Everything You Didn't Know About Meat

[arcky]

-0Damarus0-

Doesn't avoid the fact that a steak tastes better than a boiled egg.

I couldn't live without my steaks...

I like good food.. and im not a slave to it making my food rule my life. if its tasty, ill eat it.

******** what it does to my body (I drink and smoke anyway so not like i give a s**t)

Cool, eat it. I am actually trying to get over some phobias and eat meat after 7 years. But honestly, the excuse "its too expensive and difficult" is a bit too lame for me to ignore.

[Lady Shortlegs]

I'm not 100% vegetarian,
but I very rarely eat meat.

[Atreides Zero]

Most of that corn feed to cattle isn't fit for human consumption due to the degree of genetic modification.

As for the rest it's nothing new to me and not going to change the way I eat.

[C00K13 D0UGH QU33N]

I can't stop eating meat. It's too tasty. Om nom nom!

[maxi-san]

Your body has what it takes to process meat, animals are part of a food chain, go out and tell the foxes to stop eating the rabbits. You have no source, you phail.

[For The Overmind]

arcky

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arcky

pinkie13ducky

Vegetarian food costs more, and is hard to make.
Also, soy beans aren't that great for you. Proof

Seriously? It is called a salad. You take the plant and you put a dressing on it. If you don't have the dressing, you could still consider it a salad.

Eggs? The first thing I learned to cook myself.
Pasta? Boil, drain, put a sauce on it
Stirfry? Oil and veg

Veggie cooking is as easy and meat cooking.

Have you bought food for yourself before? Cheese, meat and milk are costly. It is cheaper to buy a carton of eggs (which will last you 3-12 meals ideally) than a steak which you will consume in 1-2 meals. Veggie fake meats can be costly, but not more than real meat (cuts of steak, pork etc.)

Soy, good in moderation and unprocessed.

Sometimes I wonder if you're the kind of person I would nudge off if they were standing on the edge of a tall building... then throw up an innocent act.

Can I ask why? I did spend most of my "gaialife" on the ED, my posting style is probably abrasive at times.

I don't really dislike you personally per se. But it could be how EDers drive me insane with how super cereal they are every moment it seems.

[Mal Conejo]

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Mal Conejo

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Mal Conejo

that fish came from a farm

LOL!

You do know that "fish farms" are used mostly for recreational fishing, right? Not you know.. the guys that go out their for the money and sell tons of fish for a living.

I don't think that there'd be much recreational potential in a huge barrel literally filled to the brim with salmon, like the one half-an-hour from my own home. How many people do you actually know go out and sell tons of fish for a living? I live on the coast of Maine in a lobstering community, and those guys are being hit HARD by the fish market right now. It's barely a living. The fish farms are significantly easier to turn over a profit.

You can go and to research on it if you like. Financially, it's far too impractical to actually use fish farms for food industries. Especially when there's so many fish that can just be out and caught for free. (relative term)

How many people do you know who did it? The difference between us is that I do my research.

Well, first off, I'd like to address your last comment. "The difference between us is that I do my research." I'd just like to point out that up until this point, I was fairly well-versed (research-wise) in my previous points. Given that I've linked source material from government surveys and the like, it's not quite fair to say that I don't do my research. Now, on to your point.

After having done research on this particular point, yes, apparently there ARE fish farms used for recreational purposes, but at the same time there are hatcheries devoted to replenishing the local populations or even just popping the fish straight onto the market. Unfortunately, I was unable to find any statistics that demonstrated an overwhelming majority in one style of fish farming or another, so at this point I'll simply retract my jab at you and replace it with a "well, it seems we're both right."

I'd spend more time researching, but I had to go take care of some things away from my computer for several hours and so have a good number of pages worth of posts to look at and possibly address.

[Mal Conejo]

horrormaster1

Mal Conejo

horrormaster1

I'd rather not be solicitated over the internet, nor put down for eating meat. You need a balanced diet. Humans are called omnivores for a reason.

The "balanced" part of a "balanced diet" refers to nutrient intake. It's not as if your body has a meat quota, merely a protein quota, which is easily obtainable through meat. However, there are simple alternatives, as mentioned in previous posts, if you had cared to read them.

