Kimihiro_Watanuki
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Tlara
"Everything is so complex, it has to be designed by some higher power." Take a look at that. If everthings is so ******** complex, it would take an even more complex being to create this reality. And that being would need another more complex being outside of its reality to create it. Irrducibility complex for the win.
Tlara
“YOU are my witnesses,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “even my servant whom I have chosen, in order that YOU may know and have faith in me, and that YOU may understand that I am the same One. Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none.
--Isa 43:10
--Isa 43:10
What makes this scripture valid evidence on a claim? What makes ANY scripture evidence of a claim? It's a fiction epic at best. Find a new source, or prove that this rpoves something.
Tlara
“Jehovah” is the best known English pronunciation of the divine name, although “Yahweh” is favored by most Hebrew scholars. The oldest Hebrew manuscripts present the name in the form of four consonants, commonly called the Tetragrammaton (from Greek te‧tra-, meaning “four,” and gram′ma, “letter”). These four letters (written from right to left) are יהוה and may be transliterated into English as YHWH (or, JHVH).
The name was in fact known and used by pagan nations both in pre-Common Era times and in the early centuries of the Common Era. (The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1976, Vol. XII, p. 119)
The name was in fact known and used by pagan nations both in pre-Common Era times and in the early centuries of the Common Era. (The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1976, Vol. XII, p. 119)
That, again, proves nothing except that the historical Jesus, did, most likely, exist. There are still records of many messwanical figures to take in such as the Egyptian Horus.
Kimihiro_Watanuki
Funny how a being that loves you would allow you to get hurt, isn't it?
Tlara
Wow you are verry bitter, however here is info on that too:
Jehovah knew from the beginning that mankind’s independence, or self-rule, would result in much suffering. Was it unjust of him, then, to allow the inevitable to run its course? Not at all! To illustrate: Suppose you have a child who needs surgery to cure a life-threatening ailment. You realize that the operation will cause your child a degree of suffering, and this deeply grieves you. At the same time, you know that the procedure will enable your child to enjoy better health later in life. Similarly, God knew—and even foretold—that his allowance of human rule would bring along with it a measure of pain and suffering. (Genesis 3:16-19) But he also knew that lasting and meaningful relief would be possible only if he allowed all mankind to see the bad fruitage produced by rebellion. In this way the issue could be settled permanently, for all eternity.
Jehovah knew from the beginning that mankind’s independence, or self-rule, would result in much suffering. Was it unjust of him, then, to allow the inevitable to run its course? Not at all! To illustrate: Suppose you have a child who needs surgery to cure a life-threatening ailment. You realize that the operation will cause your child a degree of suffering, and this deeply grieves you. At the same time, you know that the procedure will enable your child to enjoy better health later in life. Similarly, God knew—and even foretold—that his allowance of human rule would bring along with it a measure of pain and suffering. (Genesis 3:16-19) But he also knew that lasting and meaningful relief would be possible only if he allowed all mankind to see the bad fruitage produced by rebellion. In this way the issue could be settled permanently, for all eternity.
Bitter or not, it doesn't matter.
How it is it unevitable if God is all powerful? Could he not change the outcome? Then he is no all loving for making us suffer. If suffering is inevitable, then he is not all powerful, because he doesn't have the ability to sotp it. This is child's play. Surgery theses days requires almost no pain to perform.
Suffering is not neccessary for day to day function. Good health is. So what's your point again?
Kimihiro_Watanuki
Yes I have. It's jsut one more fear tactic people use to bribe you into religion. "If you don't do what God says, HE'LL SEND JOO 2 DA HELLZ FIYA! But he loves you."
Tlara
The word “hell” is found in many Bible translations. In the same verses other translations read “the grave,” “the world of the dead,” and so forth. Other Bibles simply transliterate the original-language words that are sometimes rendered “hell”; that is, they express them with the letters of our alphabet but leave the words untranslated. What are those words? The Hebrew she’ohl′ and its Greek equivalent hai′des, which refer, not to an individual burial place, but to the common grave of dead mankind; also the Greek ge′en‧na, which is used as a symbol of eternal destruction. However, both in Christendom and in many non-Christian religions it is taught that hell is a place inhabited by demons and where the wicked, after death, are punished (and some believe that this is with torment).
Eccl. 9:5, 10: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all . . . All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol,* the place to which you are going.” (If they are conscious of nothing, they obviously feel no pain.) (*“Sheol,” AS, RS, NE, JB; “the grave,” KJ, Kx; “hell,” Dy; “the world of the dead,” TEV.)
Ps. 146:4: “His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts* do perish.” (*“Thoughts,” KJ, 145:4 in Dy; “schemes,” JB; “plans,” RS, TEV.)
Eccl. 9:5, 10: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all . . . All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol,* the place to which you are going.” (If they are conscious of nothing, they obviously feel no pain.) (*“Sheol,” AS, RS, NE, JB; “the grave,” KJ, Kx; “hell,” Dy; “the world of the dead,” TEV.)
Ps. 146:4: “His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts* do perish.” (*“Thoughts,” KJ, 145:4 in Dy; “schemes,” JB; “plans,” RS, TEV.)
Thanks for the lesson in semantics. It doesn't prove much. Once again, hell is a scare tactic bribing people into religion. I've heard it from many Christians mouths that they do ghood things, because they want to go to heaven. I do things that I think are good, because I observe that they benifit me and others, not becasue of a selfish desire that I'll only know if it'll be fufilled after I die.
LaDemonta
Again. We need proof. ED is anot a "drop your bullshit and leave" kinda place. Support your argument or GTFO.
take your own counsil
It's impossible to prove a negative. I cannot disprove the existance of God, no more that I can disprove the existance of the Easter bunny, Santa Claus, unicorns, dragons, or Spratan 117. Yet most people who aren't considered delusional hold these entities as pure fiction, but God, is just as invalid and jsut as valid, is held by the vast majority of Earth's population as truth.
The thigns I stated are self-evident. It's common sense. I don't have to put that in a test tube and measure it.
