Healthcare reform??? Kay cool. I don't care, I'm Canadian.

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Farrago

rhyker9597

Farrago

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Bleach-Shinigami

Farrago

It isn't free, is it? Correct me if I'm wrong, but they're forcing us to purchase health care or pay a penalty.

Yeah. It's "free" health care. Okay, sure, if someone wants health care and can't afford it, then great! This bill is perfect 'em. But what if you don't want health care? You still have to pay for it. And if you don't pay for it, then you have to pay a fee. Wonderous! =P

What kind of moron doesn't want health care?

I don't know, but what if you don't want the government to force you to buy health care?

Dante: If you use proper grammar, I might be able to understand you better.

Who cares if you're forced to buy it. It would still be a BENIFIT for you in the long run. You should want it.

I'm not saying I don't want it.

I want to be able to make my own decisions. I don't care how beneficial it is. I don't want the government to have this much control over my life.

Think of it this way, it's like when safety helmets were made mandatory. Mind you they don't cost nearly as much, but you're still required to shell out for one that fits you properly if you want to ride a bike. End result, alot of people ere saved from having their brains scrambled. Hate to sound sadistic, but I'd rather be safe knowing if anything should happen to me I'm not going to die from a stupid illness/injury that could've been treated.

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Farrago

black_cloud14

rhyker9597

Bleach-Shinigami

Farrago

It isn't free, is it? Correct me if I'm wrong, but they're forcing us to purchase health care or pay a penalty.

Yeah. It's "free" health care. Okay, sure, if someone wants health care and can't afford it, then great! This bill is perfect 'em. But what if you don't want health care? You still have to pay for it. And if you don't pay for it, then you have to pay a fee. Wonderous! =P

I still don't understand the concept of not wanting healthcare. How can you say you don't want medical care if you are sick. Is their alot of people in the US that enjoy suffering or even death!!

This is something I've never understood either.
I think its those who have never experienced or had a close family member experience an illness or accident that feel this way. Becuase if you look around you can find tons of Americans who've had family members with treatable cancer and other such things that they couldn't afford, and had a family member worsen or die, and many of them are vehemently for health care.
It's just another illumination as to how self-centered Americans are.
And technically its not "free" here in Canada, we do pay a crap-ton of taxes, but I'd say its definitely worth it. Did you know that I was completely shocked when I found out that Americans had to pay like, thousands of dollars to have a baby? I found that out through Gaia a few years back looking around Life Issues, and it just amazed me!

Uh, what? Americans are self-centered because they want to have the right to do what they want with their money. Alright, let's pretend that's true.

Americans are self-centered jerks who don't want health care because they hate their families. Now, how does that make sense?

At least as if you ever get hurt in your life you will not have to give however much money to the doctor.

Stop going off into one over how it is your money and how the goverment should not try and control your life: Example:
Oh no! The goverment is trying to make a change to my life scream I do not want the goverment to control me! stare Even though this may help me in the future if I ever get hurt and many other people to but NO! I must make sure that they do not get my hard worked money! It is MY MONEY! MY MONEY! It is not allowed to be used on people who have not worked for their money or on people who do not make enough money.

Though those people may in the future do wonderful work in your country and may make life better for other people.
Do not judge other people and do not worry about if someone is worthy of being treated or not.
Why would someone even think that (For the people who would) If someone is really hurt and in alot of pain then they should be able to get the help which they need.

There is no need to judge people or push them out of the way just because they do not fit your views of "What makes a person suitable to get health care"
I mean, come on. They have their own life and have people who love them, why would someone not want to help another person who could have a better future.

The health plan helps everyone, no matter who they are.
If the people of a country are healthy then the more work those people can do since more people no matter what their background is, can be healthy and can live life to the fullest.


Here is a saying: Support each other for a better tomorrow.

[Cyanide River]

Sorry, couldn't help myself. emo

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Miku Akayuki

black_cloud14

Did you know that I was completely shocked when I found out that Americans had to pay like, thousands of dollars to have a baby? I found that out through Gaia a few years back looking around Life Issues, and it just amazed me!

You just shocked me eek

For a basic, "risk free" pregnancy the prenatal care and delivery will generally cost about six thousand dollars for a problem free vaginal delivery. That does not include prenatal vitamins. If there are any problems you can expect to be charged a lot more money for extra sonograms, blood work, tests and medications as well as the extra visits you make.
For a delivery that is a C-section you can pay anywhere from 10 thousand to thirteen thousand. Again, that is without complications.

There, now you can truly be shocked.

