Global Warming Has Been Refuted

[Mathematical Trickery]

ForFinancialFreedom

Mathematical Trickery

If we limit our CO2 output, all countries must do the same as well. We all share the same atmosphere. If not, it would give foreign countries an unfair advantage in business practices.

A movement in Gaia is growing...

The funny thing is, a lot of these "world leaders" at Copenhagen right now are behind a lot of Third-World Countries, who not only produce far less resources into the market than those of UK and US, but claim that it's all the advanced countries' faults for producing.

... the power of the youth to harness true wealth.

CO2 and methane allotment levels dependent upon population size then?
Not just the burning of fuels, but food as well, such as Sweden.

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Some of the proposed new dietary guidelines, released over the summer, may seem surprising for some, reports the New York Times. As an example, they recommend that Swedes favor carrots over cucumbers and tomatoes, for example, because the latter two must be grown in heated greenhouses, which consume energy, and are advised to substitute beans or chicken for red meat, due to the heavy greenhouse gas emissions associated with raising cattle, according to the newspaper.

Complicating matters, the emissions impact of a particular food item can vary depending on how and where it is grown, including the type of soil used to grow the food and whether a dairy farmer uses local or imported feed for cattle, reports the New York Times.
Some producers opposed to the labels say the new programs are too complex and threaten profits, and the dietary recommendations, which are being circulated for comment across the European Union, have been attacked by many food producers and groups including Europe’s meat industry, Norwegian salmon farmers and Malaysian palm oil growers, reports the New York Times.

general source
The official PDF

[Darkphantom]

ForFinancialFreedom

How about we place aside the vast amount of information you present in your argument.

How about we stop calling each other names?

Let's discuss the solution. Let me tell you right now that I am a conservative. I am a patriot, and I pay quite a bit of attention to what is going on and what evidence pertains to the means of which the Left is proposing in Cap and Trade.

Let's say for a fraction of time here, that I agreed wholeheartedly with you, that Global Warming is very real, we should all "pitch in" and "save the Earth", and the rest of Al Gore's suggestions. Ironically enough, you like to debate Global Warming more than Al Gore, himself.

How do you propose that we pitch in? If you had the ultimate say in what the United States does, give me a small list of what you would do, what policies you would enact. I'm eager to see what you have in mind.

Very well fine I apologise for lashing out at all conservatives I know it's a certain... subsection.

Science largely just tells you about a problem. I can give you my personal opinions on things I believe could assist however there impact isn't as rationally objective as the science is that says it's happening.

It's not just the US that really needs to be in on this many other countries such as china are bigger problems
Each country needs to have it's own specialised plan on howto control and regulate it's CO2 emissions if reduction is a serious goal.

Most CO2 emissions are produced through electricity production And this is because the US uses a substantial amount of Coal power plants. as unpopular as it might be I do support the increased construction of nuclear plants or infact replacing the coal plants ANYTHING ELSE but coal plants meaning gas, or *sigh*... to some extent oil.

Ultimately however I can only see so much begin done at the supply end how do you reduce the demand?
I'm a big supporter of is the idea of localised electrical production even with AC power a substantial amount of the energy produced from power plants is lost in transit through wire resistance, The US has a fiddly law system. I'd like to see countrywide legislation brought in that allows for the selling of power back into the national grid I believe it varies state by state currently. in addition tax exemption for certain energy saving/energy producing technologies. I'd ideally like to see a situation where it's viable for the average home to afford either a personal wind generator or Photovoltaic cell depending on your region.

[Mathematical Trickery]

Cars? Hell, food causes more of a greenhouse effect.

Quote:

Rearing cattle produces more greenhouse gases than driving cars, UN report warns


29 November 2006 – Cattle-rearing generates more global warming greenhouse gases, as measured in CO2 equivalent, than transportation, and smarter production methods, including improved animal diets to reduce enteric fermentation and consequent methane emissions, are urgently needed, according to a new United Nations report released today.
“Livestock are one of the most significant contributors to today’s most serious environmental problems,” senior UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) official Henning Steinfeld said. “Urgent action is required to remedy the situation.”

