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As opposed to a private corporation having control to that 1/6th of our economy? If the government gets that money, it will go back into America the same as what they get from Taxes. If the Private Insurance Industry continues to hold onto that money and spend it on their CEOs, the economy will continue to decline.

whoa, that raised a red flag! to all things there must be balance. private business is important for amarica to keep its edge. i'm sure you didn't mean it that way, but what you said does sound like an extreme form of communism that leads to a decline of quality. keep in mind that said CEOs are part of the country too, and when they spend money, it ALSO goes back into the community.
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People, I am not Glenn Beck. I don't have the same opinion as he does. We have similar views, yes. But I am not Glenn Beck.

Yes it is payed from our pockets. But I would like to choose and not be government controlled. I don't trust them with my life.

My family now has to pay three times as much as we did before. Yes...sounds cheaper, right? Not really.


So you're pro-choice then? Well that's good! =D
I thought that we weren't talking anymore?

Well I think that those who want the Health care that Obama is proposing, should take it. Let the government regulate them. Just leave me out of it.

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beck, i did watch your video, or at least the first 2/3s of it. i've noticed that what you seem to want is anarchy. the total freedome you seem to desire also has a price.

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People, I am not Glenn Beck. I don't have the same opinion as he does. We have similar views, yes. But I am not Glenn Beck.

Yes it is payed from our pockets. But I would like to choose and not be government controlled. I don't trust them with my life.

My family now has to pay three times as much as we did before. Yes...sounds cheaper, right? Not really.


So you're pro-choice then? Well that's good! =D
I thought that we weren't talking anymore?

Well I think that those who want the Health care that Obama is proposing, should take it. Let the government regulate them. Just leave me out of it.


Ah, you said we weren't talking anymore. I said I wouldn't be able to take you very seriously. However, you're not rude or annoying, and your arguments make sense in a fundamental way, I guess.

So...why has your family's pre-existing health care plan been jacked up so much? I'm just curious about that. You seem to know a lot about the subject. Are you -actually- paying more -right- now, or is that just in the near future that you'll be paying that much?
demonjack00
beck, i did watch your video, or at least the first 2/3s of it. i've noticed that what you seem to want is anarchy. the total freedome you seem to desire also has a price.
Nope, anarchy is destruction. I am a conservative. The government should do their job. Defend the country. Not boss everyone around like they are God. God gives us rights. Not the government. But for those who choose this thing. They can be regulated by the government. I want no part in it. I want only the rights that God gave me.

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Dr Parody
All is which run by state. Not fed gov.

I'm pretty sure there's no lower limit on what form of government can be classified as "socialist."

Still, there's plenty of things, like interstate roadways and the military which are federally-run and might be considered "socialist", at least by the definitions of the Right.


The military is protecting the country. That's the Government's job. To protect. Taking more money out the citizens pockets to spoon feed the "sick and helpless" is not protecting the country.

Isn't this same idea with socialized health care failing in other countries such a Canada?
Correct me if I'm mistaken.


Socialized health care isn't failing due to the reasons that are being claimed. Those countries simply just don't provide enough Health Care Workers to manage the immense demand, therefore people are still not receiving the care they need. Nothing can fix that save people getting an education to get a medical career. It's not an economical crisis, it's a career shortage.


Alright. I'll be sure to look farther into that. Thank you.
Violinetta Harmonium
Ah, you said we weren't talking anymore. I said I wouldn't be able to take you very seriously. However, you're not rude or annoying, and your arguments make sense in a fundamental way, I guess.

So...why has your family's pre-existing health care plan been jacked up so much? I'm just curious about that. You seem to know a lot about the subject. Are you -actually- paying more -right- now, or is that just in the near future that you'll be paying that much?


True, but I said that because I thought that you wouldn't listen to anything that I had to say...and thanks?

My dad did the calculations, based on numbers that his bosses have been giving him, on what his insurance will cost, once this thing kicks in. So not now, but later.

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demonjack00
beck, i did watch your video, or at least the first 2/3s of it. i've noticed that what you seem to want is anarchy. the total freedome you seem to desire also has a price.
Nope, anarchy is destruction. I am a conservative. The government should do their job. Defend the country. Not boss everyone around like they are God. God gives us rights. Not the government. But for those who choose this thing. They can be regulated by the government. I want no part in it. I want only the rights that God gave me.


