay to stop me, who has several medical conditions and is incapable of carrying a child, from safe sex? Is it okay to stop someone from basic human rights because of how they were born?

I'm also not sure if giving a message without factoring in God is really that dangerous. I know several atheists who are outstanding people--in fact, one of them is my best friend, Selvi, and I've learned a lot from her. I wouldn't have realized what repentance really, truly was if it weren't for her. Selvi treated someone who had hurt both of us with care and forgiveness and I didn't--she was better than me in that moment, and I realized I should forgive the person who had hurt us and acknowledge I had hurt them, as well.

I don't think you should EVER underestimate the people in your life, or what they say and do. It's true we humans are capable of terrible acts and great cruelty, but we're also capable of unspeakable beauty and integrity, with or without religion. Human beings manage to surprise me over and over and over again with their goodness.

I think God will be there in the people you know and meet, regardless of their religion or if they factor God into their words or actions. c:
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Because wives must be submissive to their husband? Let me answer this with our culture point of view of relationships:
The husband takes care of the wife.
The man wears the pants in the relationship.
The man is expected to lead the women on the right track and be a positive influence on her.

See where I'm going with this? I can see how girls would think its sexism, but its more simple to see it through our culture today.


It is sexist. Men have one boss spiritually, women have two. That's being lower in the hierarchy.
Thank you for exposing these flawed beliefs, but i have to say you're giving him too much credit by appealing to the terminology of divinity and scripture to facilitate his bigotry.
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How is God a bully? He tells you not to do things that are sinful, which will benefit you.


Hmmm...

Sooo do tell, boss, what's the benefit in up and leaving my girlfriend who has given me nothing but support, anchorage to sanity, and love for over 10 years now, not to mention aided me in getting financially stasble? After all, homosexuality is a sin....

Also, how am I benefitted from being prevented from working on a Sunday? Maybe I run a business who get's a large number of customers on that day, indeed, it could be the busiest day of the year for me. How does suddenly throwing that away benefit me?

Oh, and since I am nmot, as a woman, to hold authority over men, I have to give up my position at my workplace. Explain how I"m benefitted there?


So you mean to say that working on sunday is a sin or what..?
http://www.gotquestions.org/working-on-Sunday.html

Who said you have to give it up?
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Yeah...that's in the quran. Have you ever actually study the bible?(if I may ask) :l
You should before making those kind of claims....
How is the bible sexist? There are many great women of the Bible...
http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/5-strong-women-from-the-bible/
And there's way more than that.
Is it sexist because God is male? What if He was female? It would still be sexist, right?
Because Eve, a woman, ate the forbidden fruit? So did Adam. In fact, Adam was with her when it happened. Authority was given to man over woman was a punishment of what Eve did...

Gen3: 16-19 To the woman he said, “I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.” To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat of it,’ “Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.” NIV

Because wives must be submissive to their husband? Let me answer this with our culture point of view of relationships:
The husband takes care of the wife.
The man wears the pants in the relationship.
The man is expected to lead the women on the right track and be a positive influence on her.

See where I'm going with this? I can see how girls would think its sexism, but its more simple to see it through our culture today.


I'm in agreement with you that there are many strong women in the Bible, I look up to them very much so. c:

God isn't male, the human aspect of God is male. God is an omniscient being beyond the limits of gender and more of a force--we just personify God as Christians to better understand Him within out human limits. And it makes it feel more personal. c:

That view of marriage is actually quite sexist--it assumes men are better than women when this isn't true. It also creates absolute dependency in a relationship which is unhealthy and can be abusive.

I've been in an emotionally abusive relationship before, and my ex did everything he could to make me emotionally, spiritually, and mentally dependent on him. When he and I began to grow apart and I began to develop my own independence, he didn't like it because he no longer had power over me, and ended our relationship. And then he said it was my fault.

So, sorry but I don't buy that bullshit, even as a Christian.

In short I was just saying that its a man's duty to take care of his woman.
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Ah okay.

Vatican is catholicism.
What denomination says you go to hell for masturbation? As christians we believe that we can't go to hell for our sins because Jesus paid the price for us on the cross. To tell the truth, I have a hard time with masturbation xP
Maybe the puritans did that because they didn't want to do something they'd considered bad?
How is God a bully? He tells you not to do things that are sinful, which will benefit you. The "do this and that" is someway of describing religion. We christian do not see our "religion" like that. We see it as a relationship with Him.
We all die. What are you saying?
No. It doesn't promote hatred. It just clearly says that christians will be hated because of jesus' name sake. you for instance hate christians. You declared so yourself.although it is widespread, it is a minority compared to the rest of the world. When I look throughout Gaiaonline, I can see that people don't enjoy christians very much. :l

Btw where in the bible did it say that?
Where did it say what? The wife beating thing? *googles* could only find rule of thumb, guess I was mistaken about that, still gonna google a little more.
http://members.shaw.ca/tfrisen/Bbl/Sexism/Sexism.html I was wrong, but the bible still is sexist.

