new healthcare in america

[BlackBeltMan]

Minerva-sama

And now I'm come out of my lurking for once in many a month.

I've honestly stopped giving a care what Obama does, because he and his cohorts don't seem very interested in listening to their constituents--they're more interested in passing their agenda, whether people agree with it or not.

Me, personally, I don't like the idea of paying for someone else's high-risk lifestyle when they could just get off their a** and fix their own problems. After all, if I don't smoke s**t, drink my liver to submission, and sleep around, why should I pay to cover someone who does, and has no interest in changing?

Last time I checked, in America, if you wanted something, you worked for it. : / Health care "reform" is enabling laziness in the short and long run (i.e. "I can destroy my body because this dude over here will pay my premium" ), and decreases competition in the insurance business (why not let them compete across state lines? It stimulates business).

It also creates massive dependency on the government. That may be all well and good for some, but I'd rather not have "big brother government" breathing down my throat.

And another thing--fines. Really? Because someone doesn't want to put up with this BS, they have to pay a fine. Remember flag.gov anyone? I'd rather have a small government that lets me live my life, rather than try to rule it.

/rant

Amen brother. Amen...

[volley15]

I am really happy this bill got passed. It's about time.

@Minerva: what about all those people who were born with disabilities or got cancer and can not get coverage due to a pre-existing condition, even though they work two full time jobs and pay into the system already? What about them? What about the families where the parents lost their jobs suddenly, and with it their health care? What about all the people who work so hard and die due to common, easily preventable diseases cause they don't make enough to afford health care? What about all of those people? People work themselves to death everyday and still can't afford to go to the doctor.

Also, if people are still living a high risk lifestyle, are working, and thus paying into the system, they are paying for themselves and/or even you. Everyone has each others backs basically. What is so wrong with that?

the problem with competition with insurance companies is the premiums keep going up and up. That got American in the shitter enough. the government needs to step the ******** up and care for it's people it's suppose to be representing for once in it's history.

Why is it that they don't deserve the same basic right to to health care/life as you do?

[Descouedres]

I already basically pay for everyone else's medical bills. There are so many people out there that don't have health insurance, and if they get in an accident, guess who pays for it? The tax payers, me.

I don't think this bill is going to help the problem we have in America.

[volley15]

Descouedres

I already basically pay for everyone else's medical bills. There are so many people out there that don't have health insurance, and if they get in an accident, guess who pays for it? The tax payers, me.

I don't think this bill is going to help the problem we have in America.

This is so incredibly stupid. If they are working and paying taxes then THEY ARE PAYING FOR THEMSELVES AND EVERYONE ELSE AS WELL.

Just because they don't have insurance does not mean that they don't have a job and pay taxes. Try saying what you are saying to people working two full time jobs and still can't get health care. Honestly now. stare

[Dr Thirteen Hadley]

Bunny-sin

yay free health care! Maybe america wont have so many fat people.

doubt it. There will probably be more... You'd think having to pay for health care beforehand would encourage them to be healthy.

[Tirissana]

Ning-Shu

Look.

Regardless of your party, regardless of the sticking points in the bill, for the first time in one hundred years we have health care reform.

It is not perfect. It will be challenged and modified. But goddammit people, my dad can finally switch his health care. My boyfriend can go back to school. I can leave my job and not feel like I could die if I don't get another one immediately.

This is getting into talking-head bullshit and I think it's a waste of our collective time.

We have a country in debt, two wars and maybe another on the way, and shitty a** economy holding a lot of us back. Just like the Great Depression, some of us got lucky, and some of us didn't.

If we can't try to compromise and see points where we do work together, I'm not sure what the future holds for us. Everyone of the tea party members keeps quoting, "Don't Tread On Me."

Well what about, "United we stand, divided we fall"?

I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou?

Well said. :3

Also the point the Tea Party neglects is that the original Tea Party wasn't a non-violent demonstration. It was quite violent. The Sons of Liberty dressed as Native Americans, carried tomahawks (which can bust your skull open). The more than likely beat the s**t out of the unsuspecting Redcoats, threw tea off the boats and lit the boats on fire. :3

I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan

[Tirissana]

-Treasures of Bast-

For The Overmind

Any disrespect is well overdue for all the s**t that your lot has done to slander, hurt, deceive, and manipulate good people.

The Democrats have slandered, hurt, deceived, and manipulated good people.
Both parties have.
neutral

It's politics, dude.
Get over it.

I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou?

Citation plox.

I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan

[Tirissana]

Discard

-Treasures of Bast-

Discard

-Treasures of Bast-

For The Overmind

-Treasures of Bast-

I said the same thing before the election.
"If the democrats gain control of the house, then I refuse to continue identifying myself as an American."

