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Chinese authorities have banned women in Urumqi, the capital city of Xinjiang—an autonomous western region where Muslims account for almost half of the population—from wearing burqas in public, according to a brief article on a government-run website, Tianshan News. Local legislators for Urumqi proposed the ban in December, and now the regional legislature has approved it.
It’s not clear when the ban on 蒙面罩袍, literally “face-masking robes” will go into effect. State media said only that it will be implemented after being modified to meet comments proposed in a meeting over the weekend.

What is clear, though, is that moves like these are likely to further alienate an already disenchanted minority group—the Uighurs, who feel their culture and economy is being overrun by Han Chinese. Ever since a group of Uighur Muslims went on a killing spree in a train station in Kunming last March, Chinese officials have ratcheted up restrictions on a group they see as potential extremists. Xinjiang officials later banned students and civil servants from fasting for Ramadan, and authorities in the Xinjiang city of Karamy barred anyone wearing burqas, niqabs, hijabs or simply “large beards” from taking public buses.

Despite—or as a result of—these measures, attacks and clashes involving Uighurs have only increased. Today, police in Shule county, near Kashgar, shot dead six attackers who were allegedly trying to detonate a series of explosives. Militants attacked police, residents, and officials in Shache county in August, leaving almost 100 dead.

The state-run news agency Xinhua justified the burqa ban by pointing out that burqas are also banned in France (perhaps not the best example to use, given the recent extremist attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo). The Xinhua report in English said, “Burqas are not traditional dress for Uighur women… The regulation is seen as an effort to curb growing extremism that forced Uighur women to abandon their colorful traditional dress and wear black burqas.”

But as long as Chinese officials tell residents they will be safer if religious expressions are kept to a minimum, these measures are likely to continue. Zhang Haitao, an activist based in Urumqi, told Radio Free Asia, “You can’t deprive the freedom of a small portion of people to maintain the stability of the society. But here, for a long time, the authorities have been kidnapping public opinion in the name of stability.”
Disgustingly authoritarian.
Burkas ARE a symbol of extremism though. There is no islamic requirement for muslim women to wear them. Banning the hijab is a little bit extreme though.

But saying the burka should be protected is the equivalent of saying dressing like the KKK is freedom of religious expression.

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Burkas ARE a symbol of extremism though. There is no islamic requirement for muslim women to wear them. Banning the hijab is a little bit extreme though.

But saying the burka should be protected is the equivalent of saying dressing like the KKK is freedom of religious expression.

Uhm.
Not really? What if she wants to wear a burka?
So is it not okay for nuns to wear their head wrap or whatever?

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Burkas ARE a symbol of extremism though. There is no islamic requirement for muslim women to wear them. Banning the hijab is a little bit extreme though.

But saying the burka should be protected is the equivalent of saying dressing like the KKK is freedom of religious expression.
Not true, Haredi Jewish women have taken up wearing Burka's as a symbol of modesty and religious faith. Modern Islam in first world countries follow suit with this mindset, though not incredibly common as more don the Niqab or Hijab.

The only reason why it's being outlawed is because it looks "Muslim". That's it. Letting something like this pass through opens the floodgates to more restrictions against other forms like the Niqab and Hijab, the later of which is incredibly common even for 1st world Muslims. Not to mention it comes off as incredibly authoritarian; if someone is wearing a religious garb of their own free will, then what's the ******** problem?

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Burkas ARE a symbol of extremism though. There is no islamic requirement for muslim women to wear them. Banning the hijab is a little bit extreme though.

But saying the burka should be protected is the equivalent of saying dressing like the KKK is freedom of religious expression.
Not true, Haredi Jewish women have taken up wearing Burka's as a symbol of modesty and religious faith. Modern Islam in first world countries follow suit with this mindset, though not incredibly common as more don the Niqab or Hijab.

The only reason why it's being outlawed is because it looks "Muslim". That's it. Letting something like this pass through opens the floodgates to more restrictions against other forms like the Niqab and Hijab, the later of which is incredibly common even for 1st world Muslims. Not to mention it comes off as incredibly authoritarian; if someone is wearing a religious garb of their own free will, then what's the ******** problem?

If China, a communist government, wants to restrict the clothing of their population per their perfectly legal powers, what's the ******** problem?

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Really, its not a good idea to limit something like this from someone’s religion. I think China is making a mistake , as they’re punishing people with no connection to the terrorism.
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Burkas ARE a symbol of extremism though. There is no islamic requirement for muslim women to wear them. Banning the hijab is a little bit extreme though.

