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Kaidan
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Only bands I don't like make all the same songs. I never have anything factual to say so I sit about throwing my opinion out like it were incontrovertible. This is because I'm an uneducated dolt and I have nothing better to do with my time but feel like I know what I'm talking about when everyone around me and their dog could tell otherwise.
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the thing about dir en grey that i've noticed is that....well especially with they're early work, they tend to over-do the lyrics a bit.
I mean take 'Embryo' for example, when i first heard it i really liked it, and i still do; seeing as it was in japanese, i couldn;t really understand what they were saying. And to be honest i preferred it, because when i eventually looked up the meaning of the song i was so put off i didn't think i could listen to it again.
Why do they have to be so explicit?
I understand that some people prefer it but.....i mean really, come on now.
Well, moral of the story, ignorance is bliss...for me i guess.
I think it's every artist's right to be as explicit as they wish to be--to say otherwise would be to limit creativity. Also, in a way, it shows a kind of daring in the band. That they don't care so much about their audience's comfort, only about what they think is important or whatnot. Although other countries aren't quite so....restrictive as America.

Anyway, that was just my two cents. Let Dir en grey write what they will.
Kaidan
Violent Rain
Only bands I don't like make all the same songs. I never have anything factual to say so I sit about throwing my opinion out like it were incontrovertible. This is because I'm an uneducated dolt and I have nothing better to do with my time but feel like I know what I'm talking about when everyone around me and their dog could tell otherwise.
Fix'd.


I like you sometimes.
Violent Rain
Magikarp used splash!
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Violent Rain
Wait! Let me borrow that time machine! I must of missed when Diru became stopped doing music. What do they do now? I doubt Kyo is a plumber or a pro basketball player. I definatly can't see Die playing Baseball. And is Shinya doing his sheep herding?


TRASH


Re-hashed, re-made, re-used, re-abused crap. I've seen bands with 3 members and a drum machine that have more soul and originality. I guess there truly is something to be said for people who really want to get "there" and the people who feel they've already reached "there" and are on easy street. I prefer "indies" bands who haven't made it big, as you can actually hear the struggle and love and effort they put into each of their songs. Once you're on easy street, who cares if you put your whole into each song. You're just making money, right?

In the last few years, Dir en grey has probably made 3 or 4 songs that have actually distinguished themselves outside of the rest of the sloppy albums, and some of those songs are not even singles.
I wish I had the things we said 2 years ago. We had done in depth discussion of the progression of Dir en grey and through their albums.

Missa was their indies album. A lot of their songs sounded similar, and had the same beats and lines in maybe a different key, but you could hear a difference than what they have now. They did the music for them and for their fans. There was love in the music, they loved what they were making and knew they could make it big.
They were picked up by YOSHIKI for their Gauze singles and there was an immediate change in their music, but not for the worse. There was progression and innovation. Gauze was released and it was a fan's dream. Every song was different and had it's own life and being within the songs. I remember thinking only 2 songs had a similar feel to them, and for an 11 song album (Adam and Eve do not count as songs) that is incredible.
Macabre was another progression and experimentation in a newer and darker sounding music. They started to incorporate more punk-rock into the songs. Many fans yield this album to be "the best" as it showed the most creativity and musical talent overall.
Kisou was where the decline started. Every one of Dir en grey's singles had made it into the top 10 of countdowns. Some of the songs on Kisou started to blur and sound the same, however there were very distinguishable songs within it.
Obscure is where a lot of the sound changed. They went towards the popular flow of music (which is why Dir en grey is arguably considered a "pop" band, when considering the true meaning of the term). They leaned more towards a lot of thrash and the songs on the album, while some were distinct, many started to blur.
Saku came out, and someone said it best when they stated that Saku was nothing more than "Obscure II." The song had remarkable similarities, style, sound, refrain. Everything just felt the same. The same shock value was instilled, but after Obscure had been lost with the originality.
Withering to death... I can honestly say that the only songs I can remember off that CD are the singles - if even that. The songs blurred and I felt myself horribly bored with the CD. There was no more original feel. No more soul. No more effort. It sounded like the band had a deadline and a need for a paycheck.
The marrow of a bone gave me hope. I was weary due to Agitated screams of maggots, as the song felt like the band had drug their instruments across a table as Kyo strangled a sick cat, and the PV was there only to distract that there was even a song going on. But I found the first track of Marrow on radio.blog, and was instilled with hope. Perhaps they aren't all bad. Tho, after sitting down one day with the full CD, I found myself sorely disappointed. Two of the tracks stood out from the CD. Everything else was "Same old Same old." Even ASOM seemed to have blended in the CD, and 3/4th's of the way through the song I realized that I had heard it before.

The band is full of talented members who are only staying together because it's safe. Which seems to be the opposite of what Dir en grey tries to pose as. I honestly believe that the band would do well to go their separate ways and make music that they actually cared about. Dir en grey is a job. It's a way to make money. Push out the songs, get the pay check.
Its bad when you bring someone to a concert, who is not familiar with their music, and the first thing out of their mouths when you leave the auditorium is, "Wow, they looked bored."
I laughed, and told him that is what I've been saying for 2 years now.
I've seen the difference between bands that are having fun with their music, and people that just put an act on. The energies are much different.

rofl Not even 2 of Dirus songs sound close. Diru is one of the most virsitile and original bands right now. Sure, maybe not in dress, but they are completely different than even Phantasmagoria and La:Sadie's.


Lol okay, because half of the songs Marrow DON'T sound completely alike.

Okay.

