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After watching how vets are treated, it is absolutely amazing that anyone is still volunteering to be a part of their military.

They pay those in the military like crap, they keep sending their best soldiers back to Afghanistan and Iraq again and again, they don’t equip them properly, military suicides are at a record pace, hundreds of thousands of applications for veteran benefits are hopelessly backlogged, homelessness and unemployment among vets is much higher than for the general population, the condition of most VA hospitals is an absolute disgrace, and to top everything off now the Obama regime has started labeling military veterans as “potential terrorists”.

The way a nation treats military vets says a lot about the character of that nation, and right now the way that America treats veterans says that they have the character of a steaming pile of manure.

The U.S. military just keeps sending young men and women back to Iraq and Afghanistan over and over again without any regard for what the consequences might be.

If you can believe it, an astounding 20 percent of all active duty soldiers in the U.S. Army are on at least their third tour of duty.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2012/0323/Sgt.-Robert-Bales-and-multiple-tours-of-duty-How-many-is-too-many

The physical, mental and emotional toll of these multiple tours of duty should not be underestimated. It is absolutely unprecedented in U.S. history for so many men to be sent back into frequent combat situations so repeatedly. The price of this foolishness could potentially be felt throughout the society for decades to come.

www.nydailynews.com/news/national/military-suicides-rising-combat-eases-article-1.1091776?localLinksEnabled=false

The fact that many US soldiers are spending way too much time in active war zones is a big reason why military suicides are at a record pace, physical, mental, emotional fatigue, Pointless wars, Low morale, Many soldiers see their marriages end, and others are left with severe physical and mental disabilities

Many U.S. soldiers return home from war only to find that they are being billed by their own government.
www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/06/rob-dickerson-purple-heart-c-o-d_n_919379.html


War comes with an incalculable human cost. And apparently a shipping fee of about $21.

Retired Sgt. Major Rob Dickerson says that’s the price he was forced to pay when his Purple Heart — the medal issued to soldiers wounded in action — arrived at his door, C.O.D.

Instead of being awarded the military honor in a formal ceremony, the vet with 29 years in the service was handed his award, and a shipping invoice, by a FedEx deliveryman outside his Sioux Falls, S.D., home.



You would think that soldiers returning from war should quickly and easily be able to apply for the veteran benefits that they are owed.

Unfortunately, the complete opposite is the case.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Roth/laurie216.htm


The truth is that they have made it extremely difficult for their military veterans to claim the benefits that they have promised them. Vets have to fill out an absurdly complicated 23 page application and if they make even one small mistake their applications can be stonewalled for years. The U.S. Veterans Administration actually has a policy under which they pay large bonuses to employees that meet certain application processing goals. This explains why approximately 70% of the claims submitted to the Veterans Administration are refused or sent back to be redone. In fact, using the Freedom of Information Act, one local NBC station was able to learn that $250,000 was paid in bonuses to VA employees who work inside the Poff Federal Building in Roanoke, Virginia in just one year alone.

Not only that, but a report issued by the VA’s Office of Inspector General said the department issued millions of dollars in performance awards to employees nationwide over a two year period in 2007 and 2008.

According to CNN, one retired VA official was singled out for improperly approving a very large number of bonuses and the report said that she “acted as if she was given a blank checkbook to write unlimited monetary awards.”


The unemployment rate for veterans is much higher than the overall rate of unemployment, and military veterans are losing their homes at a much faster rate than the general population as well.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/30/banks-targeting-military-families-for-illegal-foreclosures/

According to Veterans Today, a shockingly high percentage of military families have been losing their homes since 2008….

Figures lie, some groups are counted, some are not. But the lowest figures available have one in three families, this includes active duty serving overseas, reservists and National Guard and veterans losing their homes since 2008.



Two thirds of those are now “split up” with at least one member listed as “homeless.” Almost all are, according to official figures, “living in poverty.”

200,000 Military Veterans Sleeping On The Streets Of America

he U.S. government does not prepare our vets to come back and reintegrate into society. They just kind of kick them to the curb and hope that they can find jobs.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/28/opinion/la-oe-shriver-vets-homeless-20120528

According to the latest count by the Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority, the number of homeless individuals in Los Angeles County dropped by 3% between 2009 and 2011. The numbers declined for all groups except one: veterans. There were 9,000 homeless veterans here in 2011, a 24% increase over 2009. And the number of chronically homeless veterans — individuals who are homeless because of severe mental disabilities — increased by more than 100%, from 1,243 to 2,520.

And more are coming. California’s Department of Veterans Affairs estimated in 2009 that 28,000 vets would return from Iraq and Afghanistan per year during this administration.

http://www.military.com/benefits/veteran-benefits/homeless-veterans-programs.html

The Shocking Condition Of VA Hospitals

When wounded soldiers come home from the battlefield the U.S. government has a responsibility to take care of them properly.

the truth is that many facilities for veterans are absolute hellholes

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/17/AR2007021701172.html

Behind the door of Army Spec. Jeremy Duncan’s room, part of the wall is torn and hangs in the air, weighted down with black mold. When the wounded combat engineer stands in his shower and looks up, he can see the bathtub on the floor above through a rotted hole. The entire building, constructed between the world wars, often smells like greasy carry-out. Signs of neglect are everywhere: mouse droppings, belly-up cockroaches, stained carpets, cheap mattresses.

