Ferguson, or: How I learned to stop caring and hate the law

Ferguson

Lawlessness rewarded (pro-Brown)	18.2%	[ 8 ]
Law in a lawful society (pro-Wilson)	38.6%	[ 17 ]
We're in the mo-ney... (pro-looter)	9.1%	[ 4 ]
Miscellany / Gold!	34.1%	[ 15 ]
Total Votes:			[ 44 ]

[Kaltros]

Dementia DarkMoon

It's all a load of s**t. Even the store owner said it wasn't him.

The store owner was trying to protect his life and property. Blacks don't like it when people report their criminal activities. You're just supposed to accept a certain level of crime and be grateful the blacks didn't murder you in cold blood, but instead just stole some cigars or something.

The store owner's denial didn't stop the blacks getting angry though. They burned down a QuikTrip and spray-painted 'Snitches Get Stitches' on the side.

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/11/quiktrip-sprayed-with-graffiti-set-on-fire-during-overnight-looting-near-ferguson/

[Kaltros]

Chahklet

Kaltros

Dementia DarkMoon

It's all a load of s**t. Even the store owner said it wasn't him.

The store owner was trying to protect his life and property. Blacks don't like it when people report their criminal activities. You're just supposed to accept a certain level of crime and be grateful the blacks didn't murder you in cold blood, but instead just stole some cigars or something.

The store owner's denial didn't stop the blacks getting angry though. They burned down a QuikTrip and spray-painted 'Snitches Get Stitches' on the side.

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/11/quiktrip-sprayed-with-graffiti-set-on-fire-during-overnight-looting-near-ferguson/

You're an idiot.

Ad hominem noted. Now why don't you address the information in my post?

[Keltoi Samurai]

Chahklet

Kaltros

Dementia DarkMoon

It's all a load of s**t. Even the store owner said it wasn't him.

The store owner was trying to protect his life and property. Blacks don't like it when people report their criminal activities. You're just supposed to accept a certain level of crime and be grateful the blacks didn't murder you in cold blood, but instead just stole some cigars or something.

The store owner's denial didn't stop the blacks getting angry though. They burned down a QuikTrip and spray-painted 'Snitches Get Stitches' on the side.

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/11/quiktrip-sprayed-with-graffiti-set-on-fire-during-overnight-looting-near-ferguson/

You're an idiot.

Idiot he may be, but there's some wisdom in there, buried under all that racism and idiocy.

I mean, in a town where convenience stores are burned to the ground in an effort to either smoke out or kill the employees hiding within, and ignoring his insistence on racialising what's clearly more of the kind of tribe mentality that allows us to bomb Afghani civilians with impunity, then get upset when they kill one of our rear-echelon "non-combat" troops ( just on a smaller scale, of course ), is it really a stretch to think that the whole "nope, that wasn't the guy, we never got robbed even and I don't know where that tape came from, but it wasn't from us" response might have been out of a hesitation to incur the particular gift of needlepoint that the locals promised to any who turn informant?

[Chahklet]

Keltoi Samurai

Chahklet

Kaltros

Dementia DarkMoon

It's all a load of s**t. Even the store owner said it wasn't him.

The store owner was trying to protect his life and property. Blacks don't like it when people report their criminal activities. You're just supposed to accept a certain level of crime and be grateful the blacks didn't murder you in cold blood, but instead just stole some cigars or something.

The store owner's denial didn't stop the blacks getting angry though. They burned down a QuikTrip and spray-painted 'Snitches Get Stitches' on the side.

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/11/quiktrip-sprayed-with-graffiti-set-on-fire-during-overnight-looting-near-ferguson/

You're an idiot.

Idiot he may be, but there's some wisdom in there, buried under all that racism and idiocy.

I mean, in a town where convenience stores are burned to the ground in an effort to either smoke out or kill the employees hiding within, and ignoring his insistence on racialising what's clearly more of the kind of tribe mentality that allows us to bomb Afghani civilians with impunity, then get upset when they kill one of our rear-echelon "non-combat" troops ( just on a smaller scale, of course ), is it really a stretch to think that the whole "nope, that wasn't the guy, we never got robbed even and I don't know where that tape came from, but it wasn't from us" response might have been out of a hesitation to incur the particular gift of needlepoint that the locals promised to any who turn informant?