Yeah...that's in the quran. Have you ever actually study the bible?(if I may ask) :l
You should before making those kind of claims....
How is the bible sexist? There are many great women of the Bible...
http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/5-strong-women-from-the-bible/
And there's way more than that.
Is it sexist because God is male? What if He was female? It would still be sexist, right?
Because Eve, a woman, ate the forbidden fruit? So did Adam. In fact, Adam was with her when it happened. Authority was given to man over woman was a punishment of what Eve did...

Gen3: 16-19 To the woman he said, “I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.” To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat of it,’ “Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.” NIV

Because wives must be submissive to their husband? Let me answer this with our culture point of view of relationships:
The husband takes care of the wife.
The man wears the pants in the relationship.
The man is expected to lead the women on the right track and be a positive influence on her.

See where I'm going with this? I can see how girls would think its sexism, but its more simple to see it through our culture today.
hmmmm

Hmmmm indeed. C:
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Well I did lose interest since I threw all my stronger, although ruder, arguements at the beginning.
I don't believe in God because of contradictions I see, such as historically believers have been used and manipulated, like crusades. Witch hunts. Witch hunts honestly were to take pwoer away from alternate faiths, as the crusades were. What happened to love thy neighbor? lol.

Not all christians are bad, but also I thinkc hristianity is a hindrance to forms of progress, not that Im supporting everyone be robots. People can love without religion, those people who are pure intentioned, if god were real, would be forgiven I believe. But what of a murderer or rapist? people think even if they believe that they will be saved. That is unfair, when someone who is pure can be condemned, because of an opposing faith.
Christians don't do it today, because of governments, they say they dont do bad cuz its illegal, well I wouldnt do bad if its legal or not, although calling it 'bad' is biased.
Alot of people say without the law or god people wouldnt be moral. Religion and the governments werent even moral in the first place so I dont see how this arguement should be used, and I dont mean to imply you have used it.

Alot of people dont care about the little things, like choosing something tasty vs healthy, something pretty instead of proper. Because they have heaven to look forward to, they dont have a reason to care about their health. But when people are unhealthy they get moody, when they are moody they say things they dont intend and hurt feelings, when they hurt feelings, people start believing what they hear if they are kids, then those kids have problems and no one cares because no one gives a f** about anything but their souls and their family's souls. Its why some christian nearly beat to death the girl his sister was dating, he wanted to save his sister's soul.

And 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions'. SO really, I will never believe that nonsense again. But yeah, not every christian is bad.

But the fact that countries with higher rates of atheism also have better education alone should say that when they reached a certain knowledge they came to not believe in god, and poor countries tend to believe more because its easier for the suffering to believe, because they can cope and distract themselves with it.

If I cannot convince you I cannot convince you.

I respect what you believe and you have the right to chose what you believe. c:
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How is God a bully? He tells you not to do things that are sinful, which will benefit you.


Hmmm...

Sooo do tell, boss, what's the benefit in up and leaving my girlfriend who has given me nothing but support, anchorage to sanity, and love for over 10 years now, not to mention aided me in getting financially stasble? After all, homosexuality is a sin....

Also, how am I benefitted from being prevented from working on a Sunday? Maybe I run a business who get's a large number of customers on that day, indeed, it could be the busiest day of the year for me. How does suddenly throwing that away benefit me?

Oh, and since I am nmot, as a woman, to hold authority over men, I have to give up my position at my workplace. Explain how I"m benefitted there?


So you mean to say that working on sunday is a sin or what..?
http://www.gotquestions.org/working-on-Sunday.html

Who said you have to give it up?


Duly noted on the Sabbath question, I'll consider it more than answered.

As for the other

“Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence” (1 Tim. 2:11-12)

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Yeah...that's in the quran. Have you ever actually study the bible?(if I may ask) :l
You should before making those kind of claims....
How is the bible sexist? There are many great women of the Bible...
http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/5-strong-women-from-the-bible/
And there's way more than that.
Is it sexist because God is male? What if He was female? It would still be sexist, right?
Because Eve, a woman, ate the forbidden fruit? So did Adam. In fact, Adam was with her when it happened. Authority was given to man over woman was a punishment of what Eve did...