But then I realized something.
I'm still an American, and I still believe in this country.
I still carry hope with me even with all the corruption
that's going on in the government right now.

Pathos is a terrible route of persuasion when you're talking to me. I don't give a s**t.

I have little enough hope in this country with the democrats in power, the last thing I need is the republicans in power.

I believe the republicans are A LOT better than having the democrats in power.
We can just agree to disagree on this one.

I respect your opinions. I don't believe there is a "better" ability between the two parties. Just a factor of choosing the lesser of the two evils. I don't vote, mainly because I don't care about politics that much to be honest.

But I hope to God you aren't rooting for Sarah Palin for president in 2012, because then I know- excuse me for this, that you have s**t for ******** brains.

Please don't take offense. Again I do not identify myself with any party, but I know enough that Palin is the biggest joke and disgrace there is. Give me any other, even McCain- I don't care. But do not give me a dumbshit like her.

I thought Palin was sexy. And yes, I'm bi... But that has nothing to do with this.
I do not believe she has any place or capacity to run a country.
It's unrealistic even, since I'm sure she wouldn't get many votes. Or mine.

I also didn't care for McCain, but from what I wanted out of a president,
I chose him as the "lesser evil" compared to Obama.
Still wasn't crazy about him, but meh. :/

And thank you for respecting my opinions and beliefs,
even if they are contrary to your own.

Thank you. I didn't care for McCain either, but if I had to choose him or Sarah Palin- I'd definately go for McCain. Palin is just. Eh.

I didn't know much about Obama's policy. I'm somewhat glad he won for social and psychological reasons. Understandable that this isn't a vote for ethnicity, but for political abilities- but I felt that by Obama winning, it helped somewhat on the racial tension and gap that existed between those of white heritage, and those of black. It was a milestone, that we were able to take a step away from our segregated history. Unfortunately, if it weren't for this segregation- America wouldn't be where it is now. It's a terrible thing to think about, but our early development was built upon the enslaved as well as oppressed working minority. It sucks so bad that such a thing was a contributing factor to our growth. At the same time, maybe it'll help us further accept and move on.

I'm not sure about anything else though. He's a pretty good speaker. Guess that's it really.

What I find a bit disheartening is that everyone is expecting him to fix everything. Our deficit, our political system. Within his term. We have unrealistic expectations that this can all be achieved in one term. Not even the opposing party would be able to do this. No one term or even two terms with any given president cannot solve all of our problems within a set given of time. It'll take years upon years for America to fully recover. Our debt is in the trillions, and building with each given second. It'll take a number of terms and presidents before we fully heal.

We are all bias humans in some sense or another. I guess was a bit bias in support the democratic party for the 2008 elections. Mostly because I had the previous in mind, as well as about war. I dunno. Now I feel allll confused. I hate politics D<<<

I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou?

The issues we have is going to take years to fix. I've known this for a while. I'm not expecting him to fix everything immediately that's just....ignorant and delusional to even think that. People due to the Bush administration have a ******** up disorder I (and my parents like to call) The Me First syndrome. Now thinking about you is fine and dandy but at the end of the day other people are suffering in the nation. Our Founding Fathers would be rolling in their graves when they hear that we've turned into selfish little twats.

It might take 10 years for us to fully stabilize maybe 20. The point is we need to help each other through the tough times. We need to forget about politics and not let it control our lives. We are stronger when we are a united force. We are stronger when we help each other out. We are weaker when we're divided and arguing like idiots.

I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan

[Inritus]

Don't live in America so I don't care.

[MedicAudino]

Minerva-sama

And now I'm come out of my lurking for once in many a month.

I've honestly stopped giving a care what Obama does, because he and his cohorts don't seem very interested in listening to their constituents--they're more interested in passing their agenda, whether people agree with it or not.

Me, personally, I don't like the idea of paying for someone else's high-risk lifestyle when they could just get off their a** and fix their own problems. After all, if I don't smoke s**t, drink my liver to submission, and sleep around, why should I pay to cover someone who does, and has no interest in changing?

Last time I checked, in America, if you wanted something, you worked for it. : / Health care "reform" is enabling laziness in the short and long run (i.e. "I can destroy my body because this dude over here will pay my premium" ), and decreases competition in the insurance business (why not let them compete across state lines? It stimulates business).

It also creates massive dependency on the government. That may be all well and good for some, but I'd rather not have "big brother government" breathing down my throat.

And another thing--fines. Really? Because someone doesn't want to put up with this BS, they have to pay a fine. Remember flag.gov anyone? I'd rather have a small government that lets me live my life, rather than try to rule it.