Cattle-rearing is also a major source of land and water degradation, according to the FAO report, Livestock’s Long Shadow–Environmental Issues and Options, of which Mr. Steinfeld is the senior author.

“The environmental costs per unit of livestock production must be cut by one half, just to avoid the level of damage worsening beyond its present level,” it warns.

When emissions from land use and land use change are included, the livestock sector accounts for 9 per cent of CO2 deriving from human-related activities, but produces a much larger share of even more harmful greenhouse gases. It generates 65 per cent of human-related nitrous oxide, which has 296 times the Global Warming Potential (GWP) of CO2. Most of this comes from manure.

And it accounts for respectively 37 per cent of all human-induced methane (23 times as warming as CO2), which is largely produced by the digestive system of ruminants, and 64 per cent of ammonia, which contributes significantly to acid rain.

With increased prosperity, people are consuming more meat and dairy products every year, the report notes. Global meat production is projected to more than double from 229 million tonnes in 1999/2001 to 465 million tonnes in 2050, while milk output is set to climb from 580 to 1043 million tonnes.

THE ******** UN NEWS CENTER. HOPE YOU LIKE BEAN CURD

[RyanJakobi]

Mathematical Trickery

Cars? Hell, food causes more of a greenhouse effect.

That's why I never trusted beans. 3nodding

[The-G-Campaign]

Darkphantom

ForFinancialFreedom

How about we place aside the vast amount of information you present in your argument.

How about we stop calling each other names?

Let's discuss the solution. Let me tell you right now that I am a conservative. I am a patriot, and I pay quite a bit of attention to what is going on and what evidence pertains to the means of which the Left is proposing in Cap and Trade.

Let's say for a fraction of time here, that I agreed wholeheartedly with you, that Global Warming is very real, we should all "pitch in" and "save the Earth", and the rest of Al Gore's suggestions. Ironically enough, you like to debate Global Warming more than Al Gore, himself.

How do you propose that we pitch in? If you had the ultimate say in what the United States does, give me a small list of what you would do, what policies you would enact. I'm eager to see what you have in mind.

Very well fine I apologise for lashing out at all conservatives I know it's a certain... subsection.

Science largely just tells you about a problem. I can give you my personal opinions on things I believe could assist however there impact isn't as rationally objective as the science is that says it's happening.

It's not just the US that really needs to be in on this many other countries such as china are bigger problems
Each country needs to have it's own specialised plan on howto control and regulate it's CO2 emissions if reduction is a serious goal.

Most CO2 emissions are produced through electricity production And this is because the US uses a substantial amount of Coal power plants. as unpopular as it might be I do support the increased construction of nuclear plants or infact replacing the coal plants ANYTHING ELSE but coal plants meaning gas, or *sigh*... to some extent oil.

Ultimately however I can only see so much begin done at the supply end how do you reduce the demand?
I'm a big supporter of is the idea of localised electrical production even with AC power a substantial amount of the energy produced from power plants is lost in transit through wire resistance, The US has a fiddly law system. I'd like to see countrywide legislation brought in that allows for the selling of power back into the national grid I believe it varies state by state currently. in addition tax exemption for certain energy saving/energy producing technologies. I'd ideally like to see a situation where it's viable for the average home to afford either a personal wind generator or Photovoltaic cell depending on your region.

A movement in Gaia is growing...

Can you recall the Stimulus Bill's goal?
Originally, at least I thought, it was to create temporary jobs and boost the research and development of these technologies. Unfortunately, special interest groups practically stole the Bill, which became what many of us consider to be a "blank check". If you wish to find the sources, I encourage it.

Your ideas are great and in fact I like them. We have a nuclear power plant in our region. However, we need a fuel for it, correct?

Here's my horribly nonsensical and outlandish proposal for the United States.
-Create real jobs(States and localities)
-Stop increased spending(Federal)
-Fix the educational system(Federal/State)
-Push Research and Development on renewable energy sources(More Private/Less Public Sectors)
-Promote responsible debt-free lifestyles(States and localities)
-Let the Government focus on what the Government should do- pass and enforce laws that the educated public seek, not special interest groups or international entities.

