Harry Potter/Hermione Granger (Read first post please)

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Um, in the last book, Harry tells Ron he always loved Hermione as a sister. How much more specific were you looking for?

And at THAT point, it became ok to argue that. But to say they "always" acted like brother and sister is ridiculous, because we have no evidence that was true until that point.

Wait. By that line of reasoning, to say that stating opinions on personal relationships without EXPLICIT CONFIRMATION IN THE BOOKS is ridiculous...isn't that criticizing your own opinions about Harry and Hermione as well, since they were never confirmed?

Not at all. I dislike much of canon. I slash a lot of very odd, odd couples.

I just dislike the "like family" argument because more often than not, it's used without confirmation or reason. It's simply an easy way to bash pairing. Now, given that Harry does tell Ron that Hermione is like a sister to him in the books, it's fair to say that canonly that this is accurate from Harry's point of view. But to say that canonly Harry and Hermione were always like siblings in the book is being given an inch and taking a mile.

I didn't ask if you liked canon or not. What does that have to do with it?

Everyone has their reasons for seeing relations between the characters in the books the way they choose to. If a person sees that the behavior between Harry and Hermione is romantic, then that's their viewpoint. If they see it as behavior befitting a brother and sister, then that's also a viewpoint, and one that happens to be backed by canon.

It doesn't mean that one opinion is worth more than the other, or that one is 'ridiculous' for having correctly assumed the author's intent for the two, and having seen hints for it long before then. If you didn't see it until that line about Harry thinking of her as a sister smacked you in the nose in the last book, you obviously thought differently, and judging by this thread you WISH differently as well. Nothing wrong with that.

But to claim that others who DID see it coming are 'ridiculous' or are looking for a 'cheap way out' of liking a pairing that really only exists in a portion of fanon anyway is a little harsh. Especially when the first post of this topic says to say why you don't like the pairing in the first place.

I'm...really not a Harmony fan. I just like it more than Harry/Ginny.

My point was that nine times out of ten, when someone runs into a pairing thread screaming that "It could never happen cuz they're like family!111!" it's an unsupported, lazy rebuttal.
Especially when this thread openly admits that their pairing is, and always will remain, fanon.

Those statistics seem a little stretched, is all I'm saying. I know that whenever I claim that as my reason for not seeing a relationship between two characters, it is because there is actual interaction between them, or else a very strong vibe that i personally feel, that leans me that direction. I have yet to see anyone say that that didn't actually mean or think that, personally, and so what if there's nothing to support it? There's nothing to support this, either.

Also, the person didn't come running in screaming, from what I saw. They did what the thread asked, then left. There was little reason to shoot a 'your opinion is unfounded and ridiculous' arrow in their back as they left, except for some sort of self-validation? The extra gold for posting? I don't know, I'm not going to try and guess. Just saying that it ain't always so, even if you're under the impression that it is, and while differing opinions make the world go 'round, it can be done without utterly dismissing another person's line of reasoning in order to make your own look more logical and thought-out.

Those sort of knee-jerk reactions are a big part of the reason why most Harmonians, Sparrabethers, and Zutara fans are seen as a little 'off' in the larger parts of their respective fandom communites.

That's MY point.

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Wait. By that line of reasoning, to say that stating opinions on personal relationships without EXPLICIT CONFIRMATION IN THE BOOKS is ridiculous...isn't that criticizing your own opinions about Harry and Hermione as well, since they were never confirmed?

Not at all. I dislike much of canon. I slash a lot of very odd, odd couples.

I just dislike the "like family" argument because more often than not, it's used without confirmation or reason. It's simply an easy way to bash pairing. Now, given that Harry does tell Ron that Hermione is like a sister to him in the books, it's fair to say that canonly that this is accurate from Harry's point of view. But to say that canonly Harry and Hermione were always like siblings in the book is being given an inch and taking a mile.

I didn't ask if you liked canon or not. What does that have to do with it?

Everyone has their reasons for seeing relations between the characters in the books the way they choose to. If a person sees that the behavior between Harry and Hermione is romantic, then that's their viewpoint. If they see it as behavior befitting a brother and sister, then that's also a viewpoint, and one that happens to be backed by canon.

It doesn't mean that one opinion is worth more than the other, or that one is 'ridiculous' for having correctly assumed the author's intent for the two, and having seen hints for it long before then. If you didn't see it until that line about Harry thinking of her as a sister smacked you in the nose in the last book, you obviously thought differently, and judging by this thread you WISH differently as well. Nothing wrong with that.

