Doctors Are Underpaid

Do you think doctors are underpaid?

Yes	22.4%	[ 11 ]
No	77.6%	[ 38 ]
Total Votes:			[ 49 ]

[HisKittyBoton]

Depending on what kind of doctor they are I'd suppose would control their pay.
I don't think they are too underly paid.

[Jesse Troy]

Onigetoe

Where I am. Doctors are not underpaid, at all. But they are under fire because they have started talking about the insane wait times, and people dying while waiting for treatment and the government has told them to shut up or they will fire these doctors.

There is a doctor shortage which leads to longer wait times.
Firing doctors and creating more shortage is completely stupid.
And if they are primary care doctors then they probably are underpaid.

[Anakinia]

Jesse Troy

Which is why I made the first post. You aren't complaining about the salary as a full doctor, you are complaining about the salary up untill that point?

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Poshul

The main doctor in my town has an elevator in his house. No they are not underpaid.

That doctor =/= all doctors.

Hey may have had rich parents that paid for his education so he never had half a million in debt to pay off.
He may be in one of the higher paying specialties.
He may have gotten a lot of his wealth from something else.

[Jesse Troy]

BinaNeko

Jesse Troy

Which is why I made the first post. You aren't complaining about the salary as a full doctor, you are complaining about the salary up untill that point?

I'm complaining about both.



A doctors net per hour wage can be only a few dollars more than that of a high school teacher.
A resident doctor does makes about minimum wage though. A resident doctor is a licensed doctor after the internship.




The median gross income among internal medicine physicians is $205,441.7 The median gross income among high school teachers, including the value of benefits but excluding their pension, is about $50,000 per year.

Accounting for time spent training, student loan debt, years worked, hours worked per year and disproportionate income taxes – the net adjusted hourly wage of an internist is $34.46 per hour, while that of a high school teacher is $30.47 per hour.

Though the gross income of an internal medicine physician is 4 times that of a high school teacher, the adjusted net hourly wage of an internal medicine physician is only 1.13 times that of a high school teacher.

Most people would argue that high school teachers are not paid enough, yet for some reason most people would also argue that physicians are paid too much.


http://benbrownmd.wordpress.com/2010/06/20/informedconsent/

[Jesse Troy]

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Jesse Troy

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Doctor's aren't underpaid in the US by any means. Granted the debt is massive here, but so is the salary. Best to go to med school elsewhere and then come back and do the residency. Plus it doesn't take so ******** long in other countries. It's ridiculous over here.

What type of surgeon are you interested in becoming?

I don't think the salary for for pediatricians is massive. They may not even bring home 6 figures.

The only non US med schools I've heard of are Caribbean and I definitely wont be going to those. Even if the school is legit, I wouldn't trust the education. Yeah I will be studying forever but I will be learning a lot and I think it will make me a better doctor.


Right now I am most interested in plastic.

Depends on how you use it. A doctor working in a hospital probably won't make as much as a doctor in a private clinic. And if you set up your own practice, technically the sky's the limit so far as salary goes.

Ireland? The UK? They do six-year courses and don't require pre-med.
+Most of the Irish medical schools are closely tied with the US through the Atlantic Bridge program & that makes it a whole lot easier to score a residency place even with a foreign education. I was accepted to the medical program over at University College Dublin (which is the largest medical school in the Republic) for a six-year med qualification, but they also do four year ones for the US/Canada students who've already done premed.

Any sort of specialty in it?

I think it would work out about the same time wise since I have a couple of years of undergrad left. I can do 4 years of US med or 4 years of Ireland/UK med. I don't see how it differs.

[zweet_dreamz]

I don't think that doctors are underpaid.
I think it's the whole insurance part that takes away a chunk of their salary that's the problem, and that is something the regular patient can't help.
Though I'm surprised that it takes so long to become a doctor where you're at.
I just looked up the university in my country, and it takes about 6-8 years to become a doctor+specialist.
I could be wrong, but that what is written on the brochure of the school.

[Jesse Troy]

Mewsey

If anything, it's good that doctors are underpaid at first. I hate it when people say they want to become a doctor just for the money, and I'll laugh in their face when they find out the truth.

Some doctors are underpaid, probably, but the ones that aren't (The stereotypical have-fancy-houses-and-cars) are the ones that where ambitious and worked hard enough to get to the top, and deserve their money. A rich man that spends all his life earning his money is happier than one that has it all handed to him.

I'd like to become a doctor or have some career in the medical field someday, but I'm only 14 so I can't exactly brag now, because I may change my decision later in life.

The people who think being a doctor is a get rich quick scheme will be weeded out and never actually become a doctor.

Ambition is important but pay is largely based on specialty. If you really want to work in pediatrics, family medicine, or internal medicine you will only be making ~150k. If that's where you really want to be then no matter how ambitious you are you aren't going to making much.

