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You kind of missed the part where nowhere in that article did the investigator refute the claim of a manslaughter charge. The head guy did (Wolfkringer?), but why at this stage would he admit to turning down a manslaughter charge? Manslaughter was also filed in the police report. Killing someone in self-defense is still manslaughter.

The only thing that the detective said in that article was that he believed Zimmerman acted in self-defense.

"The killing of a human being by the act, procurement, or culpable negligence of another, without lawful justification according to the provisions of chapter 776 and in cases in which such killing shall not be excusable homicide or murder . . . is a second degree felony punishable by up to 15 years in state prison regardless of whether the act may have been intentional or not."

http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/782.07


It was Benjamin Crump that claimed that Detective Serino wanted to charge Zimmerman with Manslaughter on that first night.

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Police did that night prepare an incident report that lists "manslaughter" as the possible crime being investigated, but in every case in which an officer prepares an incident report, he or she fills in that spot with some crime and statute number to allow the agency to properly report crime statistics to the FBI.


This was what he was talking about, but it wasn't a statement that he believed Zimmerman was guilty. He was putting manslaughter as something he would investigate, but it was not a statement that he believed Zimmerman was guilty of Manslaughter. That was just how Benjamin Crump misrepresented the report to the media.

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Serino said his investigation turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman's account – that he had acted in self-defense.

"The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event," Serino told the Sentinel March 16. "Everything I have is adding up to what he says."


Can't you see that Trayvon's family has an agenda, and that Benjamin Crump has been manufacturing a campaign of propaganda against George Zimmerman.
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I said that there is apparently evidence that Trayvon tried to take Zimmerman's gun from him before the shooting. That was part of Zimmerman's statement and the Lead Investigator stated that ALL the evidence indicated Zimmerman was telling the truth, plus there was the fact that we do know, that a second bullet failed to load into the chamber from the magazine, which would have been most likely caused in a struggle over the gun


There's still a dead body and a clear shooter. Self-defense is still something that's done in proportion. It was not appropiate for Zimmerman to approach. It was not appropiate for Zimmerman to approach an unarmed minor with a gun. And it was not appropiate for Zimmerman to use a gun in "self-defense" of an unarmed minor.

Also, you were incorrect to "probable cause". The police on scene did want to arrest Zimmerman (meaning there was probable cause), but the State Attorney turned down their request. He was, however reccomended to be charged with manslaughter (still a crime) before the charge was bumped up to second degree murder.

Another thing, Martin was shot at close range in the chest, which was revealed according to the autopsy. That doesn't exactly align with shooting someone because you were worried that they'd get the gun first. Think about what the situation would have to be for someone to be directly shot in the chest at arm's length.

It's nice that you live in Lala land, but you should stop watching Fox News and actually research the garbage they're telling you.


I am quoting the ORLANDO SENTINEL. The mainstream media is LYING about Detective Chris Serino wanting to charge Zimmerman with anything.

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A lawyer for Trayvon Martin's family is asking the U.S. Department of Justice to review what he alleges was a meeting the night the 17-year-old was killed between Sanford's police chief and State Attorney Norm Wolfinger.

Benjamin Crump sent a formal request to the federal agency Monday, saying he believes Wolfinger and police Chief Bill Lee Jr. met Feb. 26 and overruled a homicide investigator's recommendation that George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter.

Monday afternoon, Wolfinger said there was no meeting and that the letter was based on "outright lies". He also denounced "those spreading … irresponsible rhetoric".

Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon during a fight that rainy Sunday evening. Zimmerman told police he had followed the teenager but turned back then acted in self-defense when Trayvon knocked him to the ground and began pounding Zimmerman's head on a sidewalk.

Zimmerman has not been arrested, and that has set off marches and rallies across the country by people, saying Trayvon was the victim of racial profiling and Zimmerman is being coddled by police.

The case is being investigated by a special prosecutor, and two weeks ago the U.S. Department of Justice launched a civil rights investigation.

Some news agencies have reported that Sanford's lead investigator, Chris Serino, wanted Zimmerman charged with manslaughter that night but Wolfinger's office put a stop to it. The city of Sanford issued a statement saying that is not true.