I'm not jumping to conclusions either way. I posted specifically to call him an idiot. As far as Ferguson goes, that's why it would be good to have a trial. I'm really really leaning towards the officer's version.

[Saless]

Keltoi Samurai

Saless

Keltoi Samurai

Saless

Patton

And I'm willing to guess, neither will the official autopsy (either county or any future federal autopsy) explain anything to those who will not accept the result in the first place. Brown struggles for an officer's firearm inside the squad car, but it is inconceivable that he would also struggle for the weapon outside the car. I fully understand what would lead to that point of view.

Multiple videos (and witnesses testimonies) show he wasn't close enough to struggle for the weapon at the time he was shot. No matter what he did before that point, he was standing some distance away with his hands up, surrendering, when he was shot to death. That's what Wilson has to explain and has so far failed to do. What happened before that point isn't really important. Brown is already dead, so he's not going to go to trial for whatever he may or may not have done. Wilson's still here.

If he wasn't close enough to struggle, then how did his blood wind up in the front seat of the cruiser?

Further, how did he wind up with gunshot residue from the officer's weapon on him?

That's from the first time he was shot. The fatal shot happened a little later after he ran away. As I said, the initial confrontation is irrelevant because he had already run away, then put his hands up and surrendered, when he was fatally shot.

If that's what happened, then why is it that all the evidence, save for the "witness" who ran away after the first shot was fired and claims to have witnessed the whole thing despite putting his back to it, says that he wasn't shot with his hands up?

There's admittedly conflicting autopsy reports on that, but there are SEVERAL witnesses who agree to the hands up thing. From different angles. The 'official' autopsy report is being hailed as evidence against Brown but it really doesn't prove anything. The shot that supposedly 'proves' he didn't have his hands up was after the fatal shot to the head so he was probably falling over by then. So of course that shot won't fit the arms up position. He was already dead. razz

[Keltoi Samurai]

Chahklet

Keltoi Samurai

Chahklet

Kaltros

Dementia DarkMoon

It's all a load of s**t. Even the store owner said it wasn't him.

The store owner was trying to protect his life and property. Blacks don't like it when people report their criminal activities. You're just supposed to accept a certain level of crime and be grateful the blacks didn't murder you in cold blood, but instead just stole some cigars or something.

The store owner's denial didn't stop the blacks getting angry though. They burned down a QuikTrip and spray-painted 'Snitches Get Stitches' on the side.

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/11/quiktrip-sprayed-with-graffiti-set-on-fire-during-overnight-looting-near-ferguson/

You're an idiot.

Idiot he may be, but there's some wisdom in there, buried under all that racism and idiocy.

I mean, in a town where convenience stores are burned to the ground in an effort to either smoke out or kill the employees hiding within, and ignoring his insistence on racialising what's clearly more of the kind of tribe mentality that allows us to bomb Afghani civilians with impunity, then get upset when they kill one of our rear-echelon "non-combat" troops ( just on a smaller scale, of course ), is it really a stretch to think that the whole "nope, that wasn't the guy, we never got robbed even and I don't know where that tape came from, but it wasn't from us" response might have been out of a hesitation to incur the particular gift of needlepoint that the locals promised to any who turn informant?

I'm not jumping to conclusions either way. I posted specifically to call him an idiot. As far as Ferguson goes, that's why it would be good to have a trial. I'm really really leaning towards the officer's version.

Personally, I'm leaning toward "whether it was a good shoot or a bad shoot, he's a bad cop for failing to file an incident report for like a month and a half, and STILL hasn't written out an accompanying narrative."

I've always said that cops should be held to a higher standard than a private citizen, not a lower one, and for that reason, and the inherent shadiness of the coverup attempt ( regardless of whether or not what they were covering up was legit ), this officer and those who helped him in the coverup need to be dealt with ( In the courts, of course. I don't condone vigilante action . . . Though I find myself questioning my reluctance to it more and more anymore ).

[Chahklet]

Keltoi Samurai

Chahklet

Keltoi Samurai

Chahklet

Kaltros

Dementia DarkMoon

It's all a load of s**t. Even the store owner said it wasn't him.