But to claim that others who DID see it coming are 'ridiculous' or are looking for a 'cheap way out' of liking a pairing that really only exists in a portion of fanon anyway is a little harsh. Especially when the first post of this topic says to say why you don't like the pairing in the first place.

I'm...really not a Harmony fan. I just like it more than Harry/Ginny.

My point was that nine times out of ten, when someone runs into a pairing thread screaming that "It could never happen cuz they're like family!111!" it's an unsupported, lazy rebuttal.
Especially when this thread openly admits that their pairing is, and always will remain, fanon.

Those statistics seem a little stretched, is all I'm saying. I know that whenever I claim that as my reason for not seeing a relationship between two characters, it is because there is actual interaction between them, or else a very strong vibe that i personally feel, that leans me that direction. I have yet to see anyone say that that didn't actually mean or think that, personally, and so what if there's nothing to support it? There's nothing to support this, either.

Also, the person didn't come running in screaming, from what I saw. They did what the thread asked, then left. There was little reason to shoot a 'your opinion is unfounded and ridiculous' arrow in their back as they left, except for some sort of self-validation? The extra gold for posting? I don't know, I'm not going to try and guess. Just saying that it ain't always so, even if you're under the impression that it is, and while differing opinions make the world go 'round, it can be done without utterly dismissing another person's line of reasoning in order to make your own look more logical and thought-out.

Those sort of knee-jerk reactions are a big part of the reason why most Harmonians, Sparrabethers, and Zutara fans are seen as a little 'off' in the larger parts of their respective fandom communites.

That's MY point.

I didn't realize they were going to post and then never come back. I didn't intend to shoot any arrow in their back, I was attempting to engage in a discussion.

The thing is, that for one, Zutara fans were the one's pulling the "Katara and Aang are like family" card in that pairing war. Where as Kataangers never did.

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Wait. By that line of reasoning, to say that stating opinions on personal relationships without EXPLICIT CONFIRMATION IN THE BOOKS is ridiculous...isn't that criticizing your own opinions about Harry and Hermione as well, since they were never confirmed?

Not at all. I dislike much of canon. I slash a lot of very odd, odd couples.

I just dislike the "like family" argument because more often than not, it's used without confirmation or reason. It's simply an easy way to bash pairing. Now, given that Harry does tell Ron that Hermione is like a sister to him in the books, it's fair to say that canonly that this is accurate from Harry's point of view. But to say that canonly Harry and Hermione were always like siblings in the book is being given an inch and taking a mile.

I didn't ask if you liked canon or not. What does that have to do with it?

Everyone has their reasons for seeing relations between the characters in the books the way they choose to. If a person sees that the behavior between Harry and Hermione is romantic, then that's their viewpoint. If they see it as behavior befitting a brother and sister, then that's also a viewpoint, and one that happens to be backed by canon.

It doesn't mean that one opinion is worth more than the other, or that one is 'ridiculous' for having correctly assumed the author's intent for the two, and having seen hints for it long before then. If you didn't see it until that line about Harry thinking of her as a sister smacked you in the nose in the last book, you obviously thought differently, and judging by this thread you WISH differently as well. Nothing wrong with that.

But to claim that others who DID see it coming are 'ridiculous' or are looking for a 'cheap way out' of liking a pairing that really only exists in a portion of fanon anyway is a little harsh. Especially when the first post of this topic says to say why you don't like the pairing in the first place.

I'm...really not a Harmony fan. I just like it more than Harry/Ginny.

My point was that nine times out of ten, when someone runs into a pairing thread screaming that "It could never happen cuz they're like family!111!" it's an unsupported, lazy rebuttal.
Especially when this thread openly admits that their pairing is, and always will remain, fanon.

Those statistics seem a little stretched, is all I'm saying. I know that whenever I claim that as my reason for not seeing a relationship between two characters, it is because there is actual interaction between them, or else a very strong vibe that i personally feel, that leans me that direction. I have yet to see anyone say that that didn't actually mean or think that, personally, and so what if there's nothing to support it? There's nothing to support this, either.

Also, the person didn't come running in screaming, from what I saw. They did what the thread asked, then left. There was little reason to shoot a 'your opinion is unfounded and ridiculous' arrow in their back as they left, except for some sort of self-validation? The extra gold for posting? I don't know, I'm not going to try and guess. Just saying that it ain't always so, even if you're under the impression that it is, and while differing opinions make the world go 'round, it can be done without utterly dismissing another person's line of reasoning in order to make your own look more logical and thought-out.