Police did that night prepare an incident report that lists "manslaughter" as the possible crime being investigated, but in every case in which an officer prepares an incident report, he or she fills in that spot with some crime and statute number to allow the agency to properly report crime statistics to the FBI.

Two weeks ago, during an exclusive interview with the Sentinel, Lee disclosed certain details of the investigation and during that session, attended by Serino and others, Serino said his investigation turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman's account – that he had acted in self-defense.

"The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event," Serino told the Sentinel March 16. "Everything I have is adding up to what he says."

In his letter Monday to Roy Austin, deputy assistant attorney general in the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, Crump wrote, "We look forward to your thorough and comprehensive review of the suspicious circumstances surrounding this meeting, and the decision to disregard the recommendation of the lead homicide investigator, Mr. Serino, who felt compelled to prepare an affidavit memorializing his recommendation to arrest the shooter George Zimmerman."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-02/news/os-trayvon-martin-federal-review-justice-letter-20120402_1_chief-bill-lee-federal-review-federal-agency


Bejamin Crump, Attorney for the family or Trayvon Martin, put forward the false story about Chris Serino wanting to charge George Zimmerman. It never happened. It is a complete fabrication.
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I can't believe how stupid you are. Let me break this down in small words.

Manslaughter is when you kill someone. Murder is when you kill someone intentionally. Negligent homicide is when you kill someone on accident due to your negligence.

So killing someone, no matter what the circumstances, is a crime. There are some exceptions, but they only apply if you work for the government. Zimmerman clearly was not some undercover FBI agent looking to off some kid carrying around Skittles.

Zimmerman shot Trayvon. No one is disputing this.

So Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter. Stand Your Ground only alleviates arrest, not the conviction.
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I can't believe how stupid you are. Let me break this down in small words.

Manslaughter is when you kill someone. Murder is when you kill someone intentionally. Negligent homicide is when you kill someone on accident due to your negligence.

So killing someone, no matter what the circumstances, is a crime. There are some exceptions, but they only apply if you work for the government. Zimmerman clearly was not some undercover FBI agent looking to off some kid carrying around Skittles.

Zimmerman shot Trayvon. No one is disputing this.

So Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter. Stand Your Ground only alleviates arrest, not the conviction.
You don't think he intended to kill Treyvon?
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I can't believe how stupid you are. Let me break this down in small words.

Manslaughter is when you kill someone. Murder is when you kill someone intentionally. Negligent homicide is when you kill someone on accident due to your negligence.

So killing someone, no matter what the circumstances, is a crime. There are some exceptions, but they only apply if you work for the government. Zimmerman clearly was not some undercover FBI agent looking to off some kid carrying around Skittles.

Zimmerman shot Trayvon. No one is disputing this.

So Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter. Stand Your Ground only alleviates arrest, not the conviction.


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A non-criminal homicide, usually committed in self-defense or in defense of another, may be called in some cases in the United States. A homicide may be considered justified if it is done to prevent a very serious crime, such as rape, armed robbery, manslaughter or murder. The assailant's intent to commit a serious crime must be clear at the time. A homicide performed out of vengeance, or retribution for action in the past, would largely not be considered justifiable.

In cases of self-defense, the defendant should generally obey a duty to retreat if it is possible to do so. In the states of Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, West Virginia, Washington, Wyoming and other Castle Doctrine states, there is no duty to retreat in certain situations (depending on the state, this may apply to one's home, business, or vehicle, or to any public place where a person is lawfully present). Preemptive self-defense, cases in which one kills another on suspicion that the victim might eventually become dangerous, is considered criminal, no matter how likely it is that one was right. Justifiable homicide is a legal gray area, and there is no clear legal standard for a homicide to be considered justifiable. The circumstances under which homicide is justified are usually considered to be that the defendant had no alternative method of self-defense or defense of another than to kill the attacker.

In the US Supreme court ruling of District of Columbia v Heller, the majority held that the constitution protected the right to the possession of firearms for the purpose of self defense "and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home".


Self-defense is a form of non-criminal homicide, meaning if a person is using self defense, it is not a crime, and it is not manslaughter

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Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being, in a manner considered by law as less culpable than murder. The distinction between murder and manslaughter is said to have first been made by the Ancient Athenian lawmaker Draco in the 7th century BC.