The store owner was trying to protect his life and property. Blacks don't like it when people report their criminal activities. You're just supposed to accept a certain level of crime and be grateful the blacks didn't murder you in cold blood, but instead just stole some cigars or something.

The store owner's denial didn't stop the blacks getting angry though. They burned down a QuikTrip and spray-painted 'Snitches Get Stitches' on the side.

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/11/quiktrip-sprayed-with-graffiti-set-on-fire-during-overnight-looting-near-ferguson/

You're an idiot.

Idiot he may be, but there's some wisdom in there, buried under all that racism and idiocy.

I mean, in a town where convenience stores are burned to the ground in an effort to either smoke out or kill the employees hiding within, and ignoring his insistence on racialising what's clearly more of the kind of tribe mentality that allows us to bomb Afghani civilians with impunity, then get upset when they kill one of our rear-echelon "non-combat" troops ( just on a smaller scale, of course ), is it really a stretch to think that the whole "nope, that wasn't the guy, we never got robbed even and I don't know where that tape came from, but it wasn't from us" response might have been out of a hesitation to incur the particular gift of needlepoint that the locals promised to any who turn informant?

I'm not jumping to conclusions either way. I posted specifically to call him an idiot. As far as Ferguson goes, that's why it would be good to have a trial. I'm really really leaning towards the officer's version.

Personally, I'm leaning toward "whether it was a good shoot or a bad shoot, he's a bad cop for failing to file an incident report for like a month and a half, and STILL hasn't written out an accompanying narrative."

I've always said that cops should be held to a higher standard than a private citizen, not a lower one, and for that reason, and the inherent shadiness of the coverup attempt ( regardless of whether or not what they were covering up was legit ), this officer and those who helped him in the coverup need to be dealt with ( In the courts, of course. I don't condone vigilante action . . . Though I find myself questioning my reluctance to it more and more anymore ).

Maybe something like PTSD?

[Holidazed]

Faustine Liem

i watch that speech atleast once a month, always keeps me going.

[Kaltros]

Keltoi Samurai

Chahklet

Kaltros

Dementia DarkMoon

It's all a load of s**t. Even the store owner said it wasn't him.

The store owner was trying to protect his life and property. Blacks don't like it when people report their criminal activities. You're just supposed to accept a certain level of crime and be grateful the blacks didn't murder you in cold blood, but instead just stole some cigars or something.

The store owner's denial didn't stop the blacks getting angry though. They burned down a QuikTrip and spray-painted 'Snitches Get Stitches' on the side.

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/11/quiktrip-sprayed-with-graffiti-set-on-fire-during-overnight-looting-near-ferguson/

You're an idiot.

Idiot he may be, but there's some wisdom in there, buried under all that racism and idiocy.

I mean, in a town where convenience stores are burned to the ground in an effort to either smoke out or kill the employees hiding within, and ignoring his insistence on racialising what's clearly more of the kind of tribe mentality that allows us to bomb Afghani civilians with impunity, then get upset when they kill one of our rear-echelon "non-combat" troops ( just on a smaller scale, of course ), is it really a stretch to think that the whole "nope, that wasn't the guy, we never got robbed even and I don't know where that tape came from, but it wasn't from us" response might have been out of a hesitation to incur the particular gift of needlepoint that the locals promised to any who turn informant?

What do you mean, racializing? It's describing things that happened. It wasn't some vague, generic mob of robots that rioted in Ferguson, looted stores, left the graffiti against snitches, and so forth. It was mostly blacks. The media has made a big deal of Ferguson's demographics: 67 percent black.

Things are getting pretty ridiculous when it's frowned upon to describe events as they happened.

[Keltoi Samurai]

Kaltros

Keltoi Samurai

Chahklet

Kaltros

Dementia DarkMoon

It's all a load of s**t. Even the store owner said it wasn't him.

The store owner was trying to protect his life and property. Blacks don't like it when people report their criminal activities. You're just supposed to accept a certain level of crime and be grateful the blacks didn't murder you in cold blood, but instead just stole some cigars or something.

The store owner's denial didn't stop the blacks getting angry though. They burned down a QuikTrip and spray-painted 'Snitches Get Stitches' on the side.

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/11/quiktrip-sprayed-with-graffiti-set-on-fire-during-overnight-looting-near-ferguson/

You're an idiot.