/rant

High risk lifestyle?! You are saying that because I eat healthy, exercise, and do not take drugs, smoke, or have sex, I am high-risk. Ridiculous! I have several genetic issues that cause me to need medication and several specialists, but guess what that means? I can't get insurance because I dare to want it so that I can STAY HEALTHY, not so that the executives can pad their wallets.

When I go in hospital for an emergency the insurance company says that I don't have "previous authorization". They honestly want me to call them and wait for a response to if I can go. You find nothing wrong with that?

When I go to a call with my ambulance where the person just had a bad seizure and hit their head and are bleeding they try to sign a Refusal of Medical Treatment. Why? The insurance company wouldn't cover them because of the epilepsy and he can't afford to go to hospital. You find nothing wrong with that?

Honestly not everyone who needs insurance is a drugged up hooker :S It's like the myth that ALL people on welfare are lazy whores. Guess what? Part of being on welfare is that you must look for jobs and apply often or your social worker will report that you are not complying.

[Bahama_Momma]

I don't think Obama care is the answer, however, something does need to be done to fix the insurance companies.
They're horrible, after taking an insurance course in school and watching the movie "Sicko", I was disgusted.
One thing I do think is funny, I've heard so many people say "YaY! Free healthcare!!!" It's not free, we pay for it each month and with our taxes. rolleyes
Either way, not a fan of the whole "importing physicians from China" since we're already low on them as it is and from the 45% that said they would consider quitting if the bill passed.

[Tirissana]

Pyramid Head`s Toy

Minerva-sama

And now I'm come out of my lurking for once in many a month.

I've honestly stopped giving a care what Obama does, because he and his cohorts don't seem very interested in listening to their constituents--they're more interested in passing their agenda, whether people agree with it or not.

Me, personally, I don't like the idea of paying for someone else's high-risk lifestyle when they could just get off their a** and fix their own problems. After all, if I don't smoke s**t, drink my liver to submission, and sleep around, why should I pay to cover someone who does, and has no interest in changing?

Last time I checked, in America, if you wanted something, you worked for it. : / Health care "reform" is enabling laziness in the short and long run (i.e. "I can destroy my body because this dude over here will pay my premium" ), and decreases competition in the insurance business (why not let them compete across state lines? It stimulates business).

It also creates massive dependency on the government. That may be all well and good for some, but I'd rather not have "big brother government" breathing down my throat.

And another thing--fines. Really? Because someone doesn't want to put up with this BS, they have to pay a fine. Remember flag.gov anyone? I'd rather have a small government that lets me live my life, rather than try to rule it.

/rant

High risk lifestyle?! You are saying that because I eat healthy, exercise, and do not take drugs, smoke, or have sex, I am high-risk. Ridiculous! I have several genetic issues that cause me to need medication and several specialists, but guess what that means? I can't get insurance because I dare to want it so that I can STAY HEALTHY, not so that the executives can pad their wallets.

When I go in hospital for an emergency the insurance company says that I don't have "previous authorization". They honestly want me to call them and wait for a response to if I can go. You find nothing wrong with that?

When I go to a call with my ambulance where the person just had a bad seizure and hit their head and are bleeding they try to sign a Refusal of Medical Treatment. Why? The insurance company wouldn't cover them because of the epilepsy and he can't afford to go to hospital. You find nothing wrong with that?

Honestly not everyone who needs insurance is a drugged up hooker :S It's like the myth that ALL people on welfare are lazy whores. Guess what? Part of being on welfare is that you must look for jobs and apply often or your social worker will report that you are not complying.

And I can even vouch for this and say it's fact. To get unemployment you have to apply at least to 5 different staffing agencies or companies once a week or you get your unemployment taken away. That means getting off your a** and going to apply. You also have to keep track and get people to sign to say that yes you were there or even get a business card to prove it.

I work in a staffing agency and I do see this everyday.

[Ninjanova24]

I think that if the American people could afford healthcare in the first place then they would have bought it already. The taxes on this will be HUGE!!! People are out of work, losing their homes, and worry about how they will be able to feed their childern. Why dont they come up with somehting useful like if you have childern then you cant be put out of your home. I could go on and on about this. Sad Day Indeed.

[Ninjanova24]

DemonFox2007

Its completely ridiculous. 2/3s of Americans didn't want this to happen but the government decided to vote on it anyway. In my opinion, America is starting to turn into a socialistic country.. The government is supposed to be FOR the people, so when they go ahead and vote for it (with all republicans and 34 democratics vote no for it) they are pulling a Socialist movement.
Plus, if they are going to do it, they are practically supporting abortion because apparently unborn babies in a mother isn't covered :/

i agree with you. America is turning into a Socialist Counrty and I may have to find somewere else to live. Besides I may not be able to afford staying in America with the High Taxes coming up.