Convert Me!!!

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Ratreoz

Lucky~9~Lives

Why can't falsehoods do any good?

Because it doesn't correspond to reality and will endanger your survival?

Another point to make is that falsehoods can be very persistent, as creationists have demonstrated.

Actually, there can be some benefits through the belief in falsehoods. Specifically, the placebo effect. It may not actually do anything, but believing in it can give a person a sense of peace. Psychology has seen this on several occasions, and it's one reason why many psychology/psychiatry patients find comfort in religion.

[Ratreoz]

Lucky~9~Lives

Ironic that humanity has developed denial as a defense-mechanism, then. I do agree with your general point, though.

As I understand it, the point of denial as a defense mechanism is that it is short term. You push the problems aside until you have time to deal with it.

Falsehoods, especially those dressed up as religion, tend to be permanent.

[Ratreoz]

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Actually, there can be some benefits through the belief in falsehoods. Specifically, the placebo effect. It may not actually do anything, but believing in it can give a person a sense of peace. Psychology has seen this on several occasions, and it's one reason why many psychology/psychiatry patients find comfort in religion.

I'm going to claim that the same sense of peace can be achieved without resorting to falsehoods. I doubt any research has been done on this, so I can't support it with evidence (sadly).

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Ratreoz

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Actually, there can be some benefits through the belief in falsehoods. Specifically, the placebo effect. It may not actually do anything, but believing in it can give a person a sense of peace. Psychology has seen this on several occasions, and it's one reason why many psychology/psychiatry patients find comfort in religion.

I'm going to claim that the same sense of peace can be achieved without resorting to falsehoods. I doubt any research has been done on this, so I can't support it with evidence (sadly).

It's possible. But it's hard to know, since we can't really rewind time and give the person a different set of circumstances in which to make their decision. That has a lot to do with it. We can only speculate other options for each individual.

I can actually give an interesting tidbit thanks to my own experience with delusion (yes, actual psychiatric delusion). I have felt a sense of security and peace with the knowledge of a deity interacting with me, whether it was actually real or not. It very well could have been false and just a manifestation of my own mind - but it gave me security.

However, I often do accomplish the same sense of security and peace with my own strength, through Satanism. It's one reason why I wear my pendant. It's energizing for me.

[Lucky~9~Lives]

Ratreoz

Lucky~9~Lives

Ironic that humanity has developed denial as a defense-mechanism, then. I do agree with your general point, though.

As I understand it, the point of denial as a defense mechanism is that it is short term. You push the problems aside until you have time to deal with it.

Falsehoods, especially those dressed up as religion, tend to be permanent.

True enough.

[MiniSiets]

Ramdatta

ok, that is correct! congrats!
Now how about the everything in existance?

This is the second time I've had to quote myself this week, and on the same exact issue.

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One thing that really grinds my gears is the assumption that believers always make where they seem to think we absolutely NEED an answer for how the universe was created and how life began, etc. etc. And just because they have one, regardless of how absurd and unsupported it may be, somehow gives them some intellectual high ground. Well I have news for you buddy, it doesn't. The fact is, we're human, and we don't have all the answers for everything, so rather than just making up superstitious nonsense to satisfy my curiosity, I prefer to just accept reality and wait until we actually can find the right answers through observable fact and proof, not just making up answers for the sake of having them. So you're right, I don't have an answer for how the universe might have come into existence, but I don't need one, and there is certainly no reason to assume over any other possibility that it's because of some almighty all-powerful god that just poofed itself into existence for no apparent reason whatsoever. Just because we don't have the answers, doesn't mean there can't be others out there that we just haven't discovered yet.

[Radzzi]

Our body and this whole world seems too perfect to be made by itself right?

Ask a doctor. Ask an astronomy.

[Sweet Lou 22]

No! Judaism is not for everyone! You can't just go around trying to get people to convert! I can't do it damnit!

[Striga]

Ramdatta

Ratreoz

Ramdatta

What if you are wrong? What if God is real?

Maybe you could give us a reason to even consider the notion?

What if Zeus is real?
What if Odin is real?
What if Cthulhu is real?
What if Quetzalcoatl is real?
What if Mars is real?

Can you give me any reason to consider one over the others?