Gen3: 16-19 To the woman he said, “I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.” To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat of it,’ “Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.” NIV

Because wives must be submissive to their husband? Let me answer this with our culture point of view of relationships:
The husband takes care of the wife.
The man wears the pants in the relationship.
The man is expected to lead the women on the right track and be a positive influence on her.

See where I'm going with this? I can see how girls would think its sexism, but its more simple to see it through our culture today.


I'm in agreement with you that there are many strong women in the Bible, I look up to them very much so. c:

God isn't male, the human aspect of God is male. God is an omniscient being beyond the limits of gender and more of a force--we just personify God as Christians to better understand Him within out human limits. And it makes it feel more personal. c:

That view of marriage is actually quite sexist--it assumes men are better than women when this isn't true. It also creates absolute dependency in a relationship which is unhealthy and can be abusive.

I've been in an emotionally abusive relationship before, and my ex did everything he could to make me emotionally, spiritually, and mentally dependent on him. When he and I began to grow apart and I began to develop my own independence, he didn't like it because he no longer had power over me, and ended our relationship. And then he said it was my fault.

So, sorry but I don't buy that bullshit, even as a Christian.

In short I was just saying that its a man's duty to take care of his woman.
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Yeah...that's in the quran. Have you ever actually study the bible?(if I may ask) :l
You should before making those kind of claims....
How is the bible sexist? There are many great women of the Bible...
http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/5-strong-women-from-the-bible/
And there's way more than that.
Is it sexist because God is male? What if He was female? It would still be sexist, right?
Because Eve, a woman, ate the forbidden fruit? So did Adam. In fact, Adam was with her when it happened. Authority was given to man over woman was a punishment of what Eve did...

Gen3: 16-19 To the woman he said, “I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.” To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat of it,’ “Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.” NIV

Because wives must be submissive to their husband? Let me answer this with our culture point of view of relationships:
The husband takes care of the wife.
The man wears the pants in the relationship.
The man is expected to lead the women on the right track and be a positive influence on her.

See where I'm going with this? I can see how girls would think its sexism, but its more simple to see it through our culture today.


I'm in agreement with you that there are many strong women in the Bible, I look up to them very much so. c:

God isn't male, the human aspect of God is male. God is an omniscient being beyond the limits of gender and more of a force--we just personify God as Christians to better understand Him within out human limits. And it makes it feel more personal. c:

That view of marriage is actually quite sexist--it assumes men are better than women when this isn't true. It also creates absolute dependency in a relationship which is unhealthy and can be abusive.

I've been in an emotionally abusive relationship before, and my ex did everything he could to make me emotionally, spiritually, and mentally dependent on him. When he and I began to grow apart and I began to develop my own independence, he didn't like it because he no longer had power over me, and ended our relationship. And then he said it was my fault.

So, sorry but I don't buy that bullshit, even as a Christian.

In short I was just saying that its a man's duty to take care of his woman.
sexist and traditional of u

Is it not a husband's duty take care and protect his wife?
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Yeah...that's in the quran. Have you ever actually study the bible?(if I may ask) :l
You should before making those kind of claims....
How is the bible sexist? There are many great women of the Bible...
http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/5-strong-women-from-the-bible/
And there's way more than that.
Is it sexist because God is male? What if He was female? It would still be sexist, right?
Because Eve, a woman, ate the forbidden fruit? So did Adam. In fact, Adam was with her when it happened. Authority was given to man over woman was a punishment of what Eve did...

Gen3: 16-19 To the woman he said, “I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.” To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat of it,’ “Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.” NIV

Because wives must be submissive to their husband? Let me answer this with our culture point of view of relationships:
The husband takes care of the wife.
The man wears the pants in the relationship.
The man is expected to lead the women on the right track and be a positive influence on her.

See where I'm going with this? I can see how girls would think its sexism, but its more simple to see it through our culture today.


I'm in agreement with you that there are many strong women in the Bible, I look up to them very much so. c:

God isn't male, the human aspect of God is male. God is an omniscient being beyond the limits of gender and more of a force--we just personify God as Christians to better understand Him within out human limits. And it makes it feel more personal. c:

That view of marriage is actually quite sexist--it assumes men are better than women when this isn't true. It also creates absolute dependency in a relationship which is unhealthy and can be abusive.

I've been in an emotionally abusive relationship before, and my ex did everything he could to make me emotionally, spiritually, and mentally dependent on him. When he and I began to grow apart and I began to develop my own independence, he didn't like it because he no longer had power over me, and ended our relationship. And then he said it was my fault.

So, sorry but I don't buy that bullshit, even as a Christian.

In short I was just saying that its a man's duty to take care of his woman.
sexist and traditional of u

Is it not a husband's duty take care and protect his wife?
what if the husband is a cripple, is he not allowed a woman?

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