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Okay, yet another one that needs to be...


made into a female

and let me ask

how does a child that young (young enough to clutch a teddy bear and be told some nonsense about "getting rid of evil" ) lie about something like that? And I am not talking about any possibility of parents telling the kid what to say. I am talking about a legitimate occurrence.


Nothing is proven he's on trial!


Either case both stories need to be looked into, because if he didn't do anything (Which I seriously doubt he didn't) then chances are someone else is. No child would lie about this unless they knew what was happening.

If that's the case? Then there is abuse at home. But I honestly doubt this man.


1) One of the girls accusing him is 17 so hardly a child.

2) A child would lie about anything if they're asked/told to by a parent.

3) Why is nobody addressing my question about why wait so long to accuse him?
In this forum, anyone in their teens is considered a child and can (almost) never do wrong and even if they do somehow commit a minor infraction such as murder should not be held accountable for their actions because "they're just kids!" rolleyes

Kids will often lie without any help or encouragement from their parents.

I wonder that myself.
Oh I see how it works now if a teen girl or guy rapes somebody this forum auto lets it be right since they're kids.

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Why are you jumping on the bandwagon that he raped her, and is guilty of it, just because he was accused?


"Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wagh’nagl fhtagn."
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Why are you jumping on the bandwagon that he raped her, and is guilty of it, just because he was accused?


"Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wagh’nagl fhtagn."

Because it's really easy to be a sheep for him/her, than to be a vanguard and lead the way!

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Okay, yet another one that needs to be...


made into a female

and let me ask

how does a child that young (young enough to clutch a teddy bear and be told some nonsense about "getting rid of evil" ) lie about something like that? And I am not talking about any possibility of parents telling the kid what to say. I am talking about a legitimate occurrence.


Nothing is proven he's on trial!


Looking forward to if he is convicted. IF he is convicted but guilty.
How many rapists get off? More than you think.

But say he is guilty (and I don't give a s**t if he is an actor). Whether he is convicted or not, my comment stands.

Just saying.
(pissed about the other article)

Do certainly hope that if he is guilty, the parents had enough where-with-all to get the physical evidence.

It's really sad how many rapists get away, and how many innocent men get put away on a false accusation.

If this guy's proven (not found) guilty, I hope he gets capital punishment.

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Why are you jumping on the bandwagon that he raped her, and is guilty of it, just because he was accused?


"Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wagh’nagl fhtagn."
Obviously it's because kids apparently can't lie about such things.

As for the article, if this is in fact real, this is very sick, and if this is in fact a lie, that is also very sick. Here's to hoping that the truth can come out so that whoever did what can get their punishment and not get away with anything, and this applied for both cases. It baffles me how people can say kids don;t lie about certain things, honestly they really underestimate kids these days.

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Yes to all the comments that being accused of something ugly does not automatically make you guilty of it.
Kind of ironic that when it does happen to be a fabricated the story the grander the fabrication the quicker the public is to want to hang the accused without the benefit of a trial.


What about the comments of how people who accuse celebrities of any crime are making things up because they want their money? Or that if there is no hard evidence of a rape, then the accuser is a liar? There's an awful lot of victim shaming too. It's why too many people don't try to bring rapists to justice.

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I'm in no way shape or form advocating the rape of any woman, child or man however you are all making him sound guilty without seeing a single shred of evidence to say he was even in the area, house, accusee's room. You are also forgetting 3 key points.

Point 1: Mr Le Vell is constantly on the television in a popular soap so it's not rocket science to work out he's quite wealthy and has ample money.

Point 2: It seems rather odd that the first case which allegedly happened in 2001 and the second case which allegedly took place in 2010/2011 wasn't reported till this year when both children are mature enough to know that money could be earned from this!

Point 3: He has yet to be found guilty by a jury of his peers which is biased since they're mostly women, also at point of writing most of your comments you're breaking a law or two yourself.


Lots of children don't report the abuse until they're older, simply because they're afraid. There's a man in my area who was just convicted of sexually abusing at least seventeen children (and producing porn of them, and a slew of other charges) over a twelve year period. No one had come forward until fairly recently, because most of these kids were from broken homes with parents who didn't give two shits about them. They were vulnerable, and he took advantage of that, for years.

A lot of the kids in the case in my area didn't come forward until a few children came forward, simply because they felt like they would get in trouble if they told, or because they felt alone.