I did ready, but the human body was meant to eat actual meat, not fake stuff like they serve at fast food restaurants, or the genetically modified stuff that most stores serve, but it is meant to eat meat and not just vegetables and such.

If you're hardcore enough to go join your Inuit friends in slaughtering a polar bear or seal and then chomping down on some meat right then and there, I salute you. Unfortunately, the "fake stuff" that they serve at fast food restaurants is indeed real, and genetically modified food is also not necessarily bad for you. GMOs haven't yet been proven detrimental to one's health, and so could still potentially be a fantastic future window for revolutions in food. But, I don't know.

Either way, the only way that you could argue that we're "meant to eat meat and not just vegetables and such" would be the presence of our incisors. However, if you look at nature, it's FULL of vestigial structures that don't help the organism at all. Whales, for example, have small vestigial leg bones. Clearly they're meant to walk on land, not just swim and such. You could also look to humans for even MORE vestigial structures. I doubt you know what this is off the top of your head, but Wikipedia could help you out if my simplified explanation doesn't; humans have something called a vermiform appendix, which is a vestige of an organ that would have been used to process cellulose (tough plant fiber) by our herbivorous ancestors. Yes, at some point in time we had herbivorous ancestors.

[Mal Conejo]

serene delusions

As noble a thought that this thread is, not everyone can become vegetarians. There are certain nutrients that many people have difficulty absorbing from alternate sources, including iron, calcium and B12.

Some of the information you've provided is rather misleading. One thing in particular is that cholesterol levels are not controls solely by your intake, but also by your genetics and activity level. Lazy vegetarians with bad genes can have cholesterol as high or higher than a meat eater, placing them at just a high a risk for heart disease.

A person's life isn't going to be magically better if they stop eating meat. The environment isn't going to bounce back simply because there are a few less cows. Where are all those cows even going to go if they're not eaten? They'd still have to be killed and used for something. Can't just leave them there, because that solves nothing.

To begin, no, not everyone can become vegetarians. As has been mentioned earlier, even just cutting back on red meat consumption can be of assistance to the environment, general welfare, et cetera. Regarding iron, calcium, and B12, if nothing else there are vitamin supplements. If they have difficulty absorbing them from the myriad non-meat sources, I can't imagine anything short of a concentrated supplement helping them out.

Granted, cholesterol DOES have a highly genetic component. However, for the vast majority of us, it IS related to intake and exercise. Cholesterol was by no means the focus of any of my arguments, so I do apologize for simply skimming over it.

Amusingly, there have been several studies showing that people that are vegetarian wind up with some amusing benefits, such as "tasting better." ;-3 Yooooou know what we mean. That's generally just because vegetarians end up eating more fruit and vegetables, which construe natural sugars that sweeten such liquids. Aaaanyway... you would benefit from looking at the sources that I cited earlier to the fellow with the brownish text book. It would demonstrate to you that, YES, the environment actually WILL have a better time if there are fewer cows. Disregarding the methane, there's the whole pasturing thing that just royally screws the environment. You also operate on the belief that even if we stop eating meat, the cows will continue to be farmed. That doesn't really make sense. Supply/demand economics would imply that, with less demand, supply would have to cut back production in order to remain competitive. It's not as if suddenly there are going to be millions of excess cows, if anything it would be a gradual process.

[Mal Conejo]

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Mal Conejo

-0Damarus0-

Protien. Got from meat.
Essential oils, found in fish.
Calcium, milk.


Theres alot that is needed from animal products.

Im fine with vegetarians. I tried it myself, but i enjoy and require meat as part of a BALANCED diet.
So when people say that its not needed and unhealthy, they just don't know how to get the best out of their food.

Lean meat cooked right is healthier than a burger. Its how you cook it, not the food that makes the difference in quality, taste and nutritional value.

Fry some carrots in butter, salt and then creaming it in full fat for a soup, isnt as healthy as steamed vegetables on their own. So even the healthiest things like beans and carrots can have less nutrition because of the method of cooking. Rather than the ingredients.



Look at potatoes. They can either be baked and eaten with the skins on, or skinned, chopped, and fried in chips.