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Cyanide River

Sorry, couldn't help myself. emo

I love you

[robert233]

down with the health form,,down wit canadians

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Farrago

rhyker9597

Bleach-Shinigami

Farrago

rhyker9597

Who cares if you're forced to buy it. It would still be a BENIFIT for you in the long run. You should want it.

I'm not saying I don't want it.

I want to be able to make my own decisions. I don't care how beneficial it is. I don't want the government to have this much control over my life.

Farrago, I'm with you on this one.

That is the inherent problem with this whole debate. Americans are very distrustful of their goverment. Almost anything the goverment does that would be mandatory,however good it is for all the people, is looked on as "the goverment is controlling my life". Why do you have a goverment anyway? Let everyone decide everything for themselves. ANARCHY RULES!!

Yep. I don't trust the government. I'd much rather be able to decide for myself where my money goes. I don't want to be babied.

This is what is wrong with America. People are so individualistic that they only think about me, me, me. What do I want? What can I get from this? Is this beneficial for me? Think collectively -- think about how many children, elderly and adults who WANT health care, but CAN'T afford it. This bill helps them get the care they need. If you've never seen an elderly person living in an apartment with s**t everywhere because he/she couldn't pay for a stint to regulate their bladder then you can't say anything about this bill. If you haven't seen a child crying at night because he/she is on the verge of death from a curable/treatable fever, whose parents cannot afford to have treated, then you can't comment on this bill about what you want. Think about how many lives this bill is saving!

What's the point of living and breathing if you aren't compassionate about others?! Seriously. Live a life for others, because in the end, a life for yourself is nothing.

[Trisbreya]

Another Canadian here, I find it disgusting the amount of money Americans are charged even for a single trip to the ER. As for those Americans who say that universal health care will somehow take away from their freedom as citizens, try telling that to the little boy who has a serious disease or his parents who can't afford to properly feed and cloth his brother and/or sister much less themselves, and are going to be in debt the rest of their lives paying for his medical bills because they couldn't afford health insurance

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robert233

down with the health form,,down wit canadians

masochist talk2hand

[LadyEladrin]

Trisbreya

Another Canadian here, I find it disgusting the amount of money Americans are charged even for a single trip to the ER. As for those Americans who say that universal health care will somehow take away from their freedom as citizens, try telling that to the little boy who has a serious disease or his parents who can't afford to properly feed and cloth his brother and/or sister much less themselves, and are going to be in debt the rest of their lives paying for his medical bills because they couldn't afford health insurance

Quoted for awesome. No person who goes to the ER can be refused care, but the bills that follow can seriously ******** up your life; people lose their jobs when they get sick or injured because there isnt enough medical (or maternal,paternal) leave. If sick or injured and needing treatment, there are the bills you cant pay because you just lost your job. How is this NOT a bad system?

[Tamarahma]

Gnomegnome

Another Brit. I have to say I find it hilarious how vehemently some Americans oppose what I would take for granted as a basic human right.

Hallo, fellow Brits. My family would be royally ******** without the NHS. Seriously, give UHC a try, it's pretty great.

[Suntelia Aion]

Hawaii is America. I believe citizens from every country deserve the right to be president by my standards,. I don't get why this matters

It tends to come down to a fallacious claims made by Conservatives, and I really do not want to see this s**t..

Americans are people from other countries because they are immigrants and descended from immigrants. This is the Melting pot.

If Obama really hates America then he wouldn't be a National Socialist, since Hitler loved Germany and was more of a Conservative in his views...

He was a fascist like Bush, militant, and outlawed abortion and feminism... He aimed at religious freedom by persecuting Zionists, occultists, and anybody who didn't agree with his agenda..

He was a Nationalist, which means, he was anti-world, and pro-German.... He wanted a "supreme" white race ...

Hell, even Americans supported Nazism during WWI and WWII! Conservatives...

You all act like Hitler. You are all Nazis. There's no difference between Conservative behavior and Nazism.

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LadyEladrin

Healthcare is a right, not a privilege.

That right there is the biggest divider between Canada and the US. Here, we view healthcare as being a right, not a privilege, whereas there, it's the opposite. It's a matter of differing views - the US has always been a more 'me-centric' nation. Canada is a country that embraces the idea that "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one." Why yes, I did just quote Star Trek. I'm quite proud to admit that I am a Canadian. I've been through emergency rooms three times in my life, and through a walk-in clinic. I know that my family is very glad to have the healthcare that we do.

