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A few thoughts:

The idea of metal-specific music theory seems silly because all music theory is basically the same. What differs is method of composition, types of modes, scales, harmonies and melodies used -- and these differences give each musical genre its unique sound and meaning.

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If you look at the greatest metal albums, what you'll notice is that often, they are composed of eight to twelve songs that all sound relatively the same, but on repeated listens, each one becomes unique and stands out...Like a collection of baroque pieces or Gregorian chants, it all sounds alike on the outside, but each individual piece varies greatly, at least to a trained ear.

Metal, more so than other forms of popular music, is structural music with narrative song forms, meaning that the music is composed of a series of repeated phrases (riffs) that follow each other and interact with each other...It's more complex not only musically, but artistically as well, due to the fact that some form of ideation or ideology often precedes the composition of the actual songs.

Zach Zimmerman, L.A. Metal


This is a good place to start: we can't look at metal in terms of rock music, or a fixed song structure with a single harmony and varied modes, but as a song structure defined by its phrases and from that, selecting modes and harmonizing them.

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The approach to riffing in old school metal is designed to make small melodies or phrases complement each other, and have that define structure; in metalcore, like in rock or punk, riffs fit into a pop song structure, even with some modifications.

Brett Stevens, Examiner


That leads us to a study of melody and phrase, which is where metal is similar to free jazz, in that how phrases fit together determines "meaning" in a song, in contrast to other genres where coming back to a tone signifies a meaning in terms of harmony.

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Nowadays, when people are taught classical theory, they are taught about harmonic progressions. It's a fairly dry and academic pursuit. Back in the era when classical music was actually written, all composers were schooled in renaissance style counterpoint: that is, the way in which melodies fit together. Most people's idea of a melody is an elaboration on a progression of harmonic notes, whereas in reality it is the only spontaneous part of a composition.

In my view, melody is a sequence of notes which manifests something the artist wishes to express, and this may be disguised by a harmonic progression, meaning that a melody does not have to be a 'tune'. Every great composition has an underlying melodic structure which is its 'soul'; sometimes this is immediately evident, such as in Gregorian chant, Indian classical music, or even Mozart; in other works, it can be disguised either by polyphony proper, by harmonic notes (romantic music), or through the repetition of small sequences (riffs).

For me, the study of counterpoint has been far more engaging than the study of harmony, because the melodic integrity of the music gives birth to its theory.

Metal Hall


As that quotation points out, it's a lot like classical music: structure through melody. And riffing heavy riffs!
 
 
 
 
     
 
 
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All I know is this.
The release of Black Sabbaths first album was the staryt of Satan being related to Metal.
Kiss was once known as "Knights In Satan Service" by Christians.
Cannibal Corpse is banned in 9+ countries.


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I completely agree, Although I am not school nor trained in music theory or any sort of musical training other than vocals (basically chior). I have though many years of listening to metal and all forms of music, and through many debates have come to think of metal being closer related to classical than any other form of music. When looking at metal compared to any other form of music played with real instruments, everything seems to fall short. Musical skill, understanding, technicality of musical composition and how the whole song or cd seems to flow much like a story, very similar to classical music.
I think this is a very educated thread or at least researched. I like it.
     
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I completely agree, Although I am not school nor trained in music theory or any sort of musical training other than vocals (basically chior). I have though many years of listening to metal and all forms of music, and through many debates have come to think of metal being closer related to classical than any other form of music. When looking at metal compared to any other form of music played with real instruments, everything seems to fall short. Musical skill, understanding, technicality of musical composition and how the whole song or cd seems to flow much like a story, is very similar to classical music.
I think this is a very educated thread or at least researched. I like it.


I agree with this

Just like classical music had its eras: romantic, baroque, etc.

Metal has had its eras as well, the difference is that any band can be whatever genre they wish to be, or evolve their band into something totally different in accordance to their taste, but not every classical composer now a days can say they're a romantic era composer lol
 
     
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If you look at the greatest metal albums, what you'll notice is that often, they are composed of eight to twelve songs that all sound relatively the same, but on repeated listens, each one becomes unique and stands out...Like a collection of baroque pieces or Gregorian chants, it all sounds alike on the outside, but each individual piece varies greatly, at least to a trained ear.


Describes my every listening experience.
Almost everything I listen to the first time sounds boring and pointless, just meandering along with no structure(there are some exceptions i.e songs I like after only one listen).

It's only with repeated listens, and after ive learned the ups and downs of the song that I really start to apprecieate it.

Music is 80% anticipation for me.

A good example would be Agalloch.
First time listening was so dull I could hardly stand it.
But after about 6-7 listen throughs, mind = blown.
     
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Skitch Vehemence
I completely agree, Although I am not school nor trained in music theory or any sort of musical training other than vocals (basically chior). I have though many years of listening to metal and all forms of music, and through many debates have come to think of metal being closer related to classical than any other form of music. When looking at metal compared to any other form of music played with real instruments, everything seems to fall short. Musical skill, understanding, technicality of musical composition and how the whole song or cd seems to flow much like a story, is very similar to classical music.
I think this is a very educated thread or at least researched. I like it.


I agree with this

Just like classical music had its eras: romantic, baroque, etc.

Metal has had its eras as well, the difference is that any band can be whatever genre they wish to be, or evolve their band into something totally different in accordance to their taste, but not every classical composer now a days can say they're a romantic era composer lol

True that. Also bands have the ability to evolve and tell whatever story they want. We see this alot with Prog Metal and some of Power metal (the very few good power metal bands that dont make me want to projectile vomit). I like bands that are trying to push the envelope or that have an amazing atmosphere. Like black metal, they have amazing atmosphere.
     