Therefore, Self-defense is not Manslaughter.
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You don't think he intended to kill Treyvon?


Well, he shot him in the chest, so that's kind of a non-sequiter. Manslaughter is the very minimum he should be charged with.
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I can't believe how stupid you are. Let me break this down in small words.

Manslaughter is when you kill someone. Murder is when you kill someone intentionally. Negligent homicide is when you kill someone on accident due to your negligence.

So killing someone, no matter what the circumstances, is a crime. There are some exceptions, but they only apply if you work for the government. Zimmerman clearly was not some undercover FBI agent looking to off some kid carrying around Skittles.

Zimmerman shot Trayvon. No one is disputing this.

So Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter. Stand Your Ground only alleviates arrest, not the conviction.
You don't think he intended to kill Treyvon?


The media has done a great disservice to everyone in their zeal to get the story out. Benjamin Crump, an attorney that works for Trayvon's family, has engaged in a campaign of misinformation meant to make George Zimmerman look bad.

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A lawyer for Trayvon Martin's family is asking the U.S. Department of Justice to review what he alleges was a meeting the night the 17-year-old was killed between Sanford's police chief and State Attorney Norm Wolfinger.

Benjamin Crump sent a formal request to the federal agency Monday, saying he believes Wolfinger and police Chief Bill Lee Jr. met Feb. 26 and overruled a homicide investigator's recommendation that George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter.

Monday afternoon, Wolfinger said there was no meeting and that the letter was based on "outright lies". He also denounced "those spreading … irresponsible rhetoric".

Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon during a fight that rainy Sunday evening. Zimmerman told police he had followed the teenager but turned back then acted in self-defense when Trayvon knocked him to the ground and began pounding Zimmerman's head on a sidewalk.

Zimmerman has not been arrested, and that has set off marches and rallies across the country by people, saying Trayvon was the victim of racial profiling and Zimmerman is being coddled by police.

The case is being investigated by a special prosecutor, and two weeks ago the U.S. Department of Justice launched a civil rights investigation.

Some news agencies have reported that Sanford's lead investigator, Chris Serino, wanted Zimmerman charged with manslaughter that night but Wolfinger's office put a stop to it. The city of Sanford issued a statement saying that is not true.

Police did that night prepare an incident report that lists "manslaughter" as the possible crime being investigated, but in every case in which an officer prepares an incident report, he or she fills in that spot with some crime and statute number to allow the agency to properly report crime statistics to the FBI.

Two weeks ago, during an exclusive interview with the Sentinel, Lee disclosed certain details of the investigation and during that session, attended by Serino and others, Serino said his investigation turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman's account – that he had acted in self-defense.

"The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event," Serino told the Sentinel March 16. "Everything I have is adding up to what he says."


In his letter Monday to Roy Austin, deputy assistant attorney general in the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, Crump wrote, "We look forward to your thorough and comprehensive review of the suspicious circumstances surrounding this meeting, and the decision to disregard the recommendation of the lead homicide investigator, Mr. Serino, who felt compelled to prepare an affidavit memorializing his recommendation to arrest the shooter George Zimmerman."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-02/news/os-trayvon-martin-federal-review-justice-letter-20120402_1_chief-bill-lee-federal-review-federal-agency


The media published Benjamin Crumps smeer campaign and made no attempt to verify any of the facts before publishing them. There has been an incredible bias against Zimmerman, and there's been a major rush to judgment, but the people that know the case best believe that George Zimmerman acted in self-defense because that is what all the evidence indicates.

Arresting George Zimmerman was a politically motivated action.
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You don't think he intended to kill Treyvon?


Well, he shot him in the chest, so that's kind of a non-sequiter. Manslaughter is the very minimum he should be charged with.
I agree, it needs to be at least manslaughter.
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I can't believe how stupid you are. Let me break this down in small words.

Manslaughter is when you kill someone. Murder is when you kill someone intentionally. Negligent homicide is when you kill someone on accident due to your negligence.

So killing someone, no matter what the circumstances, is a crime. There are some exceptions, but they only apply if you work for the government. Zimmerman clearly was not some undercover FBI agent looking to off some kid carrying around Skittles.