Yes, yes I can. There is a ancient book, that it took over 1500 years to make, called "The Word"
(In other words, The Bible)
I have heard Him speak to me, weather you believe it or not.
And why dont you answer my question?
Since I know some one will ask, God does not answer non-believers, he has no obligation to them.

There's older religious texts than that, you know.

Besides, making an argument of "Well, you'll just have to believe me" to someone who already doesn't believe you somehow doesn't seem like the most effective argument to make. For some reason.

Regardless, everybody knows that God is a crazy woman and her name is Eris, and that she constantly tells different people contradictory things about herself--like that she's a man, for example.

[jfgwjgKJHGgertjHJhdhjJH]

Hello again (sorry for the late replies - helping set up a wedding).

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I have yet to learn of any reason to believe in any of mankind's many deities. Moreover, I have observed that the believers usually have a hard time at defending their belief (All have failed so far).

We know, however, that the inability for someone of a belief to prove it to your liking doesn't invalidate it, nor does the prospect of every belief system being wrong discredit the idea of a God existing.

Another question: What would you count as viable reason for God existing? What would your criteria be, and how does those criteria's failure convince you otherwise?

Also, what attributes would you expect a God to have? How do you define "God?"

[hyper giggling girl]

Look out side trees are a master peice right? and no masterpice can be created with out an artist Jesus is that artist for me.You cant see the wind so how do u know its there???You dont have 2 go to church to be a christen some people rnt christens because they hate church just sit down and read the bible its the thing that will set u strat

[Biot-Savart Law]

hyper giggling girl

Look out side trees are a master peice right? and no masterpice can be created with out an artist Jesus is that artist for me.You cant see the wind so how do u know its there???You dont have 2 go to church to be a christen some people rnt christens because they hate church just sit down and read the bible its the thing that will set u strat

Our trees are kinda shitty...

[Ashley the Bee]

hyper giggling girl

Look out side trees are a master peice right? and no masterpice can be created with out an artist Jesus is that artist for me.You cant see the wind so how do u know its there???You dont have 2 go to church to be a christen some people rnt christens because they hate church just sit down and read the bible its the thing that will set u strat

Prove it =p

[Striga]

hyper giggling girl

Look out side trees are a master peice right?

Can't see any trees from here. But I've seen some damn ugly ones before that I would hesitate to call a masterpiece.

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and no masterpice can be created with out an artist Jesus is that artist for me.

Who says a master spice needs an artist?

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You cant see the wind so how do u know its there???

By detecting the air pressure and the movement of the flow.

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You dont have 2 go to church to be a christen some people rnt christens because they hate church just sit down and read the bible its the thing that will set u strat

The Principia Discordia's done as much for me as the Bible has.

[GuardianSoulX]

GreenEyedPale

FieryDragon250

So your asking to be converted off just logic? Or maybe you asked this because you believe that religions are all made up and can't be backed up?

Well there is proof, but the question is, "Will you be able to see it or will you be too narrow minded?"

First, why does such a topic interest you and so many other people?

If God didn't exist and no religion was right then why would it bother people so much? If no religion was right would religion even matter? Would trying to disproove it actually help people in their short life which would end in nothingness if there was no God? Wouldn't it just be a total waste of time? So why do people even bother trying to fight it?

But even though some believe that there is no God they still fight against people who believe. Why is this? Why does religion bug people who believe an no God?

Everyones life has a spot for friends, hobbies, and other things. These things make our lives fill more complete and when something our lifes have space for is missing then it bugs us. People try to fill voids in there life with stuff like drugs, money, or any other thing of the sort, but they are never truely satisfied.

So could it be that everyone has a spot in their life for God but they are trying to fill it with other things?

Then atheists see people who know God and there is something about them that just bugs them. A satisfaction that they have always yearned for but never been able to obtain, so they out of a subconsciense jealousy decide to disproove religion or argue against it?

But the argueing is just another attempt at filling a void inside which can only be filled by one thing and there attemps only leave them empty inside in the end. They want to be satisfied with life and have the hope people who believe in God have. They want to know that when they die their life won't just end forever. Deep inside they have a small bit of hope that wants to believe in something more than just living and dying.

You can read this and deny the truth, but I hope it will bug you and eventually lead you on the right path to salvation.

Agree

Double Agreed ^^