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The government doesn't need to know every single thing we do, honestly. There are acts before that protected us, now they want to tear them wide open? Seriously guys?
it seems that one after another of these bills is popping up like weeds. I'm now going to do some furhter reseach on this topic. I have also heard (mind you this might be non-sense) that Congress is trying to pass some sort of bill that will require everyone to get some sort of "chip". if this is so, then we would be worse than China is at present. I throughly agree that we need to put term limits on our Congressmen and women. But then here is my question: how many terms do we limit them to and how will this make our country better? It is my belief that we stillo have the power, even though the incumbants have the money. We the People, in November should vote for some new blood in Congress. We the People still have the power and it's well past time that we send them a clear reminder in November, or whenever elections may be held.
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RON PAUL 2012.
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The government doesn't need to know every single thing we do, honestly. There are acts before that protected us, now they want to tear them wide open? Seriously guys?


Nor do they probably care about what you do. This isn't SOPA; it wasn't created to deal with copyright violations or piracy. And while I have read a lot of arguments against it, many come back to that, the fear they are going to be going after file sharers. But the changes in the bill have mostly dealt with that, removing the language on "intellectual property" that originally pertained to stolen R&D and other secrets. And the "acts before" have never protected us; the market has, more than anything. But it is a Brave New World, and weaponized malware is a serious threat. While it was science fiction to most people, Iran found out what a weaponized worm could do. And Stuxnet was two years ago, and that is worth about twenty in development-years. We are living in Zero-day.

I am not completely sold on the language in this bill. But it is a step forward in communication. Can it be abused? Of course; what cannot? File sharing was not designed so you could download The Avengers before it shows up in a theater, but it is probably already on Pirate Bay. 747 were not designed to be slammed into buildings. Anything can be abused. But a system that voluntarily helps networks share cracker profiles and other attack information would be a help in keeping the Internet viable.

Just my 2 cents.
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I honestly won't be surprised if eventually we loose every bit of freedom we have as American citizens with the way things are going now.

If they take away any rights we have while using the internet, I highly doubt nothing will stop them from taking away all of our rights as citizens of the United States. Eventually our government will most likely turn into a dictatorship or monarchy. Slowly our freedom of speech, press, and religion will be taken away if this continues. It's a shame, our founding fathers would not be proud of the way this country is today :I.

Does anyone know if the bill was passed or denied Monday?

We already have some of our rights taken away from us. We have to be "politically correct" when speaking in public, they are telling what we can and cannot preach in our churches, the press has no sense of privacy, and we cannot even defend ourselves about these rights. All the politics want is a show because all it really is nowadays is a contest. They don't really care about what the people want. There are some that actually do but those are the ones that never get into office. Don't be surprised because this isn't a democracy anymore. Its a socialist reform in my opinion.


To be fair though, racial slurs and gendered slurs SHOULD not be tolerated. At all. That can be considered hate speech.

And preaching hate against certain sexual orientations and the various genders should not at ALL be in any church. Especially churches that boast about being so "loving and tolerant."

My a**.

The press, however, needs to be more heavily moderated and taken out of people's private lives. Celebrity and non alike.
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I honestly won't be surprised if eventually we loose every bit of freedom we have as American citizens with the way things are going now.

If they take away any rights we have while using the internet, I highly doubt nothing will stop them from taking away all of our rights as citizens of the United States. Eventually our government will most likely turn into a dictatorship or monarchy. Slowly our freedom of speech, press, and religion will be taken away if this continues. It's a shame, our founding fathers would not be proud of the way this country is today :I.

Does anyone know if the bill was passed or denied Monday?

We already have some of our rights taken away from us. We have to be "politically correct" when speaking in public, they are telling what we can and cannot preach in our churches, the press has no sense of privacy, and we cannot even defend ourselves about these rights. All the politics want is a show because all it really is nowadays is a contest. They don't really care about what the people want. There are some that actually do but those are the ones that never get into office. Don't be surprised because this isn't a democracy anymore. Its a socialist reform in my opinion.


To be fair though, racial slurs and gendered slurs SHOULD not be tolerated. At all. That can be considered hate speech.