Zimmerman shot Trayvon. No one is disputing this.

So Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter. Stand Your Ground only alleviates arrest, not the conviction.
You don't think he intended to kill Treyvon?


The media has done a great disservice to everyone in their zeal to get the story out. Benjamin Crump, an attorney that works for Trayvon's family, has engaged in a campaign of misinformation meant to make George Zimmerman look bad.

Quote:
A lawyer for Trayvon Martin's family is asking the U.S. Department of Justice to review what he alleges was a meeting the night the 17-year-old was killed between Sanford's police chief and State Attorney Norm Wolfinger.

Benjamin Crump sent a formal request to the federal agency Monday, saying he believes Wolfinger and police Chief Bill Lee Jr. met Feb. 26 and overruled a homicide investigator's recommendation that George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter.

Monday afternoon, Wolfinger said there was no meeting and that the letter was based on "outright lies". He also denounced "those spreading … irresponsible rhetoric".

Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon during a fight that rainy Sunday evening. Zimmerman told police he had followed the teenager but turned back then acted in self-defense when Trayvon knocked him to the ground and began pounding Zimmerman's head on a sidewalk.

Zimmerman has not been arrested, and that has set off marches and rallies across the country by people, saying Trayvon was the victim of racial profiling and Zimmerman is being coddled by police.

The case is being investigated by a special prosecutor, and two weeks ago the U.S. Department of Justice launched a civil rights investigation.

Some news agencies have reported that Sanford's lead investigator, Chris Serino, wanted Zimmerman charged with manslaughter that night but Wolfinger's office put a stop to it. The city of Sanford issued a statement saying that is not true.

Police did that night prepare an incident report that lists "manslaughter" as the possible crime being investigated, but in every case in which an officer prepares an incident report, he or she fills in that spot with some crime and statute number to allow the agency to properly report crime statistics to the FBI.

Two weeks ago, during an exclusive interview with the Sentinel, Lee disclosed certain details of the investigation and during that session, attended by Serino and others, Serino said his investigation turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman's account – that he had acted in self-defense.

"The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event," Serino told the Sentinel March 16. "Everything I have is adding up to what he says."


In his letter Monday to Roy Austin, deputy assistant attorney general in the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, Crump wrote, "We look forward to your thorough and comprehensive review of the suspicious circumstances surrounding this meeting, and the decision to disregard the recommendation of the lead homicide investigator, Mr. Serino, who felt compelled to prepare an affidavit memorializing his recommendation to arrest the shooter George Zimmerman."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-02/news/os-trayvon-martin-federal-review-justice-letter-20120402_1_chief-bill-lee-federal-review-federal-agency


The media published Benjamin Crumps smeer campaign and made no attempt to verify any of the facts before publishing them. There has been an incredible bias against Zimmerman, and there's been a major rush to judgment, but the people that know the case best believe that George Zimmerman acted in self-defense because that is what all the evidence indicates.

Arresting George Zimmerman was a politically motivated action.
The suspect is always made out to look bad.
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I can't believe how stupid you are. Let me break this down in small words.

Manslaughter is when you kill someone. Murder is when you kill someone intentionally. Negligent homicide is when you kill someone on accident due to your negligence.

So killing someone, no matter what the circumstances, is a crime. There are some exceptions, but they only apply if you work for the government. Zimmerman clearly was not some undercover FBI agent looking to off some kid carrying around Skittles.

Zimmerman shot Trayvon. No one is disputing this.

So Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter. Stand Your Ground only alleviates arrest, not the conviction.
You don't think he intended to kill Treyvon?


The media has done a great disservice to everyone in their zeal to get the story out. Benjamin Crump, an attorney that works for Trayvon's family, has engaged in a campaign of misinformation meant to make George Zimmerman look bad.

Quote:
A lawyer for Trayvon Martin's family is asking the U.S. Department of Justice to review what he alleges was a meeting the night the 17-year-old was killed between Sanford's police chief and State Attorney Norm Wolfinger.

Benjamin Crump sent a formal request to the federal agency Monday, saying he believes Wolfinger and police Chief Bill Lee Jr. met Feb. 26 and overruled a homicide investigator's recommendation that George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter.