Those sort of knee-jerk reactions are a big part of the reason why most Harmonians, Sparrabethers, and Zutara fans are seen as a little 'off' in the larger parts of their respective fandom communites.

That's MY point.

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I've been so wicked in not being here to defend my favorite group of shippers! Here I am! ... Ren, is this little boy giving you trouble?

Aww, you're so cute when you're being condescending. Aren't you precious? Yes you are!

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Wait. By that line of reasoning, to say that stating opinions on personal relationships without EXPLICIT CONFIRMATION IN THE BOOKS is ridiculous...isn't that criticizing your own opinions about Harry and Hermione as well, since they were never confirmed?

Not at all. I dislike much of canon. I slash a lot of very odd, odd couples.

I just dislike the "like family" argument because more often than not, it's used without confirmation or reason. It's simply an easy way to bash pairing. Now, given that Harry does tell Ron that Hermione is like a sister to him in the books, it's fair to say that canonly that this is accurate from Harry's point of view. But to say that canonly Harry and Hermione were always like siblings in the book is being given an inch and taking a mile.

I didn't ask if you liked canon or not. What does that have to do with it?

Everyone has their reasons for seeing relations between the characters in the books the way they choose to. If a person sees that the behavior between Harry and Hermione is romantic, then that's their viewpoint. If they see it as behavior befitting a brother and sister, then that's also a viewpoint, and one that happens to be backed by canon.

It doesn't mean that one opinion is worth more than the other, or that one is 'ridiculous' for having correctly assumed the author's intent for the two, and having seen hints for it long before then. If you didn't see it until that line about Harry thinking of her as a sister smacked you in the nose in the last book, you obviously thought differently, and judging by this thread you WISH differently as well. Nothing wrong with that.

But to claim that others who DID see it coming are 'ridiculous' or are looking for a 'cheap way out' of liking a pairing that really only exists in a portion of fanon anyway is a little harsh. Especially when the first post of this topic says to say why you don't like the pairing in the first place.

I'm...really not a Harmony fan. I just like it more than Harry/Ginny.

My point was that nine times out of ten, when someone runs into a pairing thread screaming that "It could never happen cuz they're like family!111!" it's an unsupported, lazy rebuttal.
Especially when this thread openly admits that their pairing is, and always will remain, fanon.

Those statistics seem a little stretched, is all I'm saying. I know that whenever I claim that as my reason for not seeing a relationship between two characters, it is because there is actual interaction between them, or else a very strong vibe that i personally feel, that leans me that direction. I have yet to see anyone say that that didn't actually mean or think that, personally, and so what if there's nothing to support it? There's nothing to support this, either.

Also, the person didn't come running in screaming, from what I saw. They did what the thread asked, then left. There was little reason to shoot a 'your opinion is unfounded and ridiculous' arrow in their back as they left, except for some sort of self-validation? The extra gold for posting? I don't know, I'm not going to try and guess. Just saying that it ain't always so, even if you're under the impression that it is, and while differing opinions make the world go 'round, it can be done without utterly dismissing another person's line of reasoning in order to make your own look more logical and thought-out.

Those sort of knee-jerk reactions are a big part of the reason why most Harmonians, Sparrabethers, and Zutara fans are seen as a little 'off' in the larger parts of their respective fandom communites.

That's MY point.

I didn't realize they were going to post and then never come back. I didn't intend to shoot any arrow in their back, I was attempting to engage in a discussion.

The thing is, that for one, Zutara fans were the one's pulling the "Katara and Aang are like family" card in that pairing war. Where as Kataangers never did.

Fair enough. And what a discussion it's been. I'm genuinely glad we've been able to talk like adults about this without someone coming in and getting their knickers in a twist over me not agreeing. Aside from that little darling Harpsiccord. I think I may pinch her cheeks, she's so adorable.

And....yeah, that wasn't my point, either. The reason for liking or disliking the pairing isn't what I'm referring to. It's that knee-jerk reaction of "Yeah, well, you don't like it because you clearly haven't thought about it IN DEPTH like we have!" It's less the details and more the general attitude shown, see what I mean?

The reasons differ greatly but all three seem to have the same reputation. And it sort of sucks, because I know there have to be fans of those pairings who don't take it so freaking seriously. Fandom's supposed to be fun, after all.