This is the world of Building 18, not the kind of place where Duncan expected to recover when he was evacuated to Walter Reed Army Medical Center from Iraq last February with a broken neck and a shredded left ear, nearly dead from blood loss.


Today, it takes military vets an average of seven months to get an appointment at a VA facility.

They are not getting the care that they need, and it would be a tremendous understatement to say that the condition of many VA facilities is absolutely horrendous.

A while back, ABC News did an in-depth investigation of conditions at VA facilities across the United States.
http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=132383&page=1

*Bathrooms filthy with what appeared to be human excrement

*Dirty linens from some patients mixed in with clean supplies

*Examining tables that had dried blood and medications still on them

*Equipment used to sterilize surgical instruments that had broken down

*Some patients were forced to beg for food and water

*Veterans that were neglected so badly that they developed horrific bedsores and dangerous infections

This is the kind of thing you would expect in a third world country, not the United States of America.
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On top of everything else, the Department of Homeland Security has labeled military veterans as potential terrorists.

http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

"The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks."

this kind of philosophy is not just reflected in policy papers. Now we are actually starting to see military veterans rounded up and shipped off to mental institutions for “evaluation” if they express views that the government does not like.

For example, you have probably already heard about the Brandon Raub case by now. Brandon Raub is a 26-year-old military veteran who was forcibly detained by the local police, the FBI and the Secret Service on August 16th. He was shipped off to a psychiatric facility because of song lyrics and political views that he had posted on his Facebook page.

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/fbi-secret-service-and-police-swarm-marines-home-after-facebook-comments-flagged-as-terrorist-threats_08192012

Thankfully, the Rutherford Institute agreed to defend him and he was released a few days ago

But if he had not had a really good lawyer he could have been rotting in a mental institution for years.

his does not appear to be an isolated incident.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/08/another-veteran-raided-his-firearms-confiscated-must-appear-before-judge-for-mental-evaluationalert-2456364.html

Radio host Steve Quayle was sent news of an Army combat veteran and Purple Heart recipient in west central Ohio who was the victim of a police raid on the evening of August 22nd during which Miami County Ohio Sheriff’s deputies executed a search warrant to seize the man’s firearms for the “safety of the defendant and the general public,” according to the warrant.

The veteran, who is currently unnamed, had his guns taken because he was adjudged to be mentally incompetent, despite the fact that his previous VA psychiatric evaluations were all clear, he is not on medication, and he had no criminal record. The man appears to be a respected member of the community – he works for a Christian company and his father is a police officer and a pastor.

Once a military vet is determined to be “mentally ill”, he or she can be rounded up by the authorities at any time.

And tons of vets are being labeled as mentally ill these days. In fact, one study discovered that approximately one-third of all military veterans returning from Afghanistan and Iraq were officially determined to be mentally ill.

It is very dangerous to be a military veteran these days.

So why should anyone volunteer to be in the U.S military at this point?

It has become abundantly clear that the federal government is not on the side of veterans.

The federal government wants lots of warm bodies to throw into battle, but when those bodies get broken the government is not there to pick up the pieces.

How the U,S treatment of their veterans is a national disgrace.
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yeah all admitted facts. butthurt downvotes.
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yeah all admitted facts. butthurt downvotes.


There are serious issues for veterans, but an emo approach solves nothing. I have been rying to filter out facts - one not-so-well-known fact is that having been labeled as mentally ill does make a person vulnerable to the discretion of police. It definitely does exist and is used in targeting those who seem to have little power (lower economic groups, by address; darker skin; being less polite to a police officer than a private to a commissioned military officer - but very few are likely to join in on a thread where opinion and emotion dominate the facts section.

For facts on veterans' issues, see IAVA.com, Iraq and Afghan Veterans Association. It is an excellent source for accurate information and support for veterans.
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when everything is run on money and how you look, who cares about the people who are doing your dirty work for you


js
A lot of good points made here.
Solution: Don't apply for a job that includes killing people in unjust wars for "Democracy", when really it's just an invasion
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Greedy Consumer

probably because they dont wanna pay for 45+ years of every soldier's life. Do you know thatd be like doubling the amount of money people get from government, we would be super in debt, no Im very sure we voted their rights away to save money. Besides their relatives can take care of them, and if they dont there are homeless shelters.

But war is a dumb idea in the first place.
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Solution: Don't apply for a job that includes killing people in unjust wars for "Democracy", when really it's just an invasion
Well they are trying to democratize those nations. Though theres no profit in it from what I can see, except perhaps more territories and slowly modernizing the whole world, which would really ******** us up.

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