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So, I was wondering... if we do not have bodies in the next life, then how will we feel pain? It seems like a huge contradiction, because if we don't have sensory organs...

Then why should I be scared of Hell's flames?

Can I even see Hell's flames with "eyes"? Will I have eyes?

Discuss how you think "spirits" exist.
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I would imagine Hells fire to be quite enjoyable. The spirit of humanity never shines as bright as in the presence of such intense Love. Fire as an amicable symbol best portrays the Hell that modern Christianity wants to send some of its constituents to. Fortunately, Death is an experience, what lies beyond it is everyone mystery and I can guarantee you now:

"Anyone who says they know what happens when, during and after you die is full of less than nothing, and is unworthy of your time."
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So, I was wondering... if we do not have bodies in the next life, then how will we feel pain? It seems like a huge contradiction, because if we don't have sensory organs...

Then why should I be scared of Hell's flames?

Can I even see Hell's flames with "eyes"? Will I have eyes?

Discuss how you think "spirits" exist.


Who says we don't get another body when we die.

Besides, isn't the whole hell thing supposed to be a metaphor or something.
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So, I was wondering... if we do not have bodies in the next life, then how will we feel pain? It seems like a huge contradiction, because if we don't have sensory organs...

Then why should I be scared of Hell's flames?

Can I even see Hell's flames with "eyes"? Will I have eyes?

Discuss how you think "spirits" exist.


It's a bodily resurrection. So after death, nothing happens. It's only after the day of judgment something does.
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Besides, isn't the whole hell thing supposed to be a metaphor or something.


People can't see God, so they say He's invisible and incorporeal. People don't like the idea of literal fire, so others soften up their beliefs to make it palatable for others to believe in, since their god looks less like a monster.
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Besides, isn't the whole hell thing supposed to be a metaphor or something.


People can't see God, so they say He's invisible and incorporeal. People don't like the idea of literal fire, so others soften up their beliefs to make it palatable for others to believe in, since their god looks less like a monster.


Oh I know, just trying to get across my contempt for metaphors.
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I would imagine Hells fire to be quite enjoyable. The spirit of humanity never shines as bright as in the presence of such intense Love. Fire as an amicable symbol best portrays the Hell that modern Christianity wants to send some of its constituents to. Fortunately, Death is an experience, what lies beyond it is everyone mystery and I can guarantee you now:

"Anyone who says they know what happens when, during and after you die is full of less than nothing, and is unworthy of your time."


Why would they be unworthy of your time? Has the mystery of death not been revealed to some? Is this impossible?

I once heard a very interesting quote:

"If the religious people cannot even manage to tell us where we came from, then how can we believe what they tell us about where we are going?"
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So, I was wondering... if we do not have bodies in the next life, then how will we feel pain? It seems like a huge contradiction, because if we don't have sensory organs...

Then why should I be scared of Hell's flames?

Can I even see Hell's flames with "eyes"? Will I have eyes?

Discuss how you think "spirits" exist.


It's a bodily resurrection. So after death, nothing happens. It's only after the day of judgment something does.


So you believe that Hell consists of 2 stages (and heaven for the same reasons).

There is an area where we can lounge about as spirits, who have no bodies and no sensory organs... And then once we are condemned as "evil spirits", we are given a body, just so it can feel pain?
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AvenirLegacy
I would imagine Hells fire to be quite enjoyable. The spirit of humanity never shines as bright as in the presence of such intense Love. Fire as an amicable symbol best portrays the Hell that modern Christianity wants to send some of its constituents to. Fortunately, Death is an experience, what lies beyond it is everyone mystery and I can guarantee you now:

"Anyone who says they know what happens when, during and after you die is full of less than nothing, and is unworthy of your time."


Why would they be unworthy of your time? Has the mystery of death not been revealed to some? Is this impossible?

I once heard a very interesting quote:

"If the religious people cannot even manage to tell us where we came from, then how can we believe what they tell us about where we are going?"


It may be revealed, but the experience, I imagine, would be unique, regardless of what other people say. Kinda subjective.
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So you believe that Hell consists of 2 stages (and heaven for the same reasons).

There is an area where we can lounge about as spirits, who have no bodies and no sensory organs... And then once we are condemned as "evil spirits", we are given a body, just so it can feel pain?


