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Leave. Just leave. Why are you on gaia posting a thread about whether it is wrong or not? Just get the ******** out. GO NOW. Get your s**t. Find somewhere else to sleep. Even if itis a hotel room.


This is the best thing that I could tell you.
Please, get out of this situation ASAP.
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Um, why'd you marry this guy again? rolleyes
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I had told him that night before bed that I needed him to massage my shoulders but that no sex because I was still angry at him.
I wrote the first post in a hurry to help gather my thoughts. I was still in a state of shock. It is now 9:10, I have been awake since 12:40 without sleep.
You can rest assured that because I told them without shame that I punch him in the nuts with great relish when he, after one hour of asking/cajoling/insulting him, refused to sleep downstairs because his is my husband.
It was rape, and I was in too much shock that he was still doing this after I asked him not to the last week of February.

You have no idea how much of an idiot I feel, trying to convince myself that I could teach him the errors of his ways. I feel he is much more dangerous than people are giving him credit for.
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Having sex while you're sleeping is only rape if he's aware that he doesn't have your consent. Telling him that it's disrespectful isn't the same thing.
it is rape if one is not able to give or deny consent. If one is asleep, one cannot choose to give or with hold consent. That makes it rape.


Laws vary from country to country, of course, but for the most part consent is implicit in a marriage unless it's revoked. For example, it's not illegal to have sex with a drunk spouse, whereas it is definitely illegal to have sex with a drunk stranger.

There can be a difference between "legal" and "right" or "ethical." It used to be legal to own people, or to beat your kids. I don't think we'd call either thing right. Same thing here. If you are doing something to someone's body that they have not agreed to, you're doing something wrong. A married person is still a person, and he or she still has the right to bodily autonomy; signing a marriage license does not turn someone into property and it is not a perpetual free pass for everything. Quite a few couples talk about sleep sex and agree it's okay, but the important part there is the talking and the explicit consent, not the part where they're married or sleeping in the same bed or have been together for years.


Okay, but the evolving social norm is to call sex "rape" when it meets the legal standard, without asking tough ethical questions. When a drunk girl is raped, you don't say "Oh but he couldn't tell you were that drunk" or "You were all over him" or "It sounded like you were having fun." The law is that she couldn't consent, so if she says she was raped she was raped. By the same token, having sex under circumstances where the other partner has expressed discomfort is slimy, but it's not rape unless there's no legal consent.
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Sex with you while you sleep = rape = illegal.

Him illegal in America = him getting his a** kicked out.

You taking it to court = showing him you are not helpless = good.

Me telling you this = me asking you to consider kicking his sorry as to the courthouse.

BTW, is he religious? If so, which religion? I don't mean to be racist, but there are some people brought up to believe man is better than woman and should dominate completely, and they somehow think the religious text pertaining to their religion supports this.

There was one case where a father commanded his son to slam his daughters' car off the road, killing the daughters, because they had secret boyfriends, went to try and get help for the family turmoil, got bad grades, and eloped with someone.
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Am I wrong in my decision to legally separate from him?

...no. I'd say that leaving a guy who is controlling, abusive, and rapes you is the healthy thing to do.

It's not your responsibility that he can't be bothered to go through the proper steps to gain citizenship, so his immigrant status is on him and not you. Separate and press charges; he obviously only sees you as property anyway.
Thank you.

I cannot press charges because I was too demure. I will try to be more forceful when the protection order hearing come around, 05/03/12.
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Things that I know, but could never motivate myself to comprehend. sad Even my parents liked him.
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You need to get away from him.
He obviously has some kind of issues.
He is paranoid, he threatens you, and he rationalizes that he's doing nothing wrong.
Not to mention the damage to property and slander.
You're not just right to want to leave him.
You need to get him out of your life before this escalates any further, and it will, it always does.
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He is a pentacostal christian? I think. I went to his church once and they didn't talk about doing good for themselves and others but only about the glory of the Lord.

I am not specifically religious, but I try to be as respectful as possible.
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Sex with you while you sleep = rape = illegal.