LOL! did YOU watch your video? it proposes the total downfall of the government! that's practicly the DEFINITION of anarchy!!
As for rights, the GOVERNMENT gives you those rights! look outside of your own country! no everyone has equal rights! you have the right to an attourny. you have the right to bear arms! you know who doles out those rights? clearly not god, or the world would be a much safer place! no, without the government, or SOME form of community, there would be nothing to stop me from walking into your house and killing you and living in your house while i used your corpse as a thow rug.
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All is which run by state. Not fed gov.

I'm pretty sure there's no lower limit on what form of government can be classified as "socialist."

Still, there's plenty of things, like interstate roadways and the military which are federally-run and might be considered "socialist", at least by the definitions of the Right.


The military is protecting the country. That's the Government's job. To protect. Taking more money out the citizens pockets to spoon feed the "sick and helpless" is not protecting the country.

Isn't this same idea with socialized health care failing in other countries such a Canada?
Correct me if I'm mistaken.


How is keeping people healthy so that they can work and contribute to the country's economy not protecting the country? It may not be protecting it from terrorists but it's still protecting the country's way of life.

And how is it "spoon feeding" to help people who work hard and simply can't afford to take care of their basic medical needs? I go to work like most people do, and I can't afford health insurance despite the fact I could use it. I simply don't make enough at my job and with things the way they are I can't afford to try and look for a better job any time soon. I'm stuck where I am, with no insurance. Why should I have to work hard and still have my health suffer just because my employers are evil? Why should I not be able to get a hand in taking care of myself so that maybe I can be a better person and a better worker later on?
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demonjack00
beck, i did watch your video, or at least the first 2/3s of it. i've noticed that what you seem to want is anarchy. the total freedome you seem to desire also has a price.
Nope, anarchy is destruction. I am a conservative. The government should do their job. Defend the country. Not boss everyone around like they are God. God gives us rights. Not the government. But for those who choose this thing. They can be regulated by the government. I want no part in it. I want only the rights that God gave me.


LOL! did YOU watch your video? it proposes the total downfall of the government! that's practicly the DEFINITION of anarchy!!
As for rights, the GOVERNMENT gives you those rights! look outside of your own country! no everyone has equal rights! you have the right to an attourny. you have the right to bear arms! you know who doles out those rights? clearly not god, or the world would be a much safer place! no, without the government, or SOME form of community, there would be nothing to stop me from walking into your house and killing you and living in your house while i used your corpse as a thow rug.


My opinion is that the constitution was inspired by God. I would like to follow the original.

And do you honestly know what he meant? He wants to shut our system down, to bring in a new one, called communism. How does communism and anarchy sound like the same thing?
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As opposed to a private corporation having control to that 1/6th of our economy? If the government gets that money, it will go back into America the same as what they get from Taxes. If the Private Insurance Industry continues to hold onto that money and spend it on their CEOs, the economy will continue to decline.

whoa, that raised a red flag! to all things there must be balance. private business is important for amarica to keep its edge. i'm sure you didn't mean it that way, but what you said does sound like an extreme form of communism that leads to a decline of quality. keep in mind that said CEOs are part of the country too, and when they spend money, it ALSO goes back into the community.


Actually, it's not. If you actually bothered to get any of the factual information on the healthcare reform bill, you'd realize that you don't really know what you're talking about.

No one is taking away the private insurance companies. All that the law does is keep the health insurance companies from gouging people even more.

So, instead of only spending like 25% or less of the money they currently are paid by individuals on healthcare for those individuals, and keeping the rest for themselves. Kinda like how AIG got money from the bailout under G.W.Bush and then handed it out to it's CEOs. Now, if the healthcare providers do not spend 80-85% of your money on your healthcare, they have to send you back the difference. So, the average person pays, I'm gonna estimate here off of my own experiences, about 1200 dollars a year for minimal coverage, not including co-pay fees. Of that amount, your healthcare provider has to spend just under 1000 of that on you. So, if they only pay 600 dollars of your 1200 on you for the year, then you get a refund of about 400 dollars back at the end of the year, kind of like your tax rebates.

There's no single payer health provider for the majority of americans. Instead, the law now allows for individuals to choose their provider out of all providers, instead of simply 1 or 2, as it was before the law was passed, and health insurance companies were allowed to claim states and other providers were not allowed to operate in that state. Unfortunatly, I beleive they are still exempt from Anti-Trust and Monopoly laws. So, you actually have more of a choice, and if you do not like the current coverage you have, you can switch. If you like your coverage, you don't have to switch. It's your choice.

