A few things I've noticed as a Catholic-turned-atheist

[Ariel Yardena Davidson]

The disciple_Leon Camero

Cecilia Davidson

The disciple_Leon Camero

I'll never understand why people thinks that the apocrypha is a part of Christianity... It's not. And because of it, they don't follow what God gave out, but their own...

Might I suggest actually seeing what the topic is about? Because what you said was completely irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant.

but it is, as what you offered makes NO sense.

[The disciple_Leon Camero]

Cecilia Davidson

The disciple_Leon Camero

Cecilia Davidson

The disciple_Leon Camero

I'll never understand why people thinks that the apocrypha is a part of Christianity... It's not. And because of it, they don't follow what God gave out, but their own...

Might I suggest actually seeing what the topic is about? Because what you said was completely irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant.

but it is, as what you offered makes NO sense.

You gave out catholicism, the apocrypha is from that sect.

[Ariel Yardena Davidson]

The disciple_Leon Camero

Cecilia Davidson

The disciple_Leon Camero

Cecilia Davidson

The disciple_Leon Camero

I'll never understand why people thinks that the apocrypha is a part of Christianity... It's not. And because of it, they don't follow what God gave out, but their own...

Might I suggest actually seeing what the topic is about? Because what you said was completely irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant.

but it is, as what you offered makes NO sense.

You gave out catholicism, the apocrypha is from that sect.

and yet that has no relevance. Please leave or stick to the actual discussion.

[The disciple_Leon Camero]

Cecilia Davidson

The disciple_Leon Camero

Cecilia Davidson

The disciple_Leon Camero

Cecilia Davidson

The disciple_Leon Camero

I'll never understand why people thinks that the apocrypha is a part of Christianity... It's not. And because of it, they don't follow what God gave out, but their own...

Might I suggest actually seeing what the topic is about? Because what you said was completely irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant.

but it is, as what you offered makes NO sense.

You gave out catholicism, the apocrypha is from that sect.

and yet that has no relevance. Please leave or stick to the actual discussion.

I'll leave.

[Arcoon Effox]

Cecilia Davidson

The disciple_Leon Camero

I'll never understand why people thinks that the apocrypha is a part of Christianity... It's not. And because of it, they don't follow what God gave out, but their own...

Might I suggest actually seeing what the topic is about? Because what you said was completely irrelevant.

Just ignore him. Leon and his various sockpuppets invoke a No True Scotsman fallacy any time anybody mentions Catholocism, in between streams of grammatically incoherent nonsense and baseless assurances that he's right and you're wrong.

[Ariel Yardena Davidson]

Arcoon Effox

Cecilia Davidson

The disciple_Leon Camero

I'll never understand why people thinks that the apocrypha is a part of Christianity... It's not. And because of it, they don't follow what God gave out, but their own...

Might I suggest actually seeing what the topic is about? Because what you said was completely irrelevant.

Just ignore him. Leon and his various sockpuppets invoke a No True Scotsman fallacy any time anybody mentions Catholocism, in between streams of grammatically incoherent nonsense and baseless assurances that he's right and you're wrong.

I saw him as much. Took extra precautions.

It's still interesting that some people refuse to allow a separation to happen, though.

[icicle weapon]

i'm pretty sure the bible was completely written by women

[Ariel Yardena Davidson]

icicle weapon

i'm pretty sure the bible was completely written by women

You sure? Because a lot of the words written were very anti-woman (or at the least the authors' views included the idea of women being on a lower level than men)

[icicle weapon]

Cecilia Davidson

icicle weapon

i'm pretty sure the bible was completely written by women

You sure? Because a lot of the words written were very anti-woman (or at the least the authors' views included the idea of women being on a lower level than men)

if you read it closely, it's telling men how to be ideal men.
ie: the "almighty father", the one that all men should strive to be.
it's written in a time and place where men treat women like s**t, and beat their kids. the Bible is the idea of an almighty all loving father(god) who never gives up on his children, and is forgiving.
only a woman would write that.

[Ariel Yardena Davidson]

icicle weapon

Cecilia Davidson

icicle weapon

i'm pretty sure the bible was completely written by women

You sure? Because a lot of the words written were very anti-woman (or at the least the authors' views included the idea of women being on a lower level than men)

if you read it closely, it's telling men how to be ideal men.
ie: the "almighty father", the one that all men should strive to be.
it's written in a time and place where men treat women like s**t, and beat their kids. the Bible is the idea of an almighty all loving father(god) who never gives up on his children, and is forgiving.
only a woman would write that.

... Again, are you sure?
Because the original text evolved from God being wrathful and conquering and a bit of a murderer.
So an ideal man sells his daughter into marriage, beats or kills his wife if it turns out she's not a virgin ...