[Jesse Troy]

Sexual Innuendo

Definitely not. But I would never say they were overpaid either. I think they are paid just fine. Obviously, you're going to be ******** for a while while you're in the process of becoming a doctor, but once you're making your 250k a year, paying off student loans and debts won't be so difficult. Obviously, it's going to take a while, but the same can be said for any other profession.

What other profession has 20 years of training?
What other profession leaves you with hundreds of thousands in debt?
It would be nice if 250k was the minimum income for a doctor. Their net income may actually be less than 100k.

[Jesse Troy]

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Last night I made a topic about the lifestyle of a doctor and a couple minutes ago I made one about the presidential election. Both were moved to the chatter box in seconds.

Our forum does not have an admin to watch over the moderators like the other ones do.

Weird.
Why?

I have no idea, but it explains a lot. I noticed this after trying to contact an admin in the Chatterbox about our issue. I actually just sent a huge complaint to this email about our mods: [e-mail], I suggest you do the same. No one is in charge of them right now so we really have nothing else we can do than to contact the big guys. emotion_brofist emotion_donotwant

Did they respond to the email?

I'll send one later.

Some one who likes to write should come up with a temple everyone can use to flood them with emails.

I only just sent it so I might have to wait a bit for them to look into it some more. It was also a big email with lots of links and sources attached. xD

I like to write, but more in a creative manner than a formal one. I will do my best to get more people involved in this though.

Let me know how it goes.

[Anakinia]

Jesse Troy

I am not even going to bother doing the math on this one. If you made more as a whatever you'll be once your done with school, the studentloan and the hours spent etc wouldn't matter. So, if the salary was better at the beginning you would have never had the problem you are talking about now.

When you do all your math you are missing my point. You keep mentioning the years in training, the time spent etc. If you made more from the beginning, this wouldn't be a problem.

If doctors made more money, that would be fine, they deserve it. But they dont need it.

[Jesse Troy]

Beautiful Blue Kangaroo

Saying doctors should get paid more because they "save lives" is stupid. I would bet dollar bills that your average Paramedic saves more lives than any doctor ever will. Should they get paid millions for this?

Paramedics keep you alive so you can be saved by a doctor. They don't practice real medicine, they just keep you stable.

While they play a very important role, being a paramedic, does not require anywhere near the same level of education and training that it take to be a doctor. Nor could they replace doctors.

EMT/Paramedic - 1-2 years at community college. Practically free or a few thousand dollars.
Surgeon- 4 years bachelors, 4 years med, 6-8 year residency. Hundreds of thousands dollars.

A doctor may never live like a millionaire.

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Jesse Troy

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Jesse Troy

Weird.
Why?

I have no idea, but it explains a lot. I noticed this after trying to contact an admin in the Chatterbox about our issue. I actually just sent a huge complaint to this email about our mods: [e-mail], I suggest you do the same. No one is in charge of them right now so we really have nothing else we can do than to contact the big guys. emotion_brofist emotion_donotwant

Did they respond to the email?

I'll send one later.

Some one who likes to write should come up with a temple everyone can use to flood them with emails.

I only just sent it so I might have to wait a bit for them to look into it some more. It was also a big email with lots of links and sources attached. xD

I like to write, but more in a creative manner than a formal one. I will do my best to get more people involved in this though.

Let me know how it goes.

Sure thing.

[Onigetoe]

Jesse Troy

Onigetoe

Where I am. Doctors are not underpaid, at all. But they are under fire because they have started talking about the insane wait times, and people dying while waiting for treatment and the government has told them to shut up or they will fire these doctors.

There is a doctor shortage which leads to longer wait times.
Firing doctors and creating more shortage is completely stupid.
And if they are primary care doctors then they probably are underpaid.

We don't have a shortage in doctors and we have insane wait times because they are standing around talking and not looking after people who needed to be looked after. Not only that but the government has now cut funding for shorter wait times. (ER doctors)

As for primary care, my doctor encouraged me to become a nurse or doctor because they have the same pay as a MLA.

[Jesse Troy]

zweet_dreamz

I don't think that doctors are underpaid.
I think it's the whole insurance part that takes away a chunk of their salary that's the problem, and that is something the regular patient can't help.
Though I'm surprised that it takes so long to become a doctor where you're at.
I just looked up the university in my country, and it takes about 6-8 years to become a doctor+specialist.
I could be wrong, but that what is written on the brochure of the school.

And debt eats at salary.

You don't need to be pre med and have a residency?

Undergrad: 4
Med: 4
Residency/Fellowship: 6-8

Total: 14-16 years.

I want to be a surgeon so my residency is longer.
I would assume 6-8 years is just the pre med/med school.