I believe that once you're dead, your dead. The Christian concept is that after death you wait for judgment day. Everyone will be resurrected physically, judged, and those who do not have their name in the book of life will be cast into Gehenna.
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I would imagine Hells fire to be quite enjoyable. The spirit of humanity never shines as bright as in the presence of such intense Love. Fire as an amicable symbol best portrays the Hell that modern Christianity wants to send some of its constituents to. Fortunately, Death is an experience, what lies beyond it is everyone mystery and I can guarantee you now:

"Anyone who says they know what happens when, during and after you die is full of less than nothing, and is unworthy of your time."


Why would they be unworthy of your time? Has the mystery of death not been revealed to some? Is this impossible?

I once heard a very interesting quote:

"If the religious people cannot even manage to tell us where we came from, then how can we believe what they tell us about where we are going?"


It may be revealed, but the experience, I imagine, would be unique, regardless of what other people say. Kinda subjective.


Okay, I see. So no matter what we do, we cannot really find out what is going to happen. We may get the general idea, but the experience itself will be unlike anything we could have imagined, and thus its unworthy of our time to spend dwelling one the impossibilities of it... Am I close to what you are talking about maybe?
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So you believe that Hell consists of 2 stages (and heaven for the same reasons).

There is an area where we can lounge about as spirits, who have no bodies and no sensory organs... And then once we are condemned as "evil spirits", we are given a body, just so it can feel pain?


I believe that once you're dead, your dead. The Christian concept is that after death you wait for judgment day. Everyone will be resurrected physically, judged, and those who do not have their name in the book of life will be cast into Gehenna.


That is from the Book of Revelations... the Book of Life, is it not?

Can we actually trust that book? I've heard various people and sources claim that that book is full of prophetic garbage.
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I would imagine Hells fire to be quite enjoyable. The spirit of humanity never shines as bright as in the presence of such intense Love. Fire as an amicable symbol best portrays the Hell that modern Christianity wants to send some of its constituents to. Fortunately, Death is an experience, what lies beyond it is everyone mystery and I can guarantee you now:

"Anyone who says they know what happens when, during and after you die is full of less than nothing, and is unworthy of your time."


Why would they be unworthy of your time? Has the mystery of death not been revealed to some? Is this impossible?

I once heard a very interesting quote:

"If the religious people cannot even manage to tell us where we came from, then how can we believe what they tell us about where we are going?"


It may be revealed, but the experience, I imagine, would be unique, regardless of what other people say. Kinda subjective.


Okay, I see. So no matter what we do, we cannot really find out what is going to happen. We may get the general idea, but the experience itself will be unlike anything we could have imagined, and thus its unworthy of our time to spend dwelling one the impossibilities of it... Am I close to what you are talking about maybe?


We could dwell on all possibilities all day; we can treat Death as an adventure, No one knows, but we can imagine. Always nice to make a nice adventure
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So you believe that Hell consists of 2 stages (and heaven for the same reasons).

There is an area where we can lounge about as spirits, who have no bodies and no sensory organs... And then once we are condemned as "evil spirits", we are given a body, just so it can feel pain?


I believe that once you're dead, your dead. The Christian concept is that after death you wait for judgment day. Everyone will be resurrected physically, judged, and those who do not have their name in the book of life will be cast into Gehenna.


That is from the Book of Revelations... the Book of Life, is it not?

Can we actually trust that book? I've heard various people and sources claim that that book is full of prophetic garbage.


Gospel of Matthew also paints this kind of picture. Anyone who has a problem with the Book of Revelation can keep on bitching. Not my problem.
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AvenirLegacy
I would imagine Hells fire to be quite enjoyable. The spirit of humanity never shines as bright as in the presence of such intense Love. Fire as an amicable symbol best portrays the Hell that modern Christianity wants to send some of its constituents to. Fortunately, Death is an experience, what lies beyond it is everyone mystery and I can guarantee you now:

"Anyone who says they know what happens when, during and after you die is full of less than nothing, and is unworthy of your time."
I know what happens when during and after you die.

When you die: Your body loses biological sustainability.
During your death: your major organs shut down one by one, your blood flow stops, and your stimulus-response does too. Then, your cells quickly lose metabolism.
After you die: Your body decomposes, sometimes people will want to inspect it (autopsies for criminal/investigatory deaths, etc) and the other people on this planet generally will try to move you to a location where you will continue to decompose out of view (since it's not something people like to see.)

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