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"The agnostics"... The way you said that makes me think you don't actually know what agnostic individuals at your school think about the situation. I'm agnostic, and being such I don't care whether or not we say God in the pledge, because I am agnostic. It's fine with me either way. That's what being agnostic is all about.

Religion isn't forced on anyone. If you choose to view it that way, you need to go somewhere that actually does force people to believe something. Maybe then you'll understand the difference, and stop bitching about things that aren't really an issue. Religion isn't polluting anyone's minds. In my experience, religious folks tend to be better PEOPLE than atheists that force THEIR views on the rest of society.

And people can wear crosses if they want to. We are a free country. But then again, you probably aren't a big fan of freedom if you refuse to pledge your allegiance to this great nation. You make me sick.
If people didn't care about the state of the US, the ACLU wouldn't exist.

When I graduate, I plan to go and join them and hopefully help assess cases like the one about the teacher having his Bible in plain view at school on his desk. That is now allowed, it is unconstitutional.

I am trying to get people to WAKE UP and stop being SHEEP.

OMG A BIBLE OH NOES gonk

its not like he's ******** reading it in class and saying its the truth or w/e he's just a god damn religious man who like to have the book of the religion that gives him hope close to him. stop being an idiot
The desk is public property.

The bible is set there in plain view, advertising his religion.

It should be removed.
castle of sars
A Walking Abortion
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A Walking Abortion
Only I and my best friend showed up. I don't understand, we handed out pamphlets and stuff and yet no one came. We worked so hard...

It was for our atheist club at school. There are a few people, and I am the leader. My friend is what you'd call a "co-pilot" and whatnot.

But I am sick of having to deal with the Pledge of Allegiance at my school. We may not be forced to stand, but if it mentions God it is not right. What about us atheists or even the agnostics? We were trying to have it taken out of the morning routine but no one even cared to listen...

It also explains how people wearing things such as crosses and whatnot are also wrong. exclaim

This is how the US will fall.

Discuss
People not listening to what is right


So, people aren't allowed to express themselves now? confused
There is a difference between expressing yourself and religion being forced on people.

You'll offend someone, and that is what we should avoid.

"So if you believe something that might offend someone, you shouldn't be allowed to express it" is what you're now saying. You realize that completely defeats the purpose of self-expression, right? If you don't like something, ignore it. Because there is no possible way to please everyone at once.
Then you may as well allow Westborough to go and terrorize families, since it is self expression.

are you ******** retarded
theres a big difference between illegal violence and being allowed freedom of religion dumb s**t
Westborough is not doing bodily harm, they are just holding signs.

Signs with slander.
You put too much effort in insignificant things.
lol, holy s**t. you're a dumbass.
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If you don't want to say the pledge then don't ******** say it.
Wow how hard is that?
A Walking Abortion
Ronin Shinigami Zaraki
A Walking Abortion
Only I and my best friend showed up. I don't understand, we handed out pamphlets and stuff and yet no one came. We worked so hard...

It was for our atheist club at school. There are a few people, and I am the leader. My friend is what you'd call a "co-pilot" and whatnot.

But I am sick of having to deal with the Pledge of Allegiance at my school. We may not be forced to stand, but if it mentions God it is not right. What about us atheists or even the agnostics? We were trying to have it taken out of the morning routine but no one even cared to listen...

It also explains how people wearing things such as crosses and whatnot are also wrong.

This is how the US will fall.

Discuss
People not listening to what is right

edit:

There was a dance event, and it would catch more people's attention. Since parents were also there, it was supposed to spread awareness. it's not like I can go and protest while I am at school, and after school on the weekdays not many would be there.

So this event was our chance.



Your ignorance is disturbing."Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.".So you know what that is?It is the first amendment that protects my rights as a Believer to wear my crosses and pledge allegiance under God Almighty.It also protects your right as an atheist to not have to go to church, if you so choose, now granted this country has problems, but so does every country.Your futile attempts to get people to stop wearing crosses will never work.Also for your little atheist club, here is a fun fact,Over 4/5's of scientists believe in a higher power.Also next time you make a topic, how about you show what little intelligence you have.
See what you cited?