I must have an omniear or sumthin cuz i can tell every song from another. you want to hear bands that all there songs sound same, go listen to Tool or sumthin.

I ask of this once again:
Can we please be peaceful for the sake of music?
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It's not so much that it's difficult to tell one song from another.

It's more of the fact that there's so little variety in that album. neutral
Violent Rain
I must have an omniear or sumthin cuz i can tell every song from another. you want to hear bands that all there songs sound same, go listen to Tool or sumthin.

I ask of this once again:
Can we please be peaceful for the sake of music?


Wait, so you think that discussion is not peaceful? Sorry, I've been nothing but peaceful. All I've asked is for you to give an actual explanation of why you think you do. You've danced around the question multiple times, and attempt to be elite amongst us? No. We won't go back to fan drivel. If you want nothing but that, please, spare us and go to the chatterbox. I'm actually trying to stir up conversation, and AMAZINGLY it has caused a lot of it in here. People have discussed with me. Peacefully. No attacking, stating their opinions and respecting mine as well.
Why can't you just do the same?

Seriously, you picked the worst band to try to point out that they have no versatility in their music. Please, do us all a favor, and pick two songs out that sound exactly the same from TOOL as you state that all their songs sound exactly the same. I've already given you an example of songs that sound the same in Dir en grey's music.
The irony that you choose TOOL is that I, myself, have been on a TOOL kick lately, listening to a lot of their music, and I can assure you that they do have versatility.
Maybe it's because listening to a song more than 3 minutes long has the ability to elude you, and you think you're listening to another song?
I'm half expecting you to tell me that A Perfect Circle is a rip off of TOOL, and should start creating their own music. lol
I respect TOOL a lot more than Dir en grey, because they seem to take their time in creating their music, instead of pushing out another by a deadline. But that is neither here nor there.

I attempted to do an "IKE's project" where I posted the entire discography of Dir en grey untitled. I had one person participate, who is a fan. Listening to all the songs back to back, they started stating how stuff sounded the same. It was pretty amusing, and I really wish more people had participated.

So again. I have stated my simplistic reasonings to why Dir en grey songs "blend." All I ask is why.
Your rebuttal to Kaidan's joke was "Fallacy." Yet that is all that you seem to have to offer to this thread. neutral


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I was just thinking. Arguments presented by Violent Rain, are just like how Vanilla Ice argued that his "Ice Ice Baby" was not a rip off of "Under Pressure." rofl
YAY!!!!! DIRU WILL BE PLAYING IN L.A. NEXT MONTH!!!!! YAY!!!!!!

..........I LOVE SHINYA!!!!
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Violent Rain
I must have an omniear or sumthin cuz i can tell every song from another. you want to hear bands that all there songs sound same, go listen to Tool or sumthin.

I ask of this once again:
Can we please be peaceful for the sake of music?


Wait, so you think that discussion is not peaceful? Sorry, I've been nothing but peaceful. All I've asked is for you to give an actual explanation of why you think you do. You've danced around the question multiple times, and attempt to be elite amongst us? No. We won't go back to fan drivel. If you want nothing but that, please, spare us and go to the chatterbox.


He got kicked out of the Rammstein thread for the same reasons.
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I attempted to do an "IKE's project"

Drat,I wish I knew about this. I would have participated.

I can point out many songs on WTD that sound the same.
AnCafeBouChan
I attempted to do an "IKE's project"

Drat,I wish I knew about this. I would have participated.

I can point out many songs on WTD that sound the same.


A few, but not as many and definetely not as similar to one another as some of the Marrow songs. neutral
I love Diru and all their music, even though some of the songs freak me out a bit when I get the translated version of the song, but I still love it.

Where I live, from the music store HMV, I can only purchase 2 of Diru's cd's: Marrow of a Bone, and Withering to Death. I have Withering to Death. But they even have to order it in XP

Hurray for anime conventions! Lots of cd's
SparrowWriter
i know everything
Violent Rain
I must have an omniear or sumthin cuz i can tell every song from another. you want to hear bands that all there songs sound same, go listen to Tool or sumthin.

I ask of this once again:
Can we please be peaceful for the sake of music?


Wait, so you think that discussion is not peaceful? Sorry, I've been nothing but peaceful. All I've asked is for you to give an actual explanation of why you think you do. You've danced around the question multiple times, and attempt to be elite amongst us? No. We won't go back to fan drivel. If you want nothing but that, please, spare us and go to the chatterbox.


He got kicked out of the Rammstein thread for the same reasons.

No, I got kicked out of Rammstein for pointing out and prooving the hyprocracy of the one guy. Here, I just dun feel like reading a wall of text.
lilac_luck
the thing about dir en grey that i've noticed is that....well especially with they're early work, they tend to over-do the lyrics a bit.
I mean take 'Embryo' for example, when i first heard it i really liked it, and i still do; seeing as it was in japanese, i couldn;t really understand what they were saying. And to be honest i preferred it, because when i eventually looked up the meaning of the song i was so put off i didn't think i could listen to it again.
Why do they have to be so explicit?
I understand that some people prefer it but.....i mean really, come on now.
Well, moral of the story, ignorance is bliss...for me i guess.

In my own opinion, I think explict lyrics are a lot better, because the message is put more clearly across.
AnCafeBouChan
I attempted to do an "IKE's project"

Drat,I wish I knew about this. I would have participated.

I can point out many songs on WTD that sound the same.


I don't hear many songs that sound alike on WTD...there are a few...but Marrow of a Bone...that one has SOOOO MANY! that sound alike. I like most of the songs, but I can't listen to them repeatedly 'cause they get to repetative...

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