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I really don't care much for this pairing, since it always seemed obvious that Ron and Hermione were going to end up together, and Harry and Hermione always acted so much like brother and sister with each other.

I really, really, REALLY hate it when people try to claim that 2 unrelated characters are like siblings. Unless the characters or narration specifically describe them that way, I dont think it's a fair comparison. It's a cheap way to write off that pairing as "impossible" without any actual thought.

Um, in the last book, Harry tells Ron he always loved Hermione as a sister. How much more specific were you looking for?

Um, ever thought he was LYING to make Ron come back? He knew Ron loved her, so maybe he lied because he felt Hermione was in love with Ron and he wanted her to be happy, becausen he was in love with her? That's could be me reading too much into it though...

Thank you for being a mature deabter though

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I didn't ask if you liked canon or not. What does that have to do with it?

Everyone has their reasons for seeing relations between the characters in the books the way they choose to. If a person sees that the behavior between Harry and Hermione is romantic, then that's their viewpoint. If they see it as behavior befitting a brother and sister, then that's also a viewpoint, and one that happens to be backed by canon.

It doesn't mean that one opinion is worth more than the other, or that one is 'ridiculous' for having correctly assumed the author's intent for the two, and having seen hints for it long before then. If you didn't see it until that line about Harry thinking of her as a sister smacked you in the nose in the last book, you obviously thought differently, and judging by this thread you WISH differently as well. Nothing wrong with that.

But to claim that others who DID see it coming are 'ridiculous' or are looking for a 'cheap way out' of liking a pairing that really only exists in a portion of fanon anyway is a little harsh. Especially when the first post of this topic says to say why you don't like the pairing in the first place.

I'm...really not a Harmony fan. I just like it more than Harry/Ginny.

My point was that nine times out of ten, when someone runs into a pairing thread screaming that "It could never happen cuz they're like family!111!" it's an unsupported, lazy rebuttal.
Especially when this thread openly admits that their pairing is, and always will remain, fanon.

Those statistics seem a little stretched, is all I'm saying. I know that whenever I claim that as my reason for not seeing a relationship between two characters, it is because there is actual interaction between them, or else a very strong vibe that i personally feel, that leans me that direction. I have yet to see anyone say that that didn't actually mean or think that, personally, and so what if there's nothing to support it? There's nothing to support this, either.

Also, the person didn't come running in screaming, from what I saw. They did what the thread asked, then left. There was little reason to shoot a 'your opinion is unfounded and ridiculous' arrow in their back as they left, except for some sort of self-validation? The extra gold for posting? I don't know, I'm not going to try and guess. Just saying that it ain't always so, even if you're under the impression that it is, and while differing opinions make the world go 'round, it can be done without utterly dismissing another person's line of reasoning in order to make your own look more logical and thought-out.

Those sort of knee-jerk reactions are a big part of the reason why most Harmonians, Sparrabethers, and Zutara fans are seen as a little 'off' in the larger parts of their respective fandom communites.

That's MY point.

I didn't realize they were going to post and then never come back. I didn't intend to shoot any arrow in their back, I was attempting to engage in a discussion.

The thing is, that for one, Zutara fans were the one's pulling the "Katara and Aang are like family" card in that pairing war. Where as Kataangers never did.

Fair enough. And what a discussion it's been. I'm genuinely glad we've been able to talk like adults about this without someone coming in and getting their knickers in a twist over me not agreeing. Aside from that little darling Harpsiccord. I think I may pinch her cheeks, she's so adorable.

And....yeah, that wasn't my point, either. The reason for liking or disliking the pairing isn't what I'm referring to. It's that knee-jerk reaction of "Yeah, well, you don't like it because you clearly haven't thought about it IN DEPTH like we have!" It's less the details and more the general attitude shown, see what I mean?

The reasons differ greatly but all three seem to have the same reputation. And it sort of sucks, because I know there have to be fans of those pairings who don't take it so freaking seriously. Fandom's supposed to be fun, after all.

Agreed, agreed. I may have jumped the gun a bit on that one, this is true. But it is something that I see a lot as a NaruSaku (Naruto) fan and as a Kataang shipper. So very, very rarely do people pull the "family" card with justifiable reasons. And to pull it and then run is just annoying.

