GreenSkylord
Firstly, yes = side that was cheated out of winning.
Oh? Apologies.
As I imagine my frequent references to our politics suggest, I'm Canadian. Can't claim to follow any of this too closely. I have no skin in this game, but I'm quite militantly on the side of logic, and a lot of this "evidence" is completely foreign to it. Now, moving on.
Right. Well I'll start by saying that, arguably (We'll get to that in a moment)
this is real evidence.
Unlike "I knew we were going to win, but we didn't = proof of vote rigging" that is what we in the Intelligent Human Being department call complete nonsense.
Now, to this video itself.
Example 1 - He points to one note with a clearly written "Yes" on it, and another that is a blurry blotch of unreadable text. That is about as much prove of vote rigging as all the videos of Sasquatch are for it's existence.
However, even if that unreadable plot of text was a yes, this does not prove rigging. It raises the possibility of it, to be sure, but it is not undeniable proof.
Could just be two misplaced votes, yes?
Oh ho ho ho ho ho ho. My dear.... I just found a
very interesting tweet.
Here we go.
Now, the question becomes, is Yes Dundee a part of the conspiracy and cheating themselves out of the vote?
Example 2 - ... I'm sorry... What even was that? All I'm seeing is blurry footage of a guy handling papers.
Example 3 - See,
that.
That is proper evidence.
Not blurry footage of unreadable text.
Not blurry footage of man handling papers.
Not "I WANTED TO WIN AND WE DIDN'T! WAAAAAAAAAAAH!"
That s**t is suspicious.
Now prove that it happened enough to rig the election in it's entirety.
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Breaking the Purdah laws, which is releasing new info when some people had voted via post.
Intimidation, which was widespread. MPs stood and told pensioners they'd lose their savings and pensions on a yes vote.
I'm going to need a source on that please.
But if this is the case, it still is not proof of vote-rigging (Unless you are going by some European law wherein that sort of thing counts as rigging.) it's proof of MPs being corrupt.
Now, if we can put aside legal technicallity, I will point out that in a Platonic, World of Ideas argument, that isn't really what I'd call vote-rigging.
It
could just piss the pensioners off and make them all vote yes, it
could scare them into voting no, they
could be so senile that a few days later, they were all going "Eh! You remeber that young man? What was he talking about?" "Which young man?" "Ya know, the one who came by a few days ago? Something about Politics." "Eh, wasn't that my Grandson? He visited me yesterday. Boy is growing up real fast."
Point is - That ain't proof that the vote itself was rigged, because it does not assure a specific outcome, it leaves room for a great many.
Essentially, in my eyes, that's about as much of a rigging as Tim Hudak using "Vote for me or the economy will die" Intimidation techniques.
Or the Liberals countering with "If Civil Servants vote for Tim Hudak, they will lose their jobs" techniques.
This may just be my North American sensibilities showing, but I don't call that vote rigging. I call it standard issue Campaigning.
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Lying about information. Eg, we were told there would not be enough oil for fifty years, day after referendum, we have 100 years of oil.
(Aside - Are you Scottish? I'll assume ya, what with the "we". From one resource having place to another, completely independent of your referendum, relying on non-renewable resources to keep the ship afloat isn't the best of ideas. 100 years? Good for you. What happens on the 101rst? I recall an old saying, something to the effect of care for seven generations of your descendants and s**t. Oh, and I've heard rumors that the Saudis are using certain business techniques to try to sink the North American oil industry. Essentially, oil is a fickle mistress, and if ones voting yes or no is dependent on the state of that industry, one might be inclined to go no for safety, because sooner or later, you'll get a big old bite right on the ******** a**.)
... Can I ask... Is Europe some political Utopia? Seriously, politicians lying during the Campaign is business as ********' usual here in North America.
Like, if you don't think the men and women on the trail are lying, you are dangerously naive.
But who knows, maybe Tim Hudak really could produce One Million well paying, respectable private sector jobs in four years, and his statistics were in no way complete lies.
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And the fact is, quite simply, that all these mistakes, that could have caused large scale rigging,
Then to this I say the Scottish are dangerously naieve. Seriously, need to get some damned street smarts.
Essentially, would you say if I came through a Scottish town with a cart full of bottles of snake oil, claiming it could cure cancer, and had a good plant or two who would claim it cured theirs, I'd make millions?
I'm sorry, but you people are living in some freakin' Utopia if lying politicians actually sways your elections, rather than invoking a "Oh ho ho! They're at it again! Would ya get a look at that one?"
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And the 39000 people who voted no in Dundee? Anonymous voting you say?
They simply don't exist.
Prove it. (In advance - Proof will require
real,
concrete,
tactile evidence. Not more talk.)
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Dundee was militant about its choice.
Maybe that's why these voters are so hard to find.
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They could not find 150 no voters for a debate audience,
Might have something to do with how militant everyone else was about it.
I'm not going to walk into a blue-collar, tough guy pub and call Rob Ford a lying, crack-head, douche because I don't want to get my teeth kicked in.
Apply the same principle.
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On another note, huge ego? Didn't your mother ever teach you not to be an ar******?
No. But she did teach me not to be overly sensitive when dealing with cry babies and sore losers.
Continuing with that theme, if nothing else proves that nothing is going to come of this, it's the fact that Alex Jones is (based on the side-bar of the video you linked) waving your banner.
Because when Alex "Y2K IS HAPPENING! WORLD LEADERS ARE DECLARING THE NWO AND TURNING INTO DEMONS!" Jones is on your side, you
know ye'r gonna get results.
Just like you knew you were going to win the referendum.
Heyo!
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