Which itself is a rather patriarchal understanding of women's genitals because a hymen doesn't really need to BREAK.

[icicle weapon]

Cecilia Davidson

icicle weapon

Cecilia Davidson

icicle weapon

i'm pretty sure the bible was completely written by women

You sure? Because a lot of the words written were very anti-woman (or at the least the authors' views included the idea of women being on a lower level than men)

if you read it closely, it's telling men how to be ideal men.
ie: the "almighty father", the one that all men should strive to be.
it's written in a time and place where men treat women like s**t, and beat their kids. the Bible is the idea of an almighty all loving father(god) who never gives up on his children, and is forgiving.
only a woman would write that.

... Again, are you sure?
Because the original text evolved from God being wrathful and conquering and a bit of a murderer.
So an ideal man sells his daughter into marriage, beats or kills his wife if it turns out she's not a virgin ...

Which itself is a rather patriarchal understanding of women's genitals because a hymen doesn't really need to BREAK.

I'm talking the New Testament.
Old Testament is more just there for background story, but Christianity is New Testament.

also, more importantly, douche bag religious leaders have gone changed text to suit their prejudice

[Ariel Yardena Davidson]

icicle weapon

Cecilia Davidson

icicle weapon

Cecilia Davidson

icicle weapon

i'm pretty sure the bible was completely written by women

You sure? Because a lot of the words written were very anti-woman (or at the least the authors' views included the idea of women being on a lower level than men)

if you read it closely, it's telling men how to be ideal men.
ie: the "almighty father", the one that all men should strive to be.
it's written in a time and place where men treat women like s**t, and beat their kids. the Bible is the idea of an almighty all loving father(god) who never gives up on his children, and is forgiving.
only a woman would write that.

... Again, are you sure?
Because the original text evolved from God being wrathful and conquering and a bit of a murderer.
So an ideal man sells his daughter into marriage, beats or kills his wife if it turns out she's not a virgin ...

Which itself is a rather patriarchal understanding of women's genitals because a hymen doesn't really need to BREAK.

I'm talking the New Testament.
Old Testament is more just there for background story, but Christianity is New Testament.

also, more importantly, douche bag religious leaders have gone changed text to suit their prejudice

I'm talking the whole bible because it's still used to justify EVERYTHING.

In regards to another topic, I'm shocked that you think that multiple faulty translations can ruin the beauty and intent and purpose of a "poem" in the bible. Considering your reasoning, however, I'm not going to give you the time to bullshit in my thread.

[mirein meyun]

if what you're saying is that Religious music and art can still be enjoyable even if you don't believe in the god, then I agree with you.

I'm not atheist though, I'm Catholic. And while I don't go into Mosques, or Synagogues, or Gurdwaras and such, most of my friends are not Catholic.

[Strawberry EggRoll]

Nerdologist

Cecilia Davidson

I can't help but wonder, though - can the things that are traditionally religious be separated entirely from their being utilized by various religions?
(I'm afraid I was not clear) OUTSIDE OF COMMERCIALIZATION, can we accomplish a separation of things deemed religious from their religion and yet allow them to keep their meaning and symbolism? How would we be able to accomplish such without ourselves creating a religion?

To separate them from their religion, we must personalize the meaning of these things and reject their traditional interpretations and purposes. In so doing we might create a new religion (it really depends on how you define religion), but as long as this religion represents our values and beliefs better than the original religion, it's worth establishing. How would you define religion? And what is it about creating a religion that worries you?

This is probably completely off topic, and if it is, I apologize. But what the above individual stated reminds me of my own first initial experience of becoming an atheist (or coming to the realization that I reject the notion of a Creator) and how I believe I interpreted what the original forum starter was asking...

Perfect ax ample for me; Christmas.

Christmas means nothing to me. Never did, never will. Historically it makes no sense other than Christianity hijacking it to convert pagans, and the GROSS commercialization of it nowadays. My father was an agnostic and justified it because Christmas has 'tradition'. So did sacrificing animals... I don't see most of the real world religions doing that today? (Or at least we know of) so that's a stupid excuse. My mother was a DEVOUT Jehovah's Witness yet lived a serious double life and became a Swinger, over sexualized object at night and sometimes on the weekend. Her reason for Christmas was nonexistent. JWs' don't believe in that crap for their own (legit) reasons.

That all being said, I've resolved to go back to pagan roots and celebrate winter solstice. It makes sense, I still get to buy the cute stuff at Pier One with a purpose and educate uneducated people along the way. Am I against this "Merry Christmas" stuff that the right thinks is under attack?

Well, you can't really attack something that doesn't have any validity of its own, now can you?

Happy holidays!

[Fermionic]

The Yoyo, you may find interesting, was separated from the Jewish tradition by commercialisation, but has recently returned to it's more traditional setting.