Monday afternoon, Wolfinger said there was no meeting and that the letter was based on "outright lies". He also denounced "those spreading … irresponsible rhetoric".

Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon during a fight that rainy Sunday evening. Zimmerman told police he had followed the teenager but turned back then acted in self-defense when Trayvon knocked him to the ground and began pounding Zimmerman's head on a sidewalk.

Zimmerman has not been arrested, and that has set off marches and rallies across the country by people, saying Trayvon was the victim of racial profiling and Zimmerman is being coddled by police.

The case is being investigated by a special prosecutor, and two weeks ago the U.S. Department of Justice launched a civil rights investigation.

Some news agencies have reported that Sanford's lead investigator, Chris Serino, wanted Zimmerman charged with manslaughter that night but Wolfinger's office put a stop to it. The city of Sanford issued a statement saying that is not true.

Police did that night prepare an incident report that lists "manslaughter" as the possible crime being investigated, but in every case in which an officer prepares an incident report, he or she fills in that spot with some crime and statute number to allow the agency to properly report crime statistics to the FBI.

Two weeks ago, during an exclusive interview with the Sentinel, Lee disclosed certain details of the investigation and during that session, attended by Serino and others, Serino said his investigation turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman's account – that he had acted in self-defense.

"The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event," Serino told the Sentinel March 16. "Everything I have is adding up to what he says."


In his letter Monday to Roy Austin, deputy assistant attorney general in the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, Crump wrote, "We look forward to your thorough and comprehensive review of the suspicious circumstances surrounding this meeting, and the decision to disregard the recommendation of the lead homicide investigator, Mr. Serino, who felt compelled to prepare an affidavit memorializing his recommendation to arrest the shooter George Zimmerman."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-02/news/os-trayvon-martin-federal-review-justice-letter-20120402_1_chief-bill-lee-federal-review-federal-agency


The media published Benjamin Crumps smeer campaign and made no attempt to verify any of the facts before publishing them. There has been an incredible bias against Zimmerman, and there's been a major rush to judgment, but the people that know the case best believe that George Zimmerman acted in self-defense because that is what all the evidence indicates.

Arresting George Zimmerman was a politically motivated action.
The suspect is always made out to look bad.


It's still wrong and immoral, and they have no business race-hustling and they seem to have forgotten that they have a moral obligation to try to verify their facts before putting out their vile fabrications. You assumed Zimmerman was guilty because of what the media has been saying, right?

But the fact is that all evidence points to Zimmerman being innocent. That's what the people that actually have all the evidence said, and that's more powerful then anything the media can say.



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I can't believe how stupid you are. Let me break this down in small words.

Manslaughter is when you kill someone. Murder is when you kill someone intentionally. Negligent homicide is when you kill someone on accident due to your negligence.

So killing someone, no matter what the circumstances, is a crime. There are some exceptions, but they only apply if you work for the government. Zimmerman clearly was not some undercover FBI agent looking to off some kid carrying around Skittles.

Zimmerman shot Trayvon. No one is disputing this.

So Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter. Stand Your Ground only alleviates arrest, not the conviction.
You don't think he intended to kill Treyvon?


The media has done a great disservice to everyone in their zeal to get the story out. Benjamin Crump, an attorney that works for Trayvon's family, has engaged in a campaign of misinformation meant to make George Zimmerman look bad.

Quote:
A lawyer for Trayvon Martin's family is asking the U.S. Department of Justice to review what he alleges was a meeting the night the 17-year-old was killed between Sanford's police chief and State Attorney Norm Wolfinger.

Benjamin Crump sent a formal request to the federal agency Monday, saying he believes Wolfinger and police Chief Bill Lee Jr. met Feb. 26 and overruled a homicide investigator's recommendation that George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter.

Monday afternoon, Wolfinger said there was no meeting and that the letter was based on "outright lies". He also denounced "those spreading … irresponsible rhetoric".

Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon during a fight that rainy Sunday evening. Zimmerman told police he had followed the teenager but turned back then acted in self-defense when Trayvon knocked him to the ground and began pounding Zimmerman's head on a sidewalk.