One child even came forward, a few years ago, but his parents didn't believe him. So he went to the police. But, because this man was a pillar of the community, they didn't believe him either. And so, the abuse continued.

There were even some women that came forward, around the time of the trial, to talk about abuse in general. One woman had been abused as a child and hadn't told anyone for over 30 years, simply because she felt ashamed.

It's disturbingly common how many sexual assaults against children go unreported entirely, let alone those that go years without revealing the abuse.

I'm not saying he's definitely guilty, but when a child says that someone has been touching them, you always ALWAYS have to look into it. The risk of not doing so is far too great.
I'll reserve judgement until a verdicts given. Are all these historic cases going to turn out a guilty verdict?

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don't know who to believe. this story just made me shudder emotion_donotwant

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Yes to all the comments that being accused of something ugly does not automatically make you guilty of it.
Kind of ironic that when it does happen to be a fabricated the story the grander the fabrication the quicker the public is to want to hang the accused without the benefit of a trial.


What about the comments of how people who accuse celebrities of any crime are making things up because they want their money? Or that if there is no hard evidence of a rape, then the accuser is a liar? There's an awful lot of victim shaming too. It's why too many people don't try to bring rapists to justice.


There is some of that for sure but on the whole if the accusation is "you raped a kid" or "were cuel to an animal" the hatemongers come out in droves. Adult on adult rape charges a little bit less so. Adults sometimes lie for .. money, revenge, covering something up etc. Kids sometimes lie too but the public assumes they do not in spite of many cases to the contrary.

Victim shaming is rampant in some countries but what I see more of in the US is false claims of it.
If there is ANY mention of the victim putting him/herself (usually herself) in an unnecessarily risky situation and anyone points that out people come out of the woodwork blaming them for 'victim shaming' and 'being pro rape' and all sorts of nasty stuff. Even if the stuff they say is the same stuff a rape prevention counseling center would advise women to do / not do to minimize their risk. You can't even verbalize common sense without some folks claiming you are a hater and blaming the victim and defending the rapist and blah blah. It isn't true victim shaming to obverse the facts.

Frankly it usually goes like this...
Man accused of something horrible - people jump on the hate train before the facts are even in and assume if he is saying he didn't do it there is no way he is being truthful.
Woman claims something bad happened to her - people jump on the hate train if you even hint there is a possibility she is not being truthful. Also true if woman is accused of doing something wrong - people tend to believe she was somehow victimized - unless she is accused of doing something bad to a child. Child usually trumps woman when it comes to internet folks defending without facts. Male is usually on the bottom of that chain of who gets supported. , It tends to go child, woman, animals (especially cute ones), then men.
Izzy there is waiting a few years then there is waiting till you know somebody has cash.

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I doubt it since his accuser waited over 5 year maybe longer to accuse mr Le vell.

You are not serious about that comment are you? Do you have any idea of how many child hood rapes go unreported or even talked about until adulthood?

http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/03/08/how-long-too-long-report-rape
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I doubt it since his accuser waited over 5 year maybe longer to accuse mr Le vell.


You are not serious about that comment are you? Do you have any idea of how many child hood rapes go unreported or even talked about until adulthood?

http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/03/08/how-long-too-long-report-rape

I see, I see you're one of those he's been accused of it must be true people.

Explain to me then why when cross examined by mr Le vell's lawyer did the young womans story start to change in small details?

Also you've not answered why did she wait till she knew he was famous?

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I see, I see you're one of those he's been accused of it must be true people.

Explain to me then why when cross examined by mr Le vell's lawyer did the young womans story start to change in small details?

Also you've not answered why did she wait till she knew he was famous?


Yah know what no. I have no opinions on this case what so ever. I have found myself waiting for theverdic. We all know what happened in MJ's case and we see a repeat with other famous people. SO I have no opinion. My question wasn't about all that though.

My question was specifically aimed at you asking why wait five years or longer.

I'll ask again. Specifically to that statement and that statement alone, are you serious about that?

I know I can not do anything to you over the internet and I wouldn't if I knew you in real life, but it would still be wise of you to think that question out very carefully and get back with a very wise answer.

And no. I am not one of those people. You made an assumption based on a statement I asked on a specific quote. I don't care about the case. I want an answer on that quote right there. Are you seriously serious about that?

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