Saying the pledge is against it.

God.

no it doesn't idiot
"congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"
saying under god in the pledge doesn't respect any establishment of religion, it doesn't say "under the pope" or "under buddah" it says "under god" which is in respect to no specific religion
You were the only one there becuase its sunday....

and whats wrong with people wearing crosses? Nobody tells you that you can't wear whatever it is that you wear.


you need God in your life....
lol,
"Trolls Will Be Trolls"
A Walking Abortion
TrixareforRabbits
You don't even HAVE to say the pledge. neutral
But it is forcing people to hear the mention of a God if it's a public school.

Religious schools are private, but they shouldn't exist anyway.


They are public in the UK and some of the top schools are religious ones, mine was religious, it was CofE and I'm now a buddhist, we also had muslims and hindus there.
They are usually really good becasue they get church funding and govt funding.
A Walking Abortion
Your Current Reality
A Walking Abortion
Your Current Reality

So, people aren't allowed to express themselves now? confused
There is a difference between expressing yourself and religion being forced on people.

You'll offend someone, and that is what we should avoid.

"So if you believe something that might offend someone, you shouldn't be allowed to express it" is what you're now saying. You realize that completely defeats the purpose of self-expression, right? If you don't like something, ignore it. Because there is no possible way to please everyone at once.
Then you may as well allow Westborough to go and terrorize families, since it is self expression.

There is a difference between expressing your beliefs and harming others, you know? Wearing a cross or other religious symbol isn't hurting anyone. That some people are so insecure in their beliefs that seeing those things deeply disturbs them is nobody's problem but their own. confused
You had better be a troll. neutral Just deal with it.
A Walking Abortion
Ronin Shinigami Zaraki
A Walking Abortion
Only I and my best friend showed up. I don't understand, we handed out pamphlets and stuff and yet no one came. We worked so hard...

It was for our atheist club at school. There are a few people, and I am the leader. My friend is what you'd call a "co-pilot" and whatnot.

But I am sick of having to deal with the Pledge of Allegiance at my school. We may not be forced to stand, but if it mentions God it is not right. What about us atheists or even the agnostics? We were trying to have it taken out of the morning routine but no one even cared to listen...

It also explains how people wearing things such as crosses and whatnot are also wrong.

This is how the US will fall.

Discuss
People not listening to what is right

edit:

There was a dance event, and it would catch more people's attention. Since parents were also there, it was supposed to spread awareness. it's not like I can go and protest while I am at school, and after school on the weekdays not many would be there.

So this event was our chance.



Your ignorance is disturbing."Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.".So you know what that is?It is the first amendment that protects my rights as a Believer to wear my crosses and pledge allegiance under God Almighty.It also protects your right as an atheist to not have to go to church, if you so choose, now granted this country has problems, but so does every country.Your futile attempts to get people to stop wearing crosses will never work.Also for your little atheist club, here is a fun fact,Over 4/5's of scientists believe in a higher power.Also next time you make a topic, how about you show what little intelligence you have.
See what you cited?

Saying the pledge is against it.

God.


Learn what it means, please.The first amendment says, that you may or may not choose to say it or not, that you may or may not choose to be religious, what it means by that, is that in the pledge you do not have to say but they will not prohibit it from being there.Now you are just flailing in the water knowing you are drowning and trying to bring others down with you by twisting words and being sadistic.Do us all a favor, go look down the barrel of a .45 and pull the trigger/

/thread.
The Cocaine Pixie
If you don't want to say the pledge then don't ******** say it.
Wow how hard is that?
This is about forcing the concept of God on people, though.

it's not right.
The Cheshire Veronica
You were the only one there becuase its sunday....

and whats wrong with people wearing crosses? Nobody tells you that you can't wear whatever it is that you wear.


you need God in your life....
-beats with stick of science-

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