And preaching hate against certain sexual orientations and the various genders should not at ALL be in any church. Especially churches that boast about being so "loving and tolerant."

My a**.

The press, however, needs to be more heavily moderated and taken out of people's private lives. Celebrity and non alike.


Ah, but now you have moved into "Freedom of Speech That I Approve Of." Believing in freedom of speech means that I will support the right of people to espouse things I hate. It means I disagree with what you say (generic "you," not specifically you, of course,) but you have the right to say it.

Now when you say that slurs should not be tolerated, as societal mores I agree completely. However when you get to the point of having the government regulate it, that is when it starts to walk over the First Amendment.
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I honestly won't be surprised if eventually we loose every bit of freedom we have as American citizens with the way things are going now.

If they take away any rights we have while using the internet, I highly doubt nothing will stop them from taking away all of our rights as citizens of the United States. Eventually our government will most likely turn into a dictatorship or monarchy. Slowly our freedom of speech, press, and religion will be taken away if this continues. It's a shame, our founding fathers would not be proud of the way this country is today :I.

Does anyone know if the bill was passed or denied Monday?

We already have some of our rights taken away from us. We have to be "politically correct" when speaking in public, they are telling what we can and cannot preach in our churches, the press has no sense of privacy, and we cannot even defend ourselves about these rights. All the politics want is a show because all it really is nowadays is a contest. They don't really care about what the people want. There are some that actually do but those are the ones that never get into office. Don't be surprised because this isn't a democracy anymore. Its a socialist reform in my opinion.


To be fair though, racial slurs and gendered slurs SHOULD not be tolerated. At all. That can be considered hate speech.

And preaching hate against certain sexual orientations and the various genders should not at ALL be in any church. Especially churches that boast about being so "loving and tolerant."

My a**.

The press, however, needs to be more heavily moderated and taken out of people's private lives. Celebrity and non alike.


Ah, but now you have moved into "Freedom of Speech That I Approve Of." Believing in freedom of speech means that I will support the right of people to espouse things I hate. It means I disagree with what you say (generic "you," not specifically you, of course,) but you have the right to say it.

Now when you say that slurs should not be tolerated, as societal mores I agree completely. However when you get to the point of having the government regulate it, that is when it starts to walk over the First Amendment.


Except, there's already things against hate speech. People have sued and won over that s**t. Especially if the ones who do that s**t are very presentable on said hate speech.

But then again, you're right.

I just want the right to punch a bigoted a*****e in the mouth and not get sued over it because they happen to say s**t and death threats to someone who happens to be gay, trans, a different race, opposite gender, etc.

:/
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The government doesn't need to know every single thing we do, honestly. There are acts before that protected us, now they want to tear them wide open? Seriously guys?


Nor do they probably care about what you do. This isn't SOPA; it wasn't created to deal with copyright violations or piracy. And while I have read a lot of arguments against it, many come back to that, the fear they are going to be going after file sharers. But the changes in the bill have mostly dealt with that, removing the language on "intellectual property" that originally pertained to stolen R&D and other secrets. And the "acts before" have never protected us; the market has, more than anything. But it is a Brave New World, and weaponized malware is a serious threat. While it was science fiction to most people, Iran found out what a weaponized worm could do. And Stuxnet was two years ago, and that is worth about twenty in development-years. We are living in Zero-day.

I am not completely sold on the language in this bill. But it is a step forward in communication. Can it be abused? Of course; what cannot? File sharing was not designed so you could download The Avengers before it shows up in a theater, but it is probably already on Pirate Bay. 747 were not designed to be slammed into buildings. Anything can be abused. But a system that voluntarily helps networks share cracker profiles and other attack information would be a help in keeping the Internet viable.

Just my 2 cents.


Well, whatever the case, the bills need to be written cleaner so the point can get across without all of this mess happening.
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You should take a good look at this article. It's a few hours old, but it may be news to some of you.

Keep an eye on the Senate. The House has already passed their version of the bill.

www.techdirt.com/articles/20120426/14505718671/insanity-cispa-just-got-way-worse-then-passed-rushed-vote.shtml
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Oh great. Another win for Ron Paul.

Too bad he isn't getting anything special with the Republicans.

He should try again in 4 years for the Democrats.

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