So vegetarians who shove this crap into peoples faces that vegetables are the only way of being healthy are just stupid. its a balance of all the nutrients which is the healthiest option.

Vegetarians who keep it to themselves, or just simply refuse to eat meat but don't go on a ethical ear rape are fine. people who shove it down others throats with no actual backup are as bad as Christians.

It seems that, A) you're confusing vegans with vegetarians, there's a difference (vegans eat no animal products, vegetarians still eat eggs and milk), and B) that you didn't read my previous posts. "...people who shove it down others throats with no actual backup..." definitely a nail in your own coffin here. I've done nothing but backup my own arguments (and yell at a Christian).

Also, regarding your comments on frying carrots, the nutrition content doesn't somehow magically decrease because you're adding a bunch of fat, it's just that the overall "healthiness" of the meal has been altered. The carrots are still good for you, the other stuff might not be.

If you had read my previous posts (which you clearly didn't), you'd see the myriad ways in which one can maintain a healthy balance of nutrients and keep a steady, healthy diet.

I believe he was very clear, especially talking about consuming lean meats.

Actually, it DOES decrease the nutrients inside things when they're fried. It replaces the stuff inside them with the oil, to really put it simply. YES it does. This is yet another instance of you talking without really knowing what you're talking about

Well, there goes the foot in my mouth. It happens to us all, I suppose. My apologies for forgetting these things when dealing with so many posts. Truly, I am humbled.

Anyway, yes, you're right regarding nutrition. Would you like to go somewhere with this point? You have proven me wrong on an inconsequential point. I applaud you, sir.

Furthermore, I'm not quite sure where I got the impression that he was confusing vegetarianism with veganism. Again, my apologies, but I'm trying to rapidly fire away at a bunch of posts, and I must have gotten them confused. It happens. Woe, woe, woe.

[Mal Conejo]

xmistxofxdeath

Okay, what the hell is being a vegitarian going to do? No matter how many people go vegitarian animals will STILL DIE. Animals were put on this planet to EAT. Do you know how many people DIE from not getting propper protien? My great aunt developed tremors from being a vegan. Not getting the propper food types is terrible for your body. I understand there are tofu but that's not enough. So stop pressuring people into something that isn't going to make a damn difference. Focus on something that's actually important, try animal abuse, and child abuse.

Ahha! HERE'S the post that was confusing vegetarianism and veganism. I knew it was around here somewhere.

Yes, animals will die. No, you haven't read the rest of my posts. Meh.

Your great aunt developed tremors from being VEGAN, which is something I can't recommend given how many vital nutrients you miss out on that way. Yep.

Again, if you read the rest of my posts or could be bothered to look at my source material, you'd see that being vegetarian actually WOULD make a difference.

EDIT: whoops, forgot to throw this in. Yes, animal abuse and child abuse are horrible things. No, they're not relevant to what I'm talking about, sorry. As much as I'd love to fix all of the world's problems in one go, I can only focus on one at a time. I'm awesome, but I'm not that awesome. Hell, I even mix up which post I'm addressing, as evidenced above. <_<;

[-0Damarus0-]

Thats me 3, mal 0

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[Mal Conejo]

-0Damarus0-

Thats me 3, mal 0

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Yoooou just wait, I'm only on page 6/10. XD

[Mal Conejo]

its all about chufi

When I was young I ate a lot of meat,
in meat there are a lot of hurmons.
maybe you understand what im talking about right now.
I just don't eat many meat right now

Normally I wouldn't reply to this kind of post, but I just had to lol when I read your post AND looked at your avatar. I can only infer from your post that you're implying some sort of construed benefit from eating lots of hormones. Although that makes no sense (for the love of all that's holy, if I'm wrong on this let it slide, this is a joke post anyway <_< ), I'm guessing that you're implying a degree of "manliness" that you obtained from eating meat while you were in your developmental stages.

You have a bright pink, fluffy, female avatar.

QED.

[Bendable_Milk]

I am sadden by the ways our food is grown in America. There is not much that we could do. Ask the companies to do favors would probably rise the prices on food for this like hand milk the cows.