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LOL METAL IS SO KOOL IT'S LIKE CLASICLE MUSIEC AND IZ HARD TO PLAY.

No. I don't really have the time or energy to 'counter' that post, but it's really mostly baseless. Composed exclusively of trigger words 'structure' 'narrative' 'technicality' and no actual music theory. Metal is not all the closely related to classical music, except that Bach liked to wank, and so does Dream Theater. St. Vitus has nothing to do with Stravinski. Just because you like to feel cultured in saying that metal music is super hard to compose just like classical (It's not), doesn't mean that there are actually any similarities. All genres evolve structure through strings of related bars and lines. That's what a song is! The only exception to that may be improvisational music like jazz, but even then, you blatantly evolve a theme.


Tl;dr: Metal is no more like classical than any other genre. It's not cool or special, and neither are you.
 
     
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LOL METAL IS SO KOOL IT'S LIKE CLASICLE MUSIEC AND IZ HARD TO PLAY.

No. I don't really have the time or energy to 'counter' that post, but it's really mostly baseless. Composed exclusively of trigger words 'structure' 'narrative' 'technicality' and no actual music theory. Metal is not all the closely related to classical music, except that Bach liked to wank, and so does Dream Theater. St. Vitus has nothing to do with Stravinski. Just because you like to feel cultured in saying that metal music is super hard to compose just like classical (It's not), doesn't mean that there are actually any similarities. All genres evolve structure through strings of related bars and lines. That's what a song is! The only exception to that may be improvisational music like jazz, but even then, you blatantly evolve a theme.


Tl;dr: Metal is no more like classical than any other genre. It's not cool or special, and neither are you.
This was the post I was going to make, minus the fact that there was nothing theoretical about those posts. lol

But now that the Immortal Wumpy did it, I dun't has to... lol
     
The Immortal Cuddlewumpus
LOL METAL IS SO KOOL IT'S LIKE CLASICLE MUSIEC AND IZ HARD TO PLAY.

No. I don't really have the time or energy to 'counter' that post, but it's really mostly baseless. Composed exclusively of trigger words 'structure' 'narrative' 'technicality' and no actual music theory. Metal is not all the closely related to classical music, except that Bach liked to wank, and so does Dream Theater. St. Vitus has nothing to do with Stravinski. Just because you like to feel cultured in saying that metal music is super hard to compose just like classical (It's not), doesn't mean that there are actually any similarities. All genres evolve structure through strings of related bars and lines. That's what a song is! The only exception to that may be improvisational music like jazz, but even then, you blatantly evolve a theme.


Tl;dr: Metal is no more like classical than any other genre. It's not cool or special, and neither are you.


You compose an actual elegy in metal then.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyjMLvsKw3k
Which they did, with a black metal touch. A difficult feat in itself to do in the traditional sense, but when done with a black metal approach its just WOW.
 
     
 
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The Immortal Cuddlewumpus
LOL METAL IS SO KOOL IT'S LIKE CLASICLE MUSIEC AND IZ HARD TO PLAY.

No. I don't really have the time or energy to 'counter' that post, but it's really mostly baseless. Composed exclusively of trigger words 'structure' 'narrative' 'technicality' and no actual music theory. Metal is not all the closely related to classical music, except that Bach liked to wank, and so does Dream Theater. St. Vitus has nothing to do with Stravinski. Just because you like to feel cultured in saying that metal music is super hard to compose just like classical (It's not), doesn't mean that there are actually any similarities. All genres evolve structure through strings of related bars and lines. That's what a song is! The only exception to that may be improvisational music like jazz, but even then, you blatantly evolve a theme.


Tl;dr: Metal is no more like classical than any other genre. It's not cool or special, and neither are you.


You compose an actual elegy in metal then.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyjMLvsKw3k
Which they did, with a black metal touch. A difficult feat in itself to do in the traditional sense, but when done with a black metal approach its just WOW.


Great ******** song.
     
I recently discovered this. Which is strange because I live in the town he was actually born. Uhm. But Cuddlewumpus made a very good point. Just stop being elitists.
 
     
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When people say that metal and classical are alike, I see it as the regimented structure that people are drawn to. The melodic lines that seem to appear above a ton of other chaotic lines. Listen and compare Toccata and Fugue in D Minor by Bach and, I dunno, Flight of Icaros by Emperor (since this seems to be the song being thrown around.) You'll hear the similarities, I'm sure you will.

Not only that, but Metal and Classical both have a very large sub - genre listing. When it comes to Classical, it's divided up mostly by time period. Metal, not so much. There's so many different ones that you can't really list them all right off the top of your head, because you'll miss a lot.

I like both. I like Mozart to Metallica, Bach to Satyricon. So, it's all in having to listen well and carefully.
     
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When people say that metal and classical are alike, I see it as the regimented structure that people are drawn to. The melodic lines that seem to appear above a ton of other chaotic lines. Listen and compare Toccata and Fugue in D Minor by Bach and, I dunno, Flight of Icaros by Emperor (since this seems to be the song being thrown around.) You'll hear the similarities, I'm sure you will.

Not only that, but Metal and Classical both have a very large sub - genre listing. When it comes to Classical, it's divided up mostly by time period. Metal, not so much. There's so many different ones that you can't really list them all right off the top of your head, because you'll miss a lot.

I like both. I like Mozart to Metallica, Bach to Satyricon. So, it's all in having to listen well and carefully.


Bragging about a diverse musical taste isn't cool in the slightest. In fact, it's so obnoxiously stupid that I'm surprised it's not a reportable offense
 
     
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