About the treaty of Copenhagen: There is no need for such a Treaty. There is dire need for reform within all nations individually. If a country fails to achieve stability, it shouldn't be any other country's fault. If we fail to help ourselves, how in the hell can we help anyone else?

... the power of the youth to harness true wealth.

[Hanasaur]

Point upwards (at the Candians) and point out the fact that despite it's December 8th, our (Ontario's) first snowfall will be taking place tomorrow (If the weather man was correct). And all over Canada, there has only been one snowfall thus far.

Ordinarily, we'd be knee deep in cold and complaining about shoveling by around Late October, beginning of November. Although it continues to be delayed to the point of December.

Hope we have a white Christmas (:

[pockybot]

ForFinancialFreedom

The funny thing is, a lot of these "world leaders" at Copenhagen right now are behind a lot of Third-World Countries, who not only produce far less resources into the market than those of UK and US, but claim that it's all the advanced countries' faults for producing.

Absolutely. Some of the alleged wording on the treaty is a bit worrisome as well.

It almost makes one think BOTH sides of the global warming/climate change debate are being controlled and paid for by the elite to obfuscate the matter, and to distract people from corporations from their same ol-same ol pollution and environmental harm

ForFinancialFreedom

A movement in Gaia is growing...

Ladies and Gentlemen, meet Lord Monckton.

I wonder if anyone has questioned why most scientific data surrounding Global Warming as an immediate threat are said to be from Left-supporters, and the scientific data surrounding its antithesis tend to be considered Right-supporters?

... the power of the youth to harness true wealth.

Yeah I saw part of "Lord Monckton"'s speech, funny how he goes on about the same right wing paranoid gobbledygook like a "hidden commie agenda spreading" and "liberal propaganda".

[pockybot]

Mathematical Trickery

Cars? Hell, food causes more of a greenhouse effect.

Quote:

Rearing cattle produces more greenhouse gases than driving cars, UN report warns


29 November 2006 – Cattle-rearing generates more global warming greenhouse gases, as measured in CO2 equivalent, than transportation, and smarter production methods, including improved animal diets to reduce enteric fermentation and consequent methane emissions, are urgently needed, according to a new United Nations report released today.
“Livestock are one of the most significant contributors to today’s most serious environmental problems,” senior UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) official Henning Steinfeld said. “Urgent action is required to remedy the situation.”

Cattle-rearing is also a major source of land and water degradation, according to the FAO report, Livestock’s Long Shadow–Environmental Issues and Options, of which Mr. Steinfeld is the senior author.

“The environmental costs per unit of livestock production must be cut by one half, just to avoid the level of damage worsening beyond its present level,” it warns.

When emissions from land use and land use change are included, the livestock sector accounts for 9 per cent of CO2 deriving from human-related activities, but produces a much larger share of even more harmful greenhouse gases. It generates 65 per cent of human-related nitrous oxide, which has 296 times the Global Warming Potential (GWP) of CO2. Most of this comes from manure.

And it accounts for respectively 37 per cent of all human-induced methane (23 times as warming as CO2), which is largely produced by the digestive system of ruminants, and 64 per cent of ammonia, which contributes significantly to acid rain.

With increased prosperity, people are consuming more meat and dairy products every year, the report notes. Global meat production is projected to more than double from 229 million tonnes in 1999/2001 to 465 million tonnes in 2050, while milk output is set to climb from 580 to 1043 million tonnes.

THE ******** UN NEWS CENTER. HOPE YOU LIKE BEAN CURD

One of a billion reasons why I'm a vegetarian, and hope a virus wipes out the entire meat livestock population and industry in America, as it temporarily did in the UK and Egypt at one time.

[The-G-Campaign]

A movement in Gaia is growing...

Here is something funny to offset the air of war in this debate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBzR0-j0O0o

... the power of the youth to harness true wealth.

[Mathematical Trickery]

ForFinancialFreedom

A movement in Gaia is growing...

Here is something funny to offset the air of war in this debate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBzR0-j0O0o

... the power of the youth to harness true wealth.

Holy s**t, epic.