Him illegal in America = him getting his a** kicked out.

You taking it to court = showing him you are not helpless = good.

Me telling you this = me asking you to consider kicking his sorry as to the courthouse.

BTW, is he religious? If so, which religion? I don't mean to be racist, but there are some people brought up to believe man is better than woman and should dominate completely, and they somehow think the religious text pertaining to their religion supports this.

There was one case where a father commanded his son to slam his daughters' car off the road, killing the daughters, because they had secret boyfriends, went to try and get help for the family turmoil, got bad grades, and eloped with someone.
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He is a pentacostal christian? I think. I went to his church once and they didn't talk about doing good for themselves and others but only about the glory of the Lord.

I am not specifically religious, but I try to be as respectful as possible.
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Sex with you while you sleep = rape = illegal.

Him illegal in America = him getting his a** kicked out.

You taking it to court = showing him you are not helpless = good.

Me telling you this = me asking you to consider kicking his sorry as to the courthouse.

BTW, is he religious? If so, which religion? I don't mean to be racist, but there are some people brought up to believe man is better than woman and should dominate completely, and they somehow think the religious text pertaining to their religion supports this.

There was one case where a father commanded his son to slam his daughters' car off the road, killing the daughters, because they had secret boyfriends, went to try and get help for the family turmoil, got bad grades, and eloped with someone.
Ah, then the religious bit doesn't apply (as far as I'm concerned).

I still urge you to take him to court and get a divorce and a restraining order. While you can.
Before, and I'm not joking, he starts locking you in the house under the pretense of "making sure you don't cheat on him".
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Things that I know, but could never motivate myself to comprehend. sad Even my parents liked him.
The Forsaken Hollow
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You need to get away from him.
He obviously has some kind of issues.
He is paranoid, he threatens you, and he rationalizes that he's doing nothing wrong.
Not to mention the damage to property and slander.
You're not just right to want to leave him.
You need to get him out of your life before this escalates any further, and it will, it always does.
The worst of them are always the most liked by everyone but the victim. I'm sorry.
:/
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So why are you still with him. Just leave.
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So why are you still with him. Just leave.
He is a religious extremist. He has stalked me down before and convinced me twice that he had changed.

You know the saying, Shame on me.
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He sounds horrible! You are better off leaving him!

If it's to the point where he's hurting you emotionally and physically, you need to do something about it. It is not his goddamn given right to have sex with you whether you want it or not, he must be seriously screwed up in the head to think that. It just screams out wrong to me, you should definitely inform the police. If he's done it to you and you leave him, he'll just do the same thing to his next partner. He's dangerous.

It's an abusive relationship, you need to get out before he gets worse.

Thank you, this was the first time informing the police about the sexual misconducts, rape sounds so harsh #denial, but before when he stole my car, broke in and entered my room, and threatened to show up to my job, the police did nothing.

I am just too used to being told no, and not being believed.
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Am I wrong in my decision to legally separate from him?



Are you honestly asking that? No, you're obviously not wrong in your decision and you know that.
Are you expecting people to go, "yes you're wrong in your decision, you need to stay with your partner who rapes and abuses you" rolleyes
I am. Everyone says he is a great guy, I really do feel guilty and have fears that I will never find another partner.

Uhm, sorry if this is embarrassing. Thank you for posting. You helped me validate my concerns.
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You're doing the right thing to get away from your abusive partner.

Abusive people often distort facts to make their victims feel confused, afraid and uncertain. Him saying you'll not get any help if he leaves etc, is entirely in line with this.

Get out now. You're doing great in taking charge of this.
And him saying all that stuff about me not being a good respectful wife and his ability to remember all my past indiscretions... I was just not confident about myself.

Thank you.
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No, I'd be leaving him too if I were you and a protection order sounds right up your alley.

I'm not opposed to my own boyfriend waking me up like that for sex, but I can understand how others might be. The verbal abuse is uncalled for and as someone who had been the victim of an abusive relationship, I know it's incredibly heartbreaking and frightening.

I hope you're able to keep yourself safe and keep him away from you. Good luck.

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