Another big thing the law changes is that you can't be dropped or denied coverage based on a pre-existing condition. Cancer can be expensive, and I can honestly understand an insurer wanting to drop someone for that, however, they can also drop people for being pregnant. That is dumb. If you believe that someone should be able to take thousands of dollars from people, to pay for a service, and then deny giving that service, then you really need to rethink your moral code. That's not free-market capitalism. That's theft. And if any other person or corporation attempted to do that to an individual, then they would end up in jail. Just like Bernie Maddoff... however his name is spelled.

Another big lie, that the government is taking over healthcare, is pretty funny too. If by taking over healthcare, you mean they're setting up a non-profit agency to make sure that the providers actually follow the laws. Then, yeah, I guess you'd still be really wrong. biggrin

So, any other Fox News talking points you'd like to throw out?
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Violinetta Harmonium
And of course, the average Republican mind thinks, "SOCIALISM BAD. We're gonna get violent if you help that man and his broken leg! SHAME ON YOU!!!"

Despite what you may think, the average republican is not a mentally retarded, finger-wagging caveman.
Could have fooled me.

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demonjack00
beck, i did watch your video, or at least the first 2/3s of it. i've noticed that what you seem to want is anarchy. the total freedome you seem to desire also has a price.
Nope, anarchy is destruction. I am a conservative. The government should do their job. Defend the country. Not boss everyone around like they are God. God gives us rights. Not the government. But for those who choose this thing. They can be regulated by the government. I want no part in it. I want only the rights that God gave me.


LOL! did YOU watch your video? it proposes the total downfall of the government! that's practicly the DEFINITION of anarchy!!
As for rights, the GOVERNMENT gives you those rights! look outside of your own country! no everyone has equal rights! you have the right to an attourny. you have the right to bear arms! you know who doles out those rights? clearly not god, or the world would be a much safer place! no, without the government, or SOME form of community, there would be nothing to stop me from walking into your house and killing you and living in your house while i used your corpse as a thow rug.


My opinion is that the constitution was inspired by God. I would like to follow the original.

And do you honestly know what he meant? He wants to shut our system down, to bring in a new one, called communism. How does communism and anarchy sound like the same thing?
I stopped listening when he started rambling. he must have said this during the end of his "speech".
so you want communism?
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demonjack00
beck, i did watch your video, or at least the first 2/3s of it. i've noticed that what you seem to want is anarchy. the total freedome you seem to desire also has a price.
Nope, anarchy is destruction. I am a conservative. The government should do their job. Defend the country. Not boss everyone around like they are God. God gives us rights. Not the government. But for those who choose this thing. They can be regulated by the government. I want no part in it. I want only the rights that God gave me.


LOL! did YOU watch your video? it proposes the total downfall of the government! that's practicly the DEFINITION of anarchy!!
As for rights, the GOVERNMENT gives you those rights! look outside of your own country! no everyone has equal rights! you have the right to an attourny. you have the right to bear arms! you know who doles out those rights? clearly not god, or the world would be a much safer place! no, without the government, or SOME form of community, there would be nothing to stop me from walking into your house and killing you and living in your house while i used your corpse as a thow rug.


My opinion is that the constitution was inspired by God. I would like to follow the original.

And do you honestly know what he meant? He wants to shut our system down, to bring in a new one, called communism. How does communism and anarchy sound like the same thing?


You're not spouting anarchy. You're talking Theocracy. Anarchy would mean that the god inspired laws didn't apply either.
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demonjack00
beck, i did watch your video, or at least the first 2/3s of it. i've noticed that what you seem to want is anarchy. the total freedome you seem to desire also has a price.
Nope, anarchy is destruction. I am a conservative. The government should do their job. Defend the country. Not boss everyone around like they are God. God gives us rights. Not the government. But for those who choose this thing. They can be regulated by the government. I want no part in it. I want only the rights that God gave me.


LOL! did YOU watch your video? it proposes the total downfall of the government! that's practicly the DEFINITION of anarchy!!
As for rights, the GOVERNMENT gives you those rights! look outside of your own country! no everyone has equal rights! you have the right to an attourny. you have the right to bear arms! you know who doles out those rights? clearly not god, or the world would be a much safer place! no, without the government, or SOME form of community, there would be nothing to stop me from walking into your house and killing you and living in your house while i used your corpse as a thow rug.


My opinion is that the constitution was inspired by God. I would like to follow the original.

And do you honestly know what he meant? He wants to shut our system down, to bring in a new one, called communism. How does communism and anarchy sound like the same thing?
I stopped listening when he started rambling. he must have said this during the end of his "speech".
so you want communism?


No, do you know the definition to being a conservative?

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