But saying the burka should be protected is the equivalent of saying dressing like the KKK is freedom of religious expression.

Uhm.
Not really? What if she wants to wear a burka?
So is it not okay for nuns to wear their head wrap or whatever?
Nuns don't cover their faces. And no, I don't think concealing your identity from others should be allowed.


Seriously, why is this vilified:
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And this is not:
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These are examples of extremism - not moderate examples of religious freedom. Extremism should not be protected.

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Bzzztt
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Burkas ARE a symbol of extremism though. There is no islamic requirement for muslim women to wear them. Banning the hijab is a little bit extreme though.

But saying the burka should be protected is the equivalent of saying dressing like the KKK is freedom of religious expression.

Uhm.
Not really? What if she wants to wear a burka?
So is it not okay for nuns to wear their head wrap or whatever?
Nuns don't cover their faces. And no, I don't think concealing your identity from others should be allowed.


Seriously, why is this vilified:
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And this is not:
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These are examples of extremism - not moderate examples of religious freedom. Extremism should not be protected.

Uh, when was the burka not allowed in america?
And don't the KKK hate the Chinese?
And you're not being forced to wear it, they're choosing to wear it. I don't see the problem with people making their own life choices. confused
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Burkas ARE a symbol of extremism though. There is no islamic requirement for muslim women to wear them. Banning the hijab is a little bit extreme though.

But saying the burka should be protected is the equivalent of saying dressing like the KKK is freedom of religious expression.
Not true, Haredi Jewish women have taken up wearing Burka's ?
You shouldn't be surprised when extremist groups take up extremist symbols. rolleyes

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Burkas ARE a symbol of extremism though. There is no islamic requirement for muslim women to wear them. Banning the hijab is a little bit extreme though.

But saying the burka should be protected is the equivalent of saying dressing like the KKK is freedom of religious expression.

Uhm.
Not really? What if she wants to wear a burka?
So is it not okay for nuns to wear their head wrap or whatever?
Nuns don't cover their faces. And no, I don't think concealing your identity from others should be allowed.


Seriously, why is this vilified:
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And this is not:
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These are examples of extremism - not moderate examples of religious freedom. Extremism should not be protected.
One's a symbol of a hate group and the other is a symbol of religious modesty.

They literally have nothing in common.
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Bzzztt
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Burkas ARE a symbol of extremism though. There is no islamic requirement for muslim women to wear them. Banning the hijab is a little bit extreme though.

But saying the burka should be protected is the equivalent of saying dressing like the KKK is freedom of religious expression.

Uhm.
Not really? What if she wants to wear a burka?
So is it not okay for nuns to wear their head wrap or whatever?
Nuns don't cover their faces. And no, I don't think concealing your identity from others should be allowed.


Seriously, why is this vilified:
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And this is not:
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These are examples of extremism - not moderate examples of religious freedom. Extremism should not be protected.
One's a symbol of an extremist religious hate group and the other is a symbol of religious extremism and hatred of women.

They literally have nothing everything in common.
Fixed that for you.

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One was formed as a direct result of the outcome of the civil war and the other shares roots with Christianity.

Willful ignorance and blind hate isn't healthy.

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Hmm what if this was part of a grand plot to force Muslims to leave and go to the Middle East? Think about it. How do you get rid of guests you don't want? Make them feel as uncomfortable as possible. Make them regret being in your territory. They'll have to leave eventually to find a place that wants them.

Not something I approve of by the way. (before some of you vultures come after me)

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Hmm what if this was part of a grand plot to force Muslims to leave and go to the Middle East? Think about it. How do you get rid of guests you don't want? Make them feel as uncomfortable as possible. Make them regret being in your territory. They'll have to leave eventually to find a place that wants them.

Not something I approve of by the way. (before some of you vultures come after me)
That's pretty much what all this sounds like.

People are conveniently glossing over the fact that a lot of these Muslims were born here, so it's pretty stupid to tell them to "Go home if you don't like it" when they're already living in their home country.

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Hmm what if this was part of a grand plot to force Muslims to leave and go to the Middle East? Think about it. How do you get rid of guests you don't want? Make them feel as uncomfortable as possible. Make them regret being in your territory. They'll have to leave eventually to find a place that wants them.

Not something I approve of by the way. (before some of you vultures come after me)
That's pretty much what all this sounds like.

People are conveniently glossing over the fact that a lot of these Muslims were born here, so it's pretty stupid to tell them to "Go home if you don't like it" when they're already living in their home country.

Agreed. Ultimately there's no difference between those terrorists who killed those people and the people in favor of laws like this. Same goal, different method.

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