Idiot he may be, but there's some wisdom in there, buried under all that racism and idiocy.

I mean, in a town where convenience stores are burned to the ground in an effort to either smoke out or kill the employees hiding within, and ignoring his insistence on racialising what's clearly more of the kind of tribe mentality that allows us to bomb Afghani civilians with impunity, then get upset when they kill one of our rear-echelon "non-combat" troops ( just on a smaller scale, of course ), is it really a stretch to think that the whole "nope, that wasn't the guy, we never got robbed even and I don't know where that tape came from, but it wasn't from us" response might have been out of a hesitation to incur the particular gift of needlepoint that the locals promised to any who turn informant?

What do you mean, racializing? It's describing things that happened. It wasn't some vague, generic mob of robots that rioted in Ferguson, looted stores, left the graffiti against snitches, and so forth. It was mostly blacks. The media has made a big deal of Ferguson's demographics: 67 percent black.

Things are getting pretty ridiculous when it's frowned upon to describe events as they happened.

You, racialising this

Blacks don't like it when people report their criminal activities. You're just supposed to accept a certain level of crime and be grateful the blacks didn't murder you in cold blood

The problem witht he above, in case you're not certain, is that it's a very general statement being applied to a very specific situation.

In case you're wondering, though, it's not just black communities that have this attitude. Poor communities have this issue of criminal types taking the attitudes you ascribe to "blacks."

Now, yes, in this incident, the people involved were black, but they weren't behaving in a manner consistent with black people ( as you insinuated with your word choice here ), they were behaving in a way consistent with criminals and communities in poverty.

[Kaltros]

Keltoi Samurai

Kaltros

Keltoi Samurai

Chahklet

Kaltros

The store owner was trying to protect his life and property. Blacks don't like it when people report their criminal activities. You're just supposed to accept a certain level of crime and be grateful the blacks didn't murder you in cold blood, but instead just stole some cigars or something.

The store owner's denial didn't stop the blacks getting angry though. They burned down a QuikTrip and spray-painted 'Snitches Get Stitches' on the side.

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/11/quiktrip-sprayed-with-graffiti-set-on-fire-during-overnight-looting-near-ferguson/

You're an idiot.

Idiot he may be, but there's some wisdom in there, buried under all that racism and idiocy.

I mean, in a town where convenience stores are burned to the ground in an effort to either smoke out or kill the employees hiding within, and ignoring his insistence on racialising what's clearly more of the kind of tribe mentality that allows us to bomb Afghani civilians with impunity, then get upset when they kill one of our rear-echelon "non-combat" troops ( just on a smaller scale, of course ), is it really a stretch to think that the whole "nope, that wasn't the guy, we never got robbed even and I don't know where that tape came from, but it wasn't from us" response might have been out of a hesitation to incur the particular gift of needlepoint that the locals promised to any who turn informant?

What do you mean, racializing? It's describing things that happened. It wasn't some vague, generic mob of robots that rioted in Ferguson, looted stores, left the graffiti against snitches, and so forth. It was mostly blacks. The media has made a big deal of Ferguson's demographics: 67 percent black.

Things are getting pretty ridiculous when it's frowned upon to describe events as they happened.

You, racialising this

Blacks don't like it when people report their criminal activities. You're just supposed to accept a certain level of crime and be grateful the blacks didn't murder you in cold blood

The problem witht he above, in case you're not certain, is that it's a very general statement being applied to a very specific situation.

In case you're wondering, though, it's not just black communities that have this attitude. Poor communities have this issue of criminal types taking the attitudes you ascribe to "blacks."

Now, yes, in this incident, the people involved were black, but they weren't behaving in a manner consistent with black people ( as you insinuated with your word choice here ), they were behaving in a way consistent with criminals and communities in poverty.

However, people like Captain Ron Johnson, appointed to oversee things in Ferguson, and Attorney General Eric Holder walked the streets with the rioters, in solidarity. There's this great photograph of Capt. Johnson walking along, with a Bloods gang member just behind him. I don't think we could say either Chief Johnson or Eric Holder are in poverty. You might be able to argue Eric Holder is a criminal, though.