Zimmerman has not been arrested, and that has set off marches and rallies across the country by people, saying Trayvon was the victim of racial profiling and Zimmerman is being coddled by police.

The case is being investigated by a special prosecutor, and two weeks ago the U.S. Department of Justice launched a civil rights investigation.

Some news agencies have reported that Sanford's lead investigator, Chris Serino, wanted Zimmerman charged with manslaughter that night but Wolfinger's office put a stop to it. The city of Sanford issued a statement saying that is not true.

Police did that night prepare an incident report that lists "manslaughter" as the possible crime being investigated, but in every case in which an officer prepares an incident report, he or she fills in that spot with some crime and statute number to allow the agency to properly report crime statistics to the FBI.

Two weeks ago, during an exclusive interview with the Sentinel, Lee disclosed certain details of the investigation and during that session, attended by Serino and others, Serino said his investigation turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman's account – that he had acted in self-defense.

"The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event," Serino told the Sentinel March 16. "Everything I have is adding up to what he says."


In his letter Monday to Roy Austin, deputy assistant attorney general in the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, Crump wrote, "We look forward to your thorough and comprehensive review of the suspicious circumstances surrounding this meeting, and the decision to disregard the recommendation of the lead homicide investigator, Mr. Serino, who felt compelled to prepare an affidavit memorializing his recommendation to arrest the shooter George Zimmerman."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-02/news/os-trayvon-martin-federal-review-justice-letter-20120402_1_chief-bill-lee-federal-review-federal-agency


The media published Benjamin Crumps smeer campaign and made no attempt to verify any of the facts before publishing them. There has been an incredible bias against Zimmerman, and there's been a major rush to judgment, but the people that know the case best believe that George Zimmerman acted in self-defense because that is what all the evidence indicates.

Arresting George Zimmerman was a politically motivated action.
The suspect is always made out to look bad.


It's still wrong and immoral, and they have no business race-hustling and they seem to have forgotten that they have a moral obligation to try to verify their facts before putting out their vile fabrications. You assumed Zimmerman was guilty because of what the media has been saying, right?

But the fact is that all evidence points to Zimmerman being innocent. That's what the people that actually have all the evidence said, and that's more powerful then anything the media can say.



I wasn't aware the evidence pointed to the fact he was innocent. sweatdrop However, I haven't really been following the case.
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You don't think he intended to kill Treyvon?


The media has done a great disservice to everyone in their zeal to get the story out. Benjamin Crump, an attorney that works for Trayvon's family, has engaged in a campaign of misinformation meant to make George Zimmerman look bad.

Quote:
A lawyer for Trayvon Martin's family is asking the U.S. Department of Justice to review what he alleges was a meeting the night the 17-year-old was killed between Sanford's police chief and State Attorney Norm Wolfinger.

Benjamin Crump sent a formal request to the federal agency Monday, saying he believes Wolfinger and police Chief Bill Lee Jr. met Feb. 26 and overruled a homicide investigator's recommendation that George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter.

Monday afternoon, Wolfinger said there was no meeting and that the letter was based on "outright lies". He also denounced "those spreading … irresponsible rhetoric".

Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon during a fight that rainy Sunday evening. Zimmerman told police he had followed the teenager but turned back then acted in self-defense when Trayvon knocked him to the ground and began pounding Zimmerman's head on a sidewalk.

Zimmerman has not been arrested, and that has set off marches and rallies across the country by people, saying Trayvon was the victim of racial profiling and Zimmerman is being coddled by police.

The case is being investigated by a special prosecutor, and two weeks ago the U.S. Department of Justice launched a civil rights investigation.

Some news agencies have reported that Sanford's lead investigator, Chris Serino, wanted Zimmerman charged with manslaughter that night but Wolfinger's office put a stop to it. The city of Sanford issued a statement saying that is not true.

Police did that night prepare an incident report that lists "manslaughter" as the possible crime being investigated, but in every case in which an officer prepares an incident report, he or she fills in that spot with some crime and statute number to allow the agency to properly report crime statistics to the FBI.

Two weeks ago, during an exclusive interview with the Sentinel, Lee disclosed certain details of the investigation and during that session, attended by Serino and others, Serino said his investigation turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman's account – that he had acted in self-defense.