As far as Harmony is actually concerned, I know Harry said Hermione was like a sister to him, but in my own interpretation, it didn't feel that way. Best friends, yes (I never shipped Harmony for canon), but family? No. I dont think friendships can ever really replicate the experience of growing up in the same house as someone. But hell, I'm the oldest of 4. I have too much family if you ask me.

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I really don't care much for this pairing, since it always seemed obvious that Ron and Hermione were going to end up together, and Harry and Hermione always acted so much like brother and sister with each other.

I really, really, REALLY hate it when people try to claim that 2 unrelated characters are like siblings. Unless the characters or narration specifically describe them that way, I dont think it's a fair comparison. It's a cheap way to write off that pairing as "impossible" without any actual thought.

Um, in the last book, Harry tells Ron he always loved Hermione as a sister. How much more specific were you looking for?

Um, ever thought he was LYING to make Ron come back? He knew Ron loved her, so maybe he lied because he felt Hermione was in love with Ron and he wanted her to be happy, becausen he was in love with her? That's could be me reading too much into it though...

Thank you for being a mature deabter though

Also a fair point. I'd have to go back and reread that section of the book to see if we had any of Harry's personal thoughts on the matter while he said that. I dont remember him actually validating that statement internally though. It very well could have been a lie. He's lied to Ron for his and hermione's benefit before.

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theguiltyone

I really don't care much for this pairing, since it always seemed obvious that Ron and Hermione were going to end up together, and Harry and Hermione always acted so much like brother and sister with each other.

I really, really, REALLY hate it when people try to claim that 2 unrelated characters are like siblings. Unless the characters or narration specifically describe them that way, I dont think it's a fair comparison. It's a cheap way to write off that pairing as "impossible" without any actual thought.

Um, in the last book, Harry tells Ron he always loved Hermione as a sister. How much more specific were you looking for?

Um, ever thought he was LYING to make Ron come back? He knew Ron loved her, so maybe he lied because he felt Hermione was in love with Ron and he wanted her to be happy, becausen he was in love with her? That's could be me reading too much into it though...

Thank you for being a mature deabter though

That's true, Harry's got issues with being honest, even with the people who are supposedly his best friends. Something that always irked me about him.

He could have been, I suppose. But as there was no reflection in his mind in the narration that he WAS lying, as there usually is whenever he goes that route, I assumed he was being honest. Then again, I assumed him being obsessed with Malfoy in book six was due to all the unresolved sexual tension between the two finally coming to the surface, so really everything is up to the reader in question, heheh!

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I didn't ask if you liked canon or not. What does that have to do with it?

Everyone has their reasons for seeing relations between the characters in the books the way they choose to. If a person sees that the behavior between Harry and Hermione is romantic, then that's their viewpoint. If they see it as behavior befitting a brother and sister, then that's also a viewpoint, and one that happens to be backed by canon.

It doesn't mean that one opinion is worth more than the other, or that one is 'ridiculous' for having correctly assumed the author's intent for the two, and having seen hints for it long before then. If you didn't see it until that line about Harry thinking of her as a sister smacked you in the nose in the last book, you obviously thought differently, and judging by this thread you WISH differently as well. Nothing wrong with that.

But to claim that others who DID see it coming are 'ridiculous' or are looking for a 'cheap way out' of liking a pairing that really only exists in a portion of fanon anyway is a little harsh. Especially when the first post of this topic says to say why you don't like the pairing in the first place.

I'm...really not a Harmony fan. I just like it more than Harry/Ginny.

My point was that nine times out of ten, when someone runs into a pairing thread screaming that "It could never happen cuz they're like family!111!" it's an unsupported, lazy rebuttal.
Especially when this thread openly admits that their pairing is, and always will remain, fanon.

Those statistics seem a little stretched, is all I'm saying. I know that whenever I claim that as my reason for not seeing a relationship between two characters, it is because there is actual interaction between them, or else a very strong vibe that i personally feel, that leans me that direction. I have yet to see anyone say that that didn't actually mean or think that, personally, and so what if there's nothing to support it? There's nothing to support this, either.

Also, the person didn't come running in screaming, from what I saw. They did what the thread asked, then left. There was little reason to shoot a 'your opinion is unfounded and ridiculous' arrow in their back as they left, except for some sort of self-validation? The extra gold for posting? I don't know, I'm not going to try and guess. Just saying that it ain't always so, even if you're under the impression that it is, and while differing opinions make the world go 'round, it can be done without utterly dismissing another person's line of reasoning in order to make your own look more logical and thought-out.