Out of curiosity, how did the US deal with the H1N1 crisis and vaccinations? I know that I went to a walk-in clinic in my hometown and was in and out in about fifteen minutes - no exchange of money or verifying that I was insured - I just had to fill out a little card with some information like my name, date of birth, gender, etc. It was a quick and easy process and I know that my mom felt safer afterwards.

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LadyEladrin

Healthcare is a right, not a privilege.

That right there is the biggest divider between Canada and the US. Here, we view healthcare as being a right, not a privilege, whereas there, it's the opposite. It's a matter of differing views - the US has always been a more 'me-centric' nation. Canada is a country that embraces the idea that "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one." Why yes, I did just quote Star Trek. I'm quite proud to admit that I am a Canadian. I've been through emergency rooms three times in my life, and through a walk-in clinic. I know that my family is very glad to have the healthcare that we do.

Out of curiosity, how did the US deal with the H1N1 crisis and vaccinations? I know that I went to a walk-in clinic in my hometown and was in and out in about fifteen minutes - no exchange of money or verifying that I was insured - I just had to fill out a little card with some information like my name, date of birth, gender, etc. It was a quick and easy process and I know that my mom felt safer afterwards.

I would agree that the right and privilege is where people disagree. I'm American and I do not want this health care law. There are so many things wrong with it than good. In the US, you can get health care. Even illegals can get health care. And we have a pretty good health care. Why is it that many people from other countries come here for certain procedures? Why did Danny Williams, Primer of the province of Newfoundland and Labrador go to Miami for his heart surgery instead of using the Canadian health care system? He even was quoted in saying “This was my heart, my choice and my health,” and he's right. HIS CHOICE. Why is my government choosing for me?

Now even though we can get health care, it's the matter of paying for it is what's the issue. This health bill that passed is not about giving care. It's about power. Why not allow us to purchase across state lines so there's more competition? Why not allow me to customize my insurance to get rid of, say drug rehab and other options in my insurance that I know I will never need, thus making it cost cheaper? Why seize control of the whole thing (slowly mind you so that eventually the public option will be in place), so that they can tell us what we can and cannot do with our own bodies? A New York Senator is trying to ban salt from restaurants because salt's bad for you. Some advocacy group wants to retire the Ronald McDonald's Clown because he somehow makes little kids eat unhealthy. They're trying to micromanage us left and right. Would you like to be a full grown adult, in your 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s and still being micromanaged by your parents? Of course not (at least I hope you don't). You want to be on your own, make your own decisions, your own mistakes, and learn from them. You don't want to be held by the hand all throughout your life. That's what the government is trying to do.

As for the law, why is student loans in there? Why is the government making it so that they are the only ones that give student loans to college students? What's that got to do with health care? Why did they exempt senior staff members who helped write the bill from this law if it's suppose to be so good? Why are they making it come into effect in 2014 (after the elections) so people don't really know how it's going to affect them till later? Why is it 2,409 pages long?

There are many other aspects of this bill, and lots of debate back and forth on who has the correct facts. One side says "read the bill, my facts are correct." The other side also says the same, so it becomes frustrating and thus, name calling, personal bashing, and outright rudeness ensues on both sides.

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LadyEladrin

msromantic

I honestly just find it ridiculous that those who don't even want it have to pay a fee. I mean, yes there are some people out there who do need health care, but there are some families, like mine, who never get sick enough that we have to go to the doctor. We just wait it out a few days, and we just get better. That, and our family doesn't have money to pay these "fees" if we don't want the health care. From what my government teacher told me, we can be put in jail if we don't pay for the health care OR the fees. But whatever I guess. rolleyes

Right, but think about this for a second; your mom/dad/guardian is on their way to work tomorrow and suddenly, there's a horrible accident on the freeway. They're taken to the hospital where they need life saving surgery, weeks of physiotherapy and lots of meds to get better. How are you going to pay for all that if you don't have insurance, when you say you can't even afford the fees? It's better to have health insurance of some kind and never need it, then need it and not have it.

That's true, but then if we were to think like that too... then what if tomorrow the world ends? Or maybe a terrorist attacks in your own town? Anything can happen, I understand that. There is a risk in everything of course. I've talked to my family about this as well, and well... they think if they were meant to get pulled through the situation, no matter what, they will. Not to say they won't try to get things taken care of, but that things will be okay in the end. Call it ignorant, but with the amount of fees going to be calculated until 2016 (I think thats the year) its going to be really REALLY expensive. My family knows the risk of not getting the health care. Just like everyone knows the risk if they don't get insurance on their house or car. But, there are just some risks you have to take. That's just my opinion though.