"The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event," Serino told the Sentinel March 16. "Everything I have is adding up to what he says."


In his letter Monday to Roy Austin, deputy assistant attorney general in the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, Crump wrote, "We look forward to your thorough and comprehensive review of the suspicious circumstances surrounding this meeting, and the decision to disregard the recommendation of the lead homicide investigator, Mr. Serino, who felt compelled to prepare an affidavit memorializing his recommendation to arrest the shooter George Zimmerman."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-02/news/os-trayvon-martin-federal-review-justice-letter-20120402_1_chief-bill-lee-federal-review-federal-agency


The media published Benjamin Crumps smeer campaign and made no attempt to verify any of the facts before publishing them. There has been an incredible bias against Zimmerman, and there's been a major rush to judgment, but the people that know the case best believe that George Zimmerman acted in self-defense because that is what all the evidence indicates.

Arresting George Zimmerman was a politically motivated action.
The suspect is always made out to look bad.


It's still wrong and immoral, and they have no business race-hustling and they seem to have forgotten that they have a moral obligation to try to verify their facts before putting out their vile fabrications. You assumed Zimmerman was guilty because of what the media has been saying, right?

But the fact is that all evidence points to Zimmerman being innocent. That's what the people that actually have all the evidence said, and that's more powerful then anything the media can say.



I wasn't aware the evidence pointed to the fact he was innocent. sweatdrop However, I haven't really been following the case.


Yup, much of the evidence hasn't been released, but Benjamin Crump, an Attorney for the family of Trayvon Martin has been releasing much of the accusations that the media is repeating over and over and over again and pounding them into people skulls, and people stupidly tend to trust the media. The people that do have ALL the real evidence, including the forensics and the autopsy results, have openly supported Zimmerman. The autopsy results were sealed by the family of Trayvon Martin, so there is no evidence there that hurts Zimmerman's case or anything.

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A lawyer for Trayvon Martin's family is asking the U.S. Department of Justice to review what he alleges was a meeting the night the 17-year-old was killed between Sanford's police chief and State Attorney Norm Wolfinger.

Benjamin Crump sent a formal request to the federal agency Monday, saying he believes Wolfinger and police Chief Bill Lee Jr. met Feb. 26 and overruled a homicide investigator's recommendation that George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter.

Monday afternoon, Wolfinger said there was no meeting and that the letter was based on "outright lies". He also denounced "those spreading … irresponsible rhetoric".

Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon during a fight that rainy Sunday evening. Zimmerman told police he had followed the teenager but turned back then acted in self-defense when Trayvon knocked him to the ground and began pounding Zimmerman's head on a sidewalk.

Zimmerman has not been arrested, and that has set off marches and rallies across the country by people, saying Trayvon was the victim of racial profiling and Zimmerman is being coddled by police.

The case is being investigated by a special prosecutor, and two weeks ago the U.S. Department of Justice launched a civil rights investigation.

Some news agencies have reported that Sanford's lead investigator, Chris Serino, wanted Zimmerman charged with manslaughter that night but Wolfinger's office put a stop to it. The city of Sanford issued a statement saying that is not true.

Police did that night prepare an incident report that lists "manslaughter" as the possible crime being investigated, but in every case in which an officer prepares an incident report, he or she fills in that spot with some crime and statute number to allow the agency to properly report crime statistics to the FBI.

Two weeks ago, during an exclusive interview with the Sentinel, Lee disclosed certain details of the investigation and during that session, attended by Serino and others, Serino said his investigation turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman's account – that he had acted in self-defense.

"The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event," Serino told the Sentinel March 16. "Everything I have is adding up to what he says."


In his letter Monday to Roy Austin, deputy assistant attorney general in the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, Crump wrote, "We look forward to your thorough and comprehensive review of the suspicious circumstances surrounding this meeting, and the decision to disregard the recommendation of the lead homicide investigator, Mr. Serino, who felt compelled to prepare an affidavit memorializing his recommendation to arrest the shooter George Zimmerman."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-02/news/os-trayvon-martin-federal-review-justice-letter-20120402_1_chief-bill-lee-federal-review-federal-agency

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