Those sort of knee-jerk reactions are a big part of the reason why most Harmonians, Sparrabethers, and Zutara fans are seen as a little 'off' in the larger parts of their respective fandom communites.

That's MY point.

I didn't realize they were going to post and then never come back. I didn't intend to shoot any arrow in their back, I was attempting to engage in a discussion.

The thing is, that for one, Zutara fans were the one's pulling the "Katara and Aang are like family" card in that pairing war. Where as Kataangers never did.

Fair enough. And what a discussion it's been. I'm genuinely glad we've been able to talk like adults about this without someone coming in and getting their knickers in a twist over me not agreeing. Aside from that little darling Harpsiccord. I think I may pinch her cheeks, she's so adorable.

And....yeah, that wasn't my point, either. The reason for liking or disliking the pairing isn't what I'm referring to. It's that knee-jerk reaction of "Yeah, well, you don't like it because you clearly haven't thought about it IN DEPTH like we have!" It's less the details and more the general attitude shown, see what I mean?

The reasons differ greatly but all three seem to have the same reputation. And it sort of sucks, because I know there have to be fans of those pairings who don't take it so freaking seriously. Fandom's supposed to be fun, after all.

Agreed, agreed. I may have jumped the gun a bit on that one, this is true. But it is something that I see a lot as a NaruSaku (Naruto) fan and as a Kataang shipper. So very, very rarely do people pull the "family" card with justifiable reasons. And to pull it and then run is just annoying.

As far as Harmony is actually concerned, I know Harry said Hermione was like a sister to him, but in my own interpretation, it didn't feel that way. Best friends, yes (I never shipped Harmony for canon), but family? No. I dont think friendships can ever really replicate the experience of growing up in the same house as someone. But hell, I'm the oldest of 4. I have too much family if you ask me.

Eh. My friends are more like actual family to me than my biological family will ever be, and I had the dubious pleasure of growing up with most of my biological family. So I know what it's like to reach out like that to other people and feel that strongly for them, which is why I believe it is possible. It's true, in my own personal experience.

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Those statistics seem a little stretched, is all I'm saying. I know that whenever I claim that as my reason for not seeing a relationship between two characters, it is because there is actual interaction between them, or else a very strong vibe that i personally feel, that leans me that direction. I have yet to see anyone say that that didn't actually mean or think that, personally, and so what if there's nothing to support it? There's nothing to support this, either.

Also, the person didn't come running in screaming, from what I saw. They did what the thread asked, then left. There was little reason to shoot a 'your opinion is unfounded and ridiculous' arrow in their back as they left, except for some sort of self-validation? The extra gold for posting? I don't know, I'm not going to try and guess. Just saying that it ain't always so, even if you're under the impression that it is, and while differing opinions make the world go 'round, it can be done without utterly dismissing another person's line of reasoning in order to make your own look more logical and thought-out.

Those sort of knee-jerk reactions are a big part of the reason why most Harmonians, Sparrabethers, and Zutara fans are seen as a little 'off' in the larger parts of their respective fandom communites.

That's MY point.

I didn't realize they were going to post and then never come back. I didn't intend to shoot any arrow in their back, I was attempting to engage in a discussion.

The thing is, that for one, Zutara fans were the one's pulling the "Katara and Aang are like family" card in that pairing war. Where as Kataangers never did.

Fair enough. And what a discussion it's been. I'm genuinely glad we've been able to talk like adults about this without someone coming in and getting their knickers in a twist over me not agreeing. Aside from that little darling Harpsiccord. I think I may pinch her cheeks, she's so adorable.

And....yeah, that wasn't my point, either. The reason for liking or disliking the pairing isn't what I'm referring to. It's that knee-jerk reaction of "Yeah, well, you don't like it because you clearly haven't thought about it IN DEPTH like we have!" It's less the details and more the general attitude shown, see what I mean?

The reasons differ greatly but all three seem to have the same reputation. And it sort of sucks, because I know there have to be fans of those pairings who don't take it so freaking seriously. Fandom's supposed to be fun, after all.

Agreed, agreed. I may have jumped the gun a bit on that one, this is true. But it is something that I see a lot as a NaruSaku (Naruto) fan and as a Kataang shipper. So very, very rarely do people pull the "family" card with justifiable reasons. And to pull it and then run is just annoying.