[Keltoi Samurai]

Kaltros

Keltoi Samurai

Kaltros

Keltoi Samurai

Chahklet

You're an idiot.

Idiot he may be, but there's some wisdom in there, buried under all that racism and idiocy.

I mean, in a town where convenience stores are burned to the ground in an effort to either smoke out or kill the employees hiding within, and ignoring his insistence on racialising what's clearly more of the kind of tribe mentality that allows us to bomb Afghani civilians with impunity, then get upset when they kill one of our rear-echelon "non-combat" troops ( just on a smaller scale, of course ), is it really a stretch to think that the whole "nope, that wasn't the guy, we never got robbed even and I don't know where that tape came from, but it wasn't from us" response might have been out of a hesitation to incur the particular gift of needlepoint that the locals promised to any who turn informant?

What do you mean, racializing? It's describing things that happened. It wasn't some vague, generic mob of robots that rioted in Ferguson, looted stores, left the graffiti against snitches, and so forth. It was mostly blacks. The media has made a big deal of Ferguson's demographics: 67 percent black.

Things are getting pretty ridiculous when it's frowned upon to describe events as they happened.

You, racialising this

Blacks don't like it when people report their criminal activities. You're just supposed to accept a certain level of crime and be grateful the blacks didn't murder you in cold blood

The problem witht he above, in case you're not certain, is that it's a very general statement being applied to a very specific situation.

In case you're wondering, though, it's not just black communities that have this attitude. Poor communities have this issue of criminal types taking the attitudes you ascribe to "blacks."

Now, yes, in this incident, the people involved were black, but they weren't behaving in a manner consistent with black people ( as you insinuated with your word choice here ), they were behaving in a way consistent with criminals and communities in poverty.

However, people like Captain Ron Johnson, appointed to oversee things in Ferguson, and Attorney General Eric Holder walked the streets with the rioters, in solidarity. There's this great photograph of Capt. Johnson walking along, with a Bloods gang member just behind him. I don't think we could say either Chief Johnson or Eric Holder are in poverty. You might be able to argue Eric Holder is a criminal, though.

Yes, they did. They took the sides of the rioters, a group that were largely either criminally minded, or impoverished and sick of being shat on by a system designed to s**t on the impoverished, or both ( it's not uncommon for those whom the system has turned on to likewise turn on the system as well ), and as a result, the rioters accepted them as one of them.

See, when you are advocating for someone else's cause, saying "seriously, listen to what these people have to say," then only hardcore racist Liberals and religious zealots are going to rebuke you as harshly as they do those they call their enemy. These are concepts that exist well outside of the confines of race.

[purrfukt]

Soon it was trees and dark, my brothers...

Here are some pictures of the "gentle giant" himself...





And heres the robbery video that has been confirmed that it is indeed him his friend even admitted that it was them.



He was a gangster thug. Period. End of story.

So I'll just leave this here for your thoughts.

...with real contry dark.

[I AM R U]

Keltoi Samurai

Misty Moonsilver

None of us can be sure what happened for sure. BUT Mike Brown did rob a store and rough the guy up. BUT Did the officer need to shot Mike THAT many times? I hate that this guy lost his life but both parties are at fault to some degree.

The number of shots is immaterial, as is shot placement ( in case you start trying to argue the age-old "if he was really in fear for his life, why didn't he try an Annie Oakley trick shot with one off of two surfaces and into the hand, elbow and both knees of the assailant, thus disabling him without killing him?" Turns out that things you see in movies aren't always practical in the real world, don't cha know? ).

America is a weird place, for someone who comes from a country where this police officer would be the subject of an inquiry, and suspended until the issue was cleared up - as well as the fact that police here are actually trained to not shot to kill on first instance, but to instead issue a warning shot being aiming for a knee, shoulder etc (although granted, it depends how close the perp is to the officer, so in this case it may not apply, but in general it is encouraged not to kill the offender - certainly any evidence that the offender was surrendering or even running away and was killed would result in some serious action from the force...)

[quoteWhat is worth inquiring about is the officer's lack of doing actual policework after the fact.

100% yes. No matter what, the real bungling of this case is the way it was mismanaged from start to finish, in terms of failing to do paperwork, failing to react appropriately, failing to investigate appropriately... At every turn the police here have proven themselves incompetent :/