As far as Harmony is actually concerned, I know Harry said Hermione was like a sister to him, but in my own interpretation, it didn't feel that way. Best friends, yes (I never shipped Harmony for canon), but family? No. I dont think friendships can ever really replicate the experience of growing up in the same house as someone. But hell, I'm the oldest of 4. I have too much family if you ask me.

Eh. My friends are more like actual family to me than my biological family will ever be, and I had the dubious pleasure of growing up with most of my biological family. So I know what it's like to reach out like that to other people and feel that strongly for them, which is why I believe it is possible. It's true, in my own personal experience.

I think people use "like family" in weird ways a lot of the time. I think it's fairly common to feel on better terms with out friends than our families on a day to day basis. But there's always a different kind of bond there. That bond makes us closer, and much more antagonistic as well.

I think it's a bit silly for Harry to call Hermione like a sister. He never had a sister. All he had was Dudley, who is a rather piss poor example of a good family relationship. He's operating from ignorance calling Hermione a sister, really.

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Those statistics seem a little stretched, is all I'm saying. I know that whenever I claim that as my reason for not seeing a relationship between two characters, it is because there is actual interaction between them, or else a very strong vibe that i personally feel, that leans me that direction. I have yet to see anyone say that that didn't actually mean or think that, personally, and so what if there's nothing to support it? There's nothing to support this, either.

Also, the person didn't come running in screaming, from what I saw. They did what the thread asked, then left. There was little reason to shoot a 'your opinion is unfounded and ridiculous' arrow in their back as they left, except for some sort of self-validation? The extra gold for posting? I don't know, I'm not going to try and guess. Just saying that it ain't always so, even if you're under the impression that it is, and while differing opinions make the world go 'round, it can be done without utterly dismissing another person's line of reasoning in order to make your own look more logical and thought-out.

Those sort of knee-jerk reactions are a big part of the reason why most Harmonians, Sparrabethers, and Zutara fans are seen as a little 'off' in the larger parts of their respective fandom communites.

That's MY point.

I didn't realize they were going to post and then never come back. I didn't intend to shoot any arrow in their back, I was attempting to engage in a discussion.

The thing is, that for one, Zutara fans were the one's pulling the "Katara and Aang are like family" card in that pairing war. Where as Kataangers never did.

Fair enough. And what a discussion it's been. I'm genuinely glad we've been able to talk like adults about this without someone coming in and getting their knickers in a twist over me not agreeing. Aside from that little darling Harpsiccord. I think I may pinch her cheeks, she's so adorable.

And....yeah, that wasn't my point, either. The reason for liking or disliking the pairing isn't what I'm referring to. It's that knee-jerk reaction of "Yeah, well, you don't like it because you clearly haven't thought about it IN DEPTH like we have!" It's less the details and more the general attitude shown, see what I mean?

The reasons differ greatly but all three seem to have the same reputation. And it sort of sucks, because I know there have to be fans of those pairings who don't take it so freaking seriously. Fandom's supposed to be fun, after all.

Agreed, agreed. I may have jumped the gun a bit on that one, this is true. But it is something that I see a lot as a NaruSaku (Naruto) fan and as a Kataang shipper. So very, very rarely do people pull the "family" card with justifiable reasons. And to pull it and then run is just annoying.

As far as Harmony is actually concerned, I know Harry said Hermione was like a sister to him, but in my own interpretation, it didn't feel that way. Best friends, yes (I never shipped Harmony for canon), but family? No. I dont think friendships can ever really replicate the experience of growing up in the same house as someone. But hell, I'm the oldest of 4. I have too much family if you ask me.

Eh. My friends are more like actual family to me than my biological family will ever be, and I had the dubious pleasure of growing up with most of my biological family. So I know what it's like to reach out like that to other people and feel that strongly for them, which is why I believe it is possible. It's true, in my own personal experience.

I think people use "like family" in weird ways a lot of the time. I think it's fairly common to feel on better terms with out friends than our families on a day to day basis. But there's always a different kind of bond there. That bond makes us closer, and much more antagonistic as well.

I think it's a bit silly for Harry to call Hermione like a sister. He never had a sister. All he had was Dudley, who is a rather piss poor example of a good family relationship. He's operating from ignorance calling Hermione a sister, really.

Yeah, sometimes that is the case. However, being in a genuinely terrible family environment, I empathize at least with that much of Harry's predicament. If he's operating from ignorance, well then so am I. And I love my notreallysiblings as though they WERE siblings anyway. So what if it's not conventional family bonds? Love is defined differently